Architects of a strategy for forcing political change through
orchestrated crisis

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"?baMa? Tse Dung" wrote in message
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Architects of a strategy for forcing political change through
orchestrated crisis

Did you know DEMs rode dinosaurs to Klan meetings a few years ago?
Hey, that's what Limbaugh said.

On Aug 28, 5:04Â*am, "~ RHF" wrote:
On Aug 27, 4:34Â*pm, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote: Architects of a strategy for forcing political change through
orchestrated crisis

http://www.frontpagemag.com/readBlog.aspx?BLOGID=1054


[...]
"Mark my words. Mark my words. It will not be six months before the
world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is
looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year old senator
president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing
here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna
have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle
of this guy. And he's gonna have to make some really tough - I don't
know what the decision's gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As
a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I
guarantee you it's gonna happen. I can give you at least four or five
scenarios from where it might originate. And he's gonna need help. And
the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you, not
financially to help him, we're gonna need you to use your influence,
your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's
not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're
right. Because all these decisions, all these decisions, once they're
made if they work, then they weren't viewed as a crisis."

[...]
"Only thing I'm asking you is, you know, gird your loins."
[...]
"This is more than just, this is more than - think about it,
literally, think about it - this is more than just a capital crisis,
this is more than just markets, this is a systemic problem we have
with this economy."
[...]

- Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden, Jr.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008...nd_raiser.html

What does any of that have to do with shortwave radio????
N9ZAS

On Aug 27, 6:34Â*pm, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:


suckers who flocked to private medicare are now being denied
coverage:There are barriers on top of barriers on top of barriers to
try and prevent people to get the services, No one ever gave these
insurance companies the right to decide who should live and who should
die

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Some-q...-540094576.htm...

Some question private Medicare plans' advantage
Seniors, advocates say private Medicare plans put profits above care;
Washington mulls changes
• By Matt Sedensky, Associated Press Writer
• On Saturday August 29, 2009, 10:42 am EDT

MIAMI (AP) -- Cecile Sangiamo liked her health insurance -- until she
needed to use it.

The 72-year-old Clearwater, Fla., resident had been on the federally
subsidized, privately run Medicare Advantage policy through WellCare
Inc. for about three years when she started having pain that made it
hard to walk.
Her doctor's referral to an orthopedic specialist was denied by the
insurer. Her out-of-pocket costs were higher than she was initially
told. And when Sangiamo needed surgery, she said, WellCare offered
some unexpected medical advice.
"Take pills and use a walker," Sangiamo remembered being told by the
insurer, which declined to comment on the case. "I wanted to say,
'I'll take the walker and bang you in the head with it.'"
Seniors have flocked by the millions to Medicare Advantage, privately
run plans offered as an alternative to traditional, government-run
Medicare. Programs that promise lower premiums or other perks have
combined with heavy marketing from insurance companies to make the
programs double in size in the last six yea rs to nearly 11 million
members and growing.
But critics say that Sangiamo's case is all too common and that the
plans put profits above care and denials of service are routine.
Profits at the insurers offering Medicare Advantage have far outpaced
expectations, and their expenses to treat clients have been far lower
than projected.
Advantage insurers are required to offer perks beyond traditional
Medicare, such as gym memberships or hearing aids. Enrollees also
often get care coordination among the many doctors an older person
might have. But there is no standardization of the thousands of plans
seniors can choose from, and co-pays and premiums vary widely.
In the debate on overhauling the U.S. health care system, Advantage
has been criticized as an example of a broken system that costs too
much, confuses enrollees and suffers from a lack of oversight.
Government payouts for Advantage of $111 billion a year and, on
average, 14 percent more per patient than traditional Medicare have
made the plans a key target for lawmakers and President Barack Obama,
who has cited it frequently as too costly.
Proponents of Advantage and the many seniors who like their coverage
hail its added benefits and care coordination. But even many backers
acknowledge one of its toughest problems is few seniors understand the
essential difference in private plans: Even services covered by
traditional Medicare that doctors deem medically necessary routinely
need the insurers' advance approval and are sometimes denied.
"There are so many hoops to run through, there are so many rules, it's
just mind-boggling," said Mary Johnson, policy analyst for The Senior
Citizens League, a nonpartisan, 1.2-million-member group. "Woe is you
if you have any kind of chronic problem, and woe is you if you're ever
hospitalized."
Participants have been denied visits to specialists, rehabilitation to
help them walk again and countless other services they'd be entitled
to under traditional Medicare.
"Every decision is based on not what's right for the patient, but
what's right for the bottom line," said Dr. Michael Sedrish, who
coordinates HMO payments for Medisys Health Network, which runs three
New York City hospitals.
Everyone over 65 and many disabled people qualify for Medicare.
Private plans, paid for by the government but run by private insurers,
were added in the 1970s to give added choices in coverage.
In 2003, the government added lucrative subsidies for insurers, now
totaling more than $15 billion a year. Many more companies got into
the business, with massive marketing efforts, and enrollment went from
5.3 million in 2003 to more than 10.7 million in July.
With basic Medicare, seniors generally know what sort of coverage
they're getting. That's not the case with the roughly 7,000 Medicare
Advantage plans, where one person's coverage could be completely
different from a next door neighbor's.
Another notable difference between traditional Medicare and Advantage
plans is that the vast majority of traditional Medicare denials come
after treatment, when the doctor or hospital is fighting to get paid.
Advantage denials sometimes come before treatment, delaying it or
preventing it.
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services acknowledges having
more data on what services patients are getting and what ones are
denied would be beneficial, but it is complicated by the sheer number
of plans.
"It's a pretty daunting task," said Tony Culotta, Medicare's director
of enrollment and appeals, "but it's something that we're working
toward."
Ask seniors about Medicare Advantage and you'll get an earful.
Michelle Mancini, 42 and on Medicare because she has spinal
degeneration, was on traditional Medicare but signed up last year for
an Advantage plan from Citrus Health Care, believing she'd have fewer
out-of-pocket expenses.
The St. Petersburg, Fla., resident suffers from a jaw disorder that
causes clicking, popping and pain when she eats or yawns. Getting
approved to see a specialist took months. Approval for needed surgery
took longer. When it was finally over, she realized the post-operation
therapy she should have received to deal with the pain had never been
submitted for approval.
And so she waited, in pain. For a month. Unable to eat.
The process was so taxing, the pain so agonizing, she felt she needed
a psychologist to talk through the experience. And so she had to fight
to get that approved, too.
"There's a hoop-jumping you have to go through," she said. "This goes
on week after week, month after month -- I just want to give up."
A Citrus spokeswoman, Lisa Brock, said Mancini was treated well but
that Advantage clients sometimes were confused about benefits.
Citrus, as well as WellCare, which handled Sangiamo's case, were
disciplined for contract violations this year by the Centers for
Medicare and Medicaid Services, the government agency that oversees
the program, and ordered to stop marketing their plans and enrolling
new clients.
Advantage supporters and insurers say problems have been isolated.
"Seniors are getting additional benefits, they're getting additional
services and they're very happy with the program," said Robert
Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America's Health Insurance Plans, an
industry group. He cited a 2008 study paid for by AHIP that showed
similar rates of satisfaction for both Advantage and Medicare
enrollees.
Carolyn White, 55, of Maynardville, Tenn., is happy with her coverage
even with its hassles.
She has a split pancreas that affects nearly every aspect of her life.
Her doctor recommended a gastric pacemaker costing more than $67,000
to help control crippling nausea.
Cariten Senior Health denied the device, and White went through months
of appeals. But in the end, she got it, and has nothing negative to
say about her insurer. "They were more than wonderful," she said.
"They've gone to bat for me."
Enrollees in both traditional and private plans pay part of the costs.
Under traditional Medicare, many carry an additional private policy,
known as MediGap, to cover what the government doesn't, and that
policy can cost a few hundred dollars per month.
Seniors often join Advantage plans because they think they'll cut
expenses through lower premiums or co-pays, and this can be true. But
it's difficult to tell when signing up, because the benefit rules can
be daunting and medical issues can crop up unexpectedly.
A 2008 Government Accountability Office report found wide differences
in enrollee costs depending on the plan, including home health service
costs that could be up to 84 percent more than traditional Medicare.
A half-million Advantage enrollees were in plans with no co-pay for
hospital stays. But a roughly equal number were in plans with high
hospital co-pays and no limits on out-of-pocket inpatient expenses,
potentially costing patients thousands more.
The disparity was greatest for some of the sickest seniors, the GAO
found -- those who return to the hospital within 60 days of discharge.
Under traditional Medicare, those patients would not pay any
deductible. Under many Advantage plans, it could be steep.
"The plans tell them they have the same coverage," said Delores
Bowman, who handles calls to the Medicare Rights Center, "and they
don't."
The independent nonprofit helps Medicare enrollees, and the makeup of
its roughly 10,000 annual calls has changed dramatically, dominated by
complaints from Medicare Advantage customers.
"The HMOs seem to deny everything," she said.
Insurers make big profits from Advantage.
Another GAO report released last year and based on 2006 data shows
Advantage insurers' profits were $3.36 billion, far exceeding a
projected $2.03 billion. And though enrollment grew quickly, medical
expenses were $360 million lower than projected.
A year earlier, the insurers' profits were nearly triple projections.
The Obama administration already has announced new restrictions on
Advantage plans, including closer scrutiny of high-deductible
coverage, but more are expected and might be included as part of the
overall health reform bill.
Obama has focused on Advantage as one of an array of changes to pay
for his health initiatives.
"There's no showing that seniors are healthier using Medicare
Advantage than using regular Medicare," he said last month in Raleigh,
N.C. "But, taxpayers, you fork over an additional $177 billion to them
over 10 years. You take that out -- that right there helps pay for
millions of people who could get coverage."
At Jamaica Hospital, it all became clear with Angela Dispenza.
The New Yorker was a healthy 77-year-old when she fell two years ago
and fractured her back.
Doctors thought it obvious that Dispenza should be admitted to the
hospital, then receive rehabilitation as her best chance to walk
again. The hospital says her Medicare Advantage plan, Oxford, denied
her hospital admission, rehabilitation and even an ambulance ride
home.
The hospital admitted Dispenza anyway. It was paid, though not in
full, only after going public with the case. Dispenza was able to walk
out of the hospital on her own; doctors said she would have been
bedridden and died without the treatment they insisted on.
Sedrish, whose Medisys network of hospitals in New York owns Jamaica
Hospital, found her case such an egregious example of denials he says
he sees so often that he set out to prove it.
He analyzed files for 16 months in 2006 and 2007, looking only at
patients from on insurer, Oxford, in need of just two types of care,
acute rehabilitation and treatment for traumatic brain injuries. Of 46
such cases, the hospital says, all but three were denied.
Oxford declined to comment.
"There are barriers on top of barriers on top of barriers to try and
prevent people to get the services," Sedrish said. "No one ever gave
these insurance companies the right to decide who should live and who
should die."

On Aug 29, 10:09*am, Nickname unavailable wrote:

-snip-

- The Obama administration already has announced new restrictions on
- Advantage plans, including closer scrutiny of high-deductible
- coverage, but more are expected and might be included as part of the
- overall health reform bill.
- Obama has focused on Advantage as one of an array of changes to pay
- for his health initiatives.
- "There's no showing that seniors are healthier using Medicare
- Advantage than using regular ...
-

Truth is that Obama-Care© Eliminates "Advantage
Plans" so that they an control all end of Life Medical
Care and force America's Senoir Citizens into End-of-Life
Counseling and thus Ending-Their-Lives {Costs} to
Pay for Obama-Care©

Obama-Care© It's Bad Medicine !

Obama-Care© some see it as the First Step to
Force Euthanasia of America's Senior Citizens.

On Aug 29, 4:15*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

Truth is that Obama-Care© Eliminates "Advantage
Plans" so that they an control all end of Life Medical
Care and force America's Senoir Citizens into End-of-Life
Counseling and thus Ending-Their-Lives {Costs} to
Pay for Obama-Care©

These lies are still being spread are they? I guess they
are. You're spreading them.

On Aug 29, 6:51Â*pm, Gary Forbis wrote:
On Aug 29, 4:15Â*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

Truth is that Obama-Care© Eliminates "Advantage
Plans" so that they an control all end of Life Medical
Care and force America's Senoir Citizens into End-of-Life
Counseling and thus Ending-Their-Lives {Costs} to
Pay for Obama-Care©

These lies are still being spread are they? Â*I guess they
are. Â*You're spreading them.

its all they have. here are some quotes from hitler, its conservatism
in its finest hours.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au..._hitler_2.html

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will
be 
believed. 
Adolf Hitler

Â*here is one for conservatives,

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they
will believe it. 
Adolf Hitler
Â*
here is another one for the brainless drooling conservatives,

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big
lie than to a small one. 
Adolf Hitler

Â*most droolers will never figure this one out,

The leader of genius must have the ability to make different
opponents 
appear as if they belonged to one category. 
Adolf Hitler
(hint, liberals are fascists, hint hint)

Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be
made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to
consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. 
Adolf Hitler
Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison
that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction. 
Adolf
Hitler

What good fortune for governments that the people do not think. 
Adolf
Hitler

On Aug 29, 4:51*pm, Gary Forbis wrote:
On Aug 29, 4:15*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

- - Truth is that Obama-Care© Eliminates "Advantage
- - Plans" so that they an control all end of Life Medical
- - Care and force America's Senoir Citizens into End-of-Life
- - Counseling and thus Ending-Their-Lives {Costs} to
- - Pay for Obama-Care©

- These lies are still being spread are they?
-*I guess they are. *You're spreading them.

OGM another Obama-Bot© Reply . . .

Nah in the 1300 Pages of the Obama-Care© Bill
that your US Congressperson and US Senator
has NOT Read - It's In There !

On Aug 29, 5:17Â*pm, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Aug 29, 6:51Â*pm, Gary Forbis wrote:

On Aug 29, 4:15Â*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

Truth is that Obama-Care© Eliminates "Advantage
Plans" so that they an control all end of Life Medical
Care and force America's Senoir Citizens into End-of-Life
Counseling and thus Ending-Their-Lives {Costs} to
Pay for Obama-Care©

These lies are still being spread are they? Â*I guess they
are. Â*You're spreading them.

Â*its all they have. here are some quotes from hitler, its conservatism
in its finest hours.

Hitler

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au..._hitler_2.html


Hitler

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will
be 
believed. 
Adolf Hitler

Hitler

Â*here is one for conservatives,

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they
will believe it. 
Adolf Hitler

Hitler
Â*
here is another one for the brainless drooling conservatives,

The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big
lie than to a small one. 
Adolf Hitler

Hitler


Â*most droolers will never figure this one out,

The leader of genius must have the ability to make different
opponents 
appear as if they belonged to one category. 
Adolf Hitler
(hint, liberals are fascists, hint hint)

Hitler


Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be
made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to
consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. 
Adolf Hitler

Hitler

Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison
that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction. 
Adolf
Hitler

Hitler


What good fortune for governments that the people do not think. 
Adolf
Hitler

Hitler

Another Obama-Ganda© 1930s Hitler NAZI Post
Denying the Liberal-Fascist Realities of 21st Century
Liberal-Fascist Methods and Techniques being used
by the Obama-Regime© in 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...7ef2a698bf5816
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...a44f7c2d454441
Obama-Care© Says NO to Real Medical Care 'Choice'
and Forces 'The Government Health Care Plan On YOU