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cuhulin

On Jul 29, 9:59*pm, "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
wrote:
McCain was a natural born citizen because his father
was on active duty.
No. Even though he was not born in the United State, John McCain was
automatically a citizen because both his parents were already citizens
(and met the other requirements like 5 years residency, etc.).

A law was passed in the 1950's extending natural born
citizenship to the children of millitary personel on active duty.
What law? I think I read the relevant parts of the 1952 Immigration
and Nationality Act. I do not remmber it using the words "natural
born citizen" in any of the sections describing when foreign-born
children are automtically considered US citizens. If I missed it in
this law, where was it? Or can you cite another part of the US Code
that confers "natural born citizenship" and distinguishes that from
some other form of citizenship that comes automatcally with birth? I
could only see automatic citizenship and citizenship acquired by
naturalization.

John McCain was born in a U.S.Navy Hospital on a U.S.Navy Base in Panama
Canal Zone, Coco Solo.Both of his parents, Americans.He is a Natural
Born American Citizen.

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cuhulin

Damn cockymaimy book, Lucid Dreaming, is no damn good! I read the book,
it doesn't work! I am going to bed.Move over doggy,,, you want a cookie?
cuhulin

On Jul 30, 8:20*pm, " wrote:
On Jul 29, 9:59*pm, "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
wrote: * * * * * * * * * * *McCain was a natural born citizen because his father
was on active duty.

No. *Even though he was not born in the United State, John McCain was
automatically a citizen because both his parents were already citizens
(and met the other requirements like 5 years residency, etc.).

J Feng,

NO YOU ARE WRONG - John McCain was Born to
American Parents on a US Military Base that was
By-Treaty "US {Sovereign} Territory and thus was
US Soil : Therefore John McCain was By-Law
a "Natural Born" US Citizen.

For John McCain all Three Elements came into play :
1 - Parent Active Duty US Military
2 - Both Parents US Citizens
3 - Born on a US Military Base
{US Territory By-Treaty}
Result : Natural Born US Citizen*
* Note # 3 was the Key Element to John McCain
being considered a "Natural Born" US Citizen
-versus- US Citizen.

FWIW the US Contitutional 'requirement' is "Natural
Born" US Citizen; not simply a US Citizen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article...s_Constitution

~ RHF

On Jul 30, 10:20*am, Mike wrote:
On Jul 30, 10:22*am, wrote:

Some people were born in Airplanes over foreign countries or
international waters.If their parents were Americans, they are natural
born citizens of America.
cuhulin


- So, if Obama's mother was a US citizen,
- why do you keep posting links to sources
- suggesting Obama is not a bona fide US citizen?
- Consistency must not mean much in Mississippi.
-
- Mike
- Louisville, KY

MWB - cause, Cause. CAUSE ! Mister Almost PhD
That is NOT the Legal' {Constitutional} Requirement
TO-BE -or- Not-To-Be the US President : As any High
School Graduate should know --- Counting 1-2-3-...
* Natural Born" US Citzen is the Correct Answer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article...s_Constitution
=PS= You Lose Again - wacky, Wacko. WOO WOO !

Read my latest one paragraph Book
"US Presidential Qualifications For Over-Educated
{Liberal} Dummies"
http://www.presidentsusa.net/qualifications.html
-key-reference-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preside...es#Eligibility

MWB - Not Your Moma, Not My Moma
and Not even Obama's Moma
-simply- Jus Soli {Natural Born}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
=NOT= Jus Sanguinis {By-Blood -via- Parents}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis

* Natural Born Citizen of the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural..._United_States

* Birthright Citizenship in the United States of America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthri...s_of_Ame rica

* United States Nationality Law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ationality_law

On Jul 30, 2:30*pm, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
For the sake of this discussion, even if he was physically born in
Kenya (or Timbuktu or where ever), he would be an American citizen
by virtue of his mother being a citizen -- and nobody is
questioning her citizenship.
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Nope, the constituion says "natural born citizen", which has been
interpreted as being on US soil.

Interesting.

So you are saying that if a pregnant American citizen, for whatever
reason (vacation, airline attendant), gives birth overseas, that her
child would never be able to be president? Just because the mother
happened to be on vacation?

Is this an "interpretation" of the law or an actual law? If an
"interpretation" (opinion), is this opinion treated as being
cast-in-concrete, and as carrying the same weight of a hard and fast
actual law?

Actual (and factual) citation please, if you have it.


JfK - READ - "US Presidential Qualifications for
Over-Educated {Liberal} Dummies" -by- RHF {ibid}
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...0135ab7e5637dd

On Jul 31, 10:03*am, "~ RHF" wrote:
On Jul 30, 4:34*pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:

"Joe from Kokomo" wrote in ...

Joe from Kokomo wrote:
For the sake of this discussion, even if he was physically born in
Kenya (or Timbuktu or where ever), he would be an American citizen
by virtue of his mother being a citizen -- and nobody is
questioning her citizenship.

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Nope, the constituion says "natural born citizen", which has been
interpreted as being on US soil.

Interesting.

So you are saying that if a pregnant American citizen, for whatever
reason (vacation, airline attendant), gives birth overseas, that her
child would never be able to be president? Just because the mother
happened to be on vacation?

Is this an "interpretation" of the law or an actual law? If an
"interpretation" (opinion), is this opinion treated as being
cast-in-concrete, and as carrying the same weight of a hard and fast
actual law?

- Natural born, by law, has nominally meant born of US parents
- (or parent, as long as paternity/maternity has been established
- by the *age of majority).
- This includes children born of US parent(s) overseas.

BAD -nah- You are worng, Wrong. WRONG !
Natural Born -is- Natural Born {Jus Soli}
*.
"US Presidential Qualifications for
Over-Educated {Liberal} Dummies"http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/660135ab7e5637ddhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5b1e6503976c7776
*.
WRT - "Natural Born" Citizen of the United Stateshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
* That is "Jus Soli" [Birthplace]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
* Not "Jus Sanguinis" [Not Parents]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis
*.
Birth-Right of Citizenship in the United States of Americahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_Sta...
*.
READ - Article Two of the United States Constitution
Legal # 1 : "Natural Born" US Citizen
Legal # 2 : Age 35 Years Oldhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constit...
*.
? What is a "Natural Born" Citizen of the United States ?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
*.
? What is a "Natural Born" Citizen ?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native-born_citizen
*.
* JUS SOLI Soli -wrt- Birthright Citizenshiphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
*.
Why US President Barack 'Hussein' Obama
"IS" Legally Legally My Presidenthttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio..shortwave/msg/c6316c12b599a912http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3f781ddf16636575
*.
just a plain old 'organic' citizen or the world ~ RHF
*.
*.

Exactly what kinds of birth records does Hawaii provide?
Posted by Mijgreb on Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:00:00 AM
Generally, folks don't know that Hawaii law, even in 1961, provided
for multiple kinds of birth records, most of which are not what people
think of when they think of birth certificates. The following is a
description of those, including certificates for people not born in
Hawaii. Go figure!

1. In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were three different
birth certificates that were obtainable:
a. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the
attending medical professional was required to certify to the
Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’
identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the
Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of
Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
b. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by
a physician or mid wife, then, up to the first birthday of the child,
an adult could, upon testimony, file a “Delayed Certificate”, which
required endorsement on the Delayed Certificate of a summary statement
of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed
filing, which evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The
statute provided that the probative value of the Delayed Certificate
must be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official
before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section
57-18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the
1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
c. If a child born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife
filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate
was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian
Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject
person) if the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was
born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one
year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics
Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
2. In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth
kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory
or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section
authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth
certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or
State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual
had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence
for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.
3. The language of the statute clearly applies to births in the
days of the Territory of Hawaii, so also births in 1961.
4. A press release concerning numerous questions raised across the
country as to whether or not Obama was a natural born citizen was
issued on October 31, 2008 by the Hawaii Department of Health by its
Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino.
5. In that very carefully worded press release, Dr. Fukino said
that she had “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State
Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on
record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
6. The intentional ambiguity of that statement raises more
questions that it answered.
7. That statement failed to resolve any of the questions being
raised by litigation across the country over the issue of Obama’s
birth and qualifications for the office of the President of the United
States, including:
a. The specific type of certificate was not identified. Could
it be the certificate for someone born outside of the State of Hawaii?
b. Being “on record” could mean either that its contents are in
the computer database of the department or an actual “vault”
original. If the latter, those are the words used to describe what is
there. The data base record could have been entered based on a birth
record for someone born outside of Hawaii.
c. Therefore, the value as prima facie evidence is limited and
easily overcome if any of the allegations of substantial evidence of
birth outside Hawaii can be obtained and verified with a Court Order.
8. It should also be noted that in the face of all this
litigation, the simple presentation of Obama’s vault birth records
would put the questions to rest.
9. Obama has not taken this approach to a single one of the cases,
but instead has hired legal counsel across the country at no small
expense to defend the claims with motions to dismiss on standing and
similar procedural grounds.
10. Such response to the request for proof that he is qualified to
serve as President of the United States of America only serves to
raise more questions about this election.

On Jul 31, 1:05*am, "~ RHF" wrote:
On Jul 30, 10:20*am, Mike wrote:

On Jul 30, 10:22*am, wrote:

Some people were born in Airplanes over foreign countries or
international waters.If their parents were Americans, they are natural
born citizens of America.
cuhulin

- So, if Obama's mother was a US citizen,
- why do you keep posting links to sources
- suggesting Obama is not a bona fide US citizen?
- Consistency must not mean much in Mississippi.
-
- Mike
- Louisville, KY

MWB - cause, Cause. CAUSE ! Mister Almost PhD
That is NOT the Legal' {Constitutional} Requirement
TO-BE -or- Not-To-Be the US President : As any High
School Graduate should know --- Counting 1-2-3-...
* Natural Born" US Citzen is the Correct Answerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constit...
=PS= You Lose Again - wacky, Wacko. WOO WOO !

Sorry, but YOU lose, you wha-ha-ha-ha-hacko rightard!! Obama is the
ONLY president EVER in the history of the United States to actually
PROVE before the election through public release of his bIrth
certificate that he DOES qualify. AWOL never did not, nor did Clinton,
Reagan, Ike, LBJ... ONLY OBAMA PROVED IT.

YOU lose!

Read my latest one paragraph Book
"US Presidential Qualifications For Over-Educated
{Liberal} Dummies"http://www.presidentsusa.net/qualifications.html
-key-reference-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States#Eligibility

MWB - Not Your Moma, Not My Moma
and Not even Obama's Moma
-simply- Jus Soli {Natural Born}http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
=NOT= Jus Sanguinis {By-Blood -via- Parents}http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis



* Natural Born Citizen of the United Stateshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States

* Birthright Citizenship in the United States of Americahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_Sta...

* United States Nationality Lawhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law
*.
excuse me it's a 'natural born' thing ~ RHF
*.

On Jul 31, 1:05*am, "~ RHF" wrote:
On Jul 30, 10:20*am, Mike wrote:

On Jul 30, 10:22*am, wrote:

Some people were born in Airplanes over foreign countries or
international waters.If their parents were Americans, they are natural
born citizens of America.
cuhulin

- So, if Obama's mother was a US citizen,
- why do you keep posting links to sources
- suggesting Obama is not a bona fide US citizen?
- Consistency must not mean much in Mississippi.
-
- Mike
- Louisville, KY

MWB - cause, Cause. CAUSE ! Mister Almost PhD
That is NOT the Legal' {Constitutional} Requirement
TO-BE -or- Not-To-Be the US President : As any High
School Graduate should know --- Counting 1-2-3-...
* Natural Born" US Citzen is the Correct Answerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constit...
=PS= You Lose Again - wacky, Wacko. WOO WOO !

Read my latest one paragraph Book
"US Presidential Qualifications For Over-Educated
{Liberal} Dummies"http://www.presidentsusa.net/qualifications.html
-key-reference-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States#Eligibility

MWB - Not Your Moma, Not My Moma
and Not even Obama's Moma
-simply- Jus Soli {Natural Born}http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
=NOT= Jus Sanguinis {By-Blood -via- Parents}http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis

So you believe McCain was not eligible?