On Sep 14, 9:37*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message

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On Sep 14, 7:12 pm, Bob Dobbs wrote: ChrisCoaster wrote:

So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

___________________
Again, you and I are not "average" off-the-air consumers.

I should have clarified my statement "if {{an average Joe/Jane}} *is
using the tones from {{1010 wins}}," *Then synch timepiece to slightly
ahead of the tone from the station.

I should be noted that those of us who are SWL's or AMBCB DX'ers (a form of
nerd) are much more concerned with the "exact" time, whereas the vast
majority of people on Earth find +/- 5 minutes to be quite adequate. Some
even far less than that (folks here figure if they show up to work less than
half an hour late, they're still considered to be "on time")
__________________
Nerds we shortwave listeners or Dxers are not. We should be proud -
damn proud - of our hobby, and the timekeeping possibilities it
presents.

The clock we punch in at work gains 1 minute per month! And it
replaced one - of the same make & model - that used to gain TWO
minutes per month. The same exact make & model, in another department
staffed by the same contractor that I work for, LOSES a minute per
month. LOL!

Wait a minute Brenda - HERE IT IS!! I drop my card into this pile of
gears every freakin day:

http://www.ecptime.on.ca/amanoMJR7000.html

I can't believe I found the sunovabitch on line!! This clock sucks.
No two keep the same time - or the right time, for that matter.


-CC

"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message
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On Sep 14, 9:37 pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message

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On Sep 14, 7:12 pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:

So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

___________________
Again, you and I are not "average" off-the-air consumers.

I should have clarified my statement "if {{an average Joe/Jane}} is
using the tones from {{1010 wins}}," Then synch timepiece to slightly
ahead of the tone from the station.

I should be noted that those of us who are SWL's or AMBCB DX'ers (a form
of
nerd) are much more concerned with the "exact" time, whereas the vast
majority of people on Earth find +/- 5 minutes to be quite adequate. Some
even far less than that (folks here figure if they show up to work less
than
half an hour late, they're still considered to be "on time")
__________________
Nerds we shortwave listeners or Dxers are not. We should be proud -
damn proud - of our hobby, and the timekeeping possibilities it
presents.

The clock we punch in at work gains 1 minute per month! And it
replaced one - of the same make & model - that used to gain TWO
minutes per month. The same exact make & model, in another department
staffed by the same contractor that I work for, LOSES a minute per
month. LOL!

Wait a minute Brenda - HERE IT IS!! I drop my card into this pile of
gears every freakin day:

http://www.ecptime.on.ca/amanoMJR7000.html

I can't believe I found the sunovabitch on line!! This clock sucks.
No two keep the same time - or the right time, for that matter.



You know what? It's strange, in a way, but my personal experience is that
when clocks went from analog to digital, they stopped keeping good time. The
old synchronous motors had more than enough flywheel effect that if the line
frequency DID happen to shift for a moment or two, the clock didn't change
speed with it. Now that everything is running off of a crystal (32.* KHz?)
that is mass produced by the billions and no two are alike, nothing keeps
decent time anymore. Were there ever AC operated digital clocks that simply
got their sync from the line?

ChrisCoaster wrote:

___________________
Again, you and I are not "average" off-the-air consumers.

I should have clarified my statement "if {{an average Joe/Jane}} is
using the tones from {{1010 wins}}," Then synch timepiece to slightly
ahead of the tone from the station.

-CC

Average consumers don't care what time it is that much. The quest for
the exact time is what leads some people to shortwave radio in the first
place. As Dick Nixon told Raoul Duke "**** the doomed."

On Sep 15, 5:35*am, dave wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
___________________
Again, you and I are not "average" off-the-air consumers.

I should have clarified my statement "if {{an average Joe/Jane}} *is
using the tones from {{1010 wins}}," *Then synch timepiece to slightly
ahead of the tone from the station.

-CC

Average consumers don't care what time it is that much. *The quest for
the exact time is what leads some people to shortwave radio in the first
place. *As Dick Nixon told Raoul Duke

-*"**** the doomed."

OK Dave -Then Doomed You Be ! ;-} ~ RHF

If the time clocks where you work, if one is fast and one is slow,,,, do
what Curley (The Three Stooges) did.Wear three wris****ches on your
arm.Way it works is, one watch is fast, one watch is slow, the third
watch doesn't work at all.So, divide the difference between the three
watches and you have the correct time.
cuhulin

Bob Dobbs wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
So pretty much, if one is using the tones from a RELIABLE radio
station, they can count on setting their watch approximately 5-10
seconds ahead(of that station) and probably be very close to WWVB or
WWVH.

Why not make that 'reliable' station WWV to start with?

WWV at 10.000000 MHz has been my station since 1957 and even though the
NBS has changed it's name to NIST, WWV remains untouched. Propagation
delay is on the order of 1000/183,000 miles per second so that leaves
about 5 milliseconds of error here in the sates.
What's the big deal?

Bill Baka

On Sep 15, 7:25*am, wrote:
If the time clocks where you work, if one is fast and one is slow,,,, do
what Curley (The Three Stooges) did.Wear three wris****ches on your
arm.Way it works is, one watch is fast, one watch is slow, the third
watch doesn't work at all.So, divide the difference between the three
watches and you have the correct time.
cuhulin

Punch 'In' on the Slow Time-Clock a Minute Late

Punch 'Out' on the Fast Time-Clock a Minute Early

In article ,
Brenda Ann wrote:

You know what? It's strange, in a way, but my personal experience is that
when clocks went from analog to digital, they stopped keeping good time. The
old synchronous motors had more than enough flywheel effect that if the line
frequency DID happen to shift for a moment or two, the clock didn't change
speed with it. Now that everything is running off of a crystal (32.* KHz?)
that is mass produced by the billions and no two are alike, nothing keeps
decent time anymore. Were there ever AC operated digital clocks that simply
got their sync from the line?

Most of the LED clock chips with an alarm used in clock radios, from
20-30 years or so ago, used power line cycles. They had a 50/60Hz
configuration input. National Semi MM537x and Sanyo LM8500 series,
and probably some others.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

On Sep 15, 4:27*pm, Bill Baka wrote:

What's the big deal?

Bill Baka
_________________
I'm not sure who this question is for, but I'll say the "big deal" is
that the general public doesn't care or feel the need for such an
accurate source of the time of day. At least half the population in
total probably think shortwave was something last used on the
Titanic! Let alone know what band WWVB/H broadcasts on.

-CC

On Sep 16, 7:34*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:


WWVB is a whole different beast from WWV/WWVH. I never had a use for or a
way to tune into WWVB until after I moved out of range.

Actually the only difference between VH and VB is the frequencies VB
is carried on - down where the whales are listening. But it's the
same thing - tick tones and minute and hourly beeps.

-CC