On Jul 11, 1:26*am, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:16*pm, Barry wrote:
now this is fascism:The Bush administration built an unprecedented
surveillance operation far beyond the warrantless wiretapping, they
were running a program around the laws that Congress passed, including
a reinterpretation of the Fourth Amendment its mind boggling

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/...c_surveillance

Report: Bush surveillance program was massive


And the wingers have the audacity to call Obama "fascist".....




By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer – 2*mins*ago
WASHINGTON – The Bush administration built an unprecedented
surveillance operation to pull in mountains of information far beyond
the warrantless wiretapping previously acknowledged, a team of federal
inspectors general reported Friday, questioning the legal basis for
the effort but shielding almost all details on grounds they're still
too secret to reveal.
The report, compiled by five inspectors general, refers to
"unprecedented collection activities" by U.S. intelligence agencies
under an executive order signed by President George W. Bush after the
Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.
Just what those activities involved remains classified, but the IGs
pointedly say that any continued use of the secret programs must be
"carefully monitored."
The report says too few relevant officials knew of the size and depth
of the program, let alone signed off on it. They particularly
criticize John Yoo, a deputy assistant attorney general who wrote
legal memos undergirding the policy. His boss, Attorney General John
Ashcroft, was not aware until March 2004 of the exact nature of the
intelligence operations beyond wiretapping that he had been approving
for the previous two and a half years, the report says.
Most of the intelligence leads generated under what was known as the
"President's Surveillance Program" did not have any connection to
terrorism, the report said. But FBI agents told the authors that the
"mere possibility of the leads producing useful information made
investigating the leads worthwhile."
The inspectors general interviewed more than 200 people inside and
outside the government, but five former Bush administration officials
refused to be questioned. They were Ashcroft, Yoo, former CIA Director
George Tenet, former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and David
Addington, an aide to former Vice President Dick Cheney.
According to the report, Addington could personally decide who in the
administration was "read into" — allowed access to — the classified
program.
The only piece of the intelligence-gathering operation acknowledged by
the Bush White House was the wiretapping-without-warrants effort. The
administration admitted in 2005 that it had allowed the National
Security Agency to intercept international communications that passed
through U.S. cables without seeking court orders.
Although the report documents Bush administration policies, its
fallout could be a problem for the Obama administration if it
inherited any or all of the still-classified operations.
Bush brought the warrantless wiretapping program under the authority
of a secret court in 2006, and Congress authorized most of the
intercepts in a 2008 electronic surveillance law. The fate of the
remaining and still classified aspects of the wider surveillance
program is not clear from the report.
The report's revelations came the same day that House Democrats said
that CIA Director Leon Panetta had ordered one eight-year-old
classified program shut down after learning lawmakers had never been
apprised of its existence.
The IG report said that President Bush signed off on both the
warrantless wiretapping and other top-secret operations shortly after
Sept. 11 in a single presidential authorization. All the programs were
periodically reauthorized, but except for the acknowledged
wiretapping, they "remain highly classified."
The report says it's unclear how much valuable intelligence the
program has yielded.
The report, mandated by Congress last year, was delivered to lawmakers
Friday.
Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., told The Associated Press she was shocked
to learn of the existence of other classified programs beyond the
warrantless wiretapping.
Former Bush Attorney General Alberto Gonzales made a terse reference
to other classified programs in an August 2007 letter to Congress. But
Harman said that when she had asked Gonzales two years earlier if the
government was conducting any other undisclosed intelligence
activities, he denied it.
"He looked me in the eye and said 'no,'" she said Friday.
Robert Bork Jr., Gonzales' spokesman, said, "It has clearly been
determined that he did not intend to mislead anyone."
In the wake of the new report, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman
Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt, renewed his call Friday for a formal
nonpartisan inquiry into the government's information-gathering
programs.
Former CIA Director Michael Hayden — the primary architect of the
program_ told the report's authors that the surveillance was
"extremely valuable" in preventing further al-Qaida attacks. Hayden
said the operations amounted to an "early warning system" allowing top
officials to make critical judgments and carefully allocate national
security resources to counter threats.
Information gathered by the secret program played a limited role in
the FBI's overall counterterrorism efforts, according to the report.
Very few CIA analysts even knew about the program and therefore were
unable to fully exploit it in their counterrorism work, the report
said.
The report questioned the legal advice used by Bush to set up the
program, pinpointing omissions and questionable legal memos written by
Yoo, in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel. The Justice
Department withdrew the memos years ago.
The report says Yoo's analysis approving the program ignored a law
designed to restrict the government's authority to conduct electronic
surveillance during wartime, and did so without fully notifying
Congress. And it said flaws in Yoo's memos later presented "a serious
impediment" to recertifying the program.
Yoo insisted that the president's wiretapping program had only to
comply with Fourth Amendment protections against search and seizure —
but the report said Yoo ignored the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Act, which had previously overseen federal national security
surveillance.
"The notion that basically one person at the Justice Department, John
Yoo, and Hayden and the vice president's office were running a program
around the laws that Congress passed, including a reinterpretation of
the Fourth Amendment, is mind boggling," Harman said.
House Democrats are pressing for legislation that would expand
congressional access to secret intelligence briefings, but the White
House has threatened to veto it.

On Jul 11, 10:43*pm, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Jul 11, 8:07*am, 0baMa0 Tse Dung wrote:

On Jul 10, 9:27*pm, "Clave"
wrote:

...drivel like this being an excellent example...

Ja! *HEIL HITLER HerR Liberal Fascist!

*hitler hated liberals, he killed over 6.5 million jews because most
of them are liberal. he
killed communists, socialists, trade unionists, the mentally retarded,
the physical disabled, the unemployed, whom he all considered useless
eaters.
*liberals would not kill for your political and economic beliefs, the
constitution is a liberal document, that grants you those rights.
*liberals would house the retarded, help the disabled, and provide
unemployment benefits for the unemployed. once again you have proven
that propaganda can work on the truly stupid.

Amen to that, and add one mo

If conservatives had had their way, we'd have REAL "taxation without
representation" and still be singing "God Save The King".


John Poet

John Poet wrote:
On Jul 11, 1:26 am, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:16 pm, Barry wrote:
now this is fascism:The Bush administration built an unprecedented
surveillance operation far beyond the warrantless wiretapping, they
were running a program around the laws that Congress passed, including
a reinterpretation of the Fourth Amendment its mind boggling

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/...c_surveillance

Report: Bush surveillance program was massive


And the wingers have the audacity to call Obama "fascist".....


Mr. Obama hasn't stopped any Terrorist Surveillance Program activities.

On Jul 25, 8:14*am, dave wrote:
John Poet wrote:
On Jul 11, 1:26 am, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:16 pm, Barry wrote:
now this is fascism:The Bush administration built an unprecedented
surveillance operation far beyond the warrantless wiretapping, they
were running a program around the laws that Congress passed, including
a reinterpretation of the Fourth Amendment its mind boggling

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/...c_surveillance

Report: Bush surveillance program was massive

And the wingers have the audacity to call Obama "fascist".....

Mr. Obama hasn't stopped any Terrorist Surveillance Program activities.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

....and he is about to increase your taxes to unprecidented levels.
True to his Liberal Fascist faith he supports Communists world-wide
against a legitimate and lawful Democratic Honduras.
HEIL HITLER - get used to it 0baMa0ists.

Palin says Goodbye to Alaska, Hello to National Stage.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=270366

We have some more rain headin this way, out of Texas and Cajunland.
Rain, Rain, Good Rain,,,,,
cuhulin

On Jul 12, 12:14*pm, Poetic Justice wrote:
wrote:
now this is fascism:

"I don't like it, it must be fascism!!" (Or liberalism or socialism).

I'm Damn sure it's *NOT* capitalism!!

Few things are more capitalist than bailing out the banks.

Hudley Pearse

On Jul 13, 7:32*am, wrote:
I Likes Sarah Palin.She is prettier than that what's her name woman who
played the part of Wonder Woman in those old tv series.Also, Sarah Palin
is Very Intelligent too.
I would likes to marry her for the weekends.
cuhulin

You must not have seen a woman in a LOOONG time.

Hudley Pearse

On Jul 25, 9:14*pm, dave wrote:
John Poet wrote:
On Jul 11, 1:26 am, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:16 pm, Barry wrote:
now this is fascism:The Bush administration built an unprecedented
surveillance operation far beyond the warrantless wiretapping, they
were running a program around the laws that Congress passed, including
a reinterpretation of the Fourth Amendment its mind boggling

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/...c_surveillance

Report: Bush surveillance program was massive

And the wingers have the audacity to call Obama "fascist".....

Mr. Obama hasn't stopped any Terrorist Surveillance Program activities.

No future president will give up any of the autocratic powers Bush
amassed. Moreover, Congress, during the Bush years, has proved itself
to be as servile as the People's Consultative Congress of China. Get
used to an autocratic future, folks.

wrote in message
...

...

Few things are more capitalist than bailing out the banks.

You're out to ****ing lunch.

Capitalism is about privately keeping profits.

*Socialism* is the public absorbing their losses.

Jim

wrote:
On Jul 25, 9:14 pm, dave wrote:
John Poet wrote:
On Jul 11, 1:26 am, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:16 pm, Barry wrote:
now this is fascism:The Bush administration built an unprecedented
surveillance operation far beyond the warrantless wiretapping, they
were running a program around the laws that Congress passed, including
a reinterpretation of the Fourth Amendment its mind boggling
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/...c_surveillance
Report: Bush surveillance program was massive
And the wingers have the audacity to call Obama "fascist".....
Mr. Obama hasn't stopped any Terrorist Surveillance Program activities.

No future president will give up any of the autocratic powers Bush
amassed. Moreover, Congress, during the Bush years, has proved itself
to be as servile as the People's Consultative Congress of China. Get
used to an autocratic future, folks.

Future?