Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:


There is no power for the Federal Government to spend on anything but
Federal Government, there is no provision to give money to "the people".
When spending is out of jurisdiction, it is the same as taxing out of
the Federal governments jurisdiction, it's unconstitutional.

The constitution doesn't say congress may spend on what ever they want,
it prescribes the limits.

There is no Constitutional redistribution.... what ever they "talked
about" it is irrelevant if it's not in the constitution as a power
prescribed to the United States which in the constitution is actually
"the United States Government" known today as the Federal government.


The power of taxation has traditionally been used to limit corporate
wealth and to encourage behavior deemed advantageous to society. Your
rantings are unfocused.

wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:06:35 -0800, dave
wrote:

Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

There is no power for the Federal Government to spend on anything but
Federal Government, there is no provision to give money to "the people".
When spending is out of jurisdiction, it is the same as taxing out of
the Federal governments jurisdiction, it's unconstitutional.

The constitution doesn't say congress may spend on what ever they want,
it prescribes the limits.

There is no Constitutional redistribution.... what ever they "talked
about" it is irrelevant if it's not in the constitution as a power
prescribed to the United States which in the constitution is actually
"the United States Government" known today as the Federal government.

The power of taxation has traditionally been used to limit corporate
wealth and to encourage behavior deemed advantageous to society. Your
rantings are unfocused.

It also is not why the 'founders" revolted. THey knew
Taxation was necessary. They simply wanted the same
law applied to them--as all other English Citizens


Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a
candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for
the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing
importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should
be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend
to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large
districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of
Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and
formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual,
uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records,
for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with
manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others
to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of
Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise;
the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of
invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that
purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing
to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the
conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent
to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their
offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of
Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the
Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to
the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to
our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to
their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders
which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring
Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging
its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument
for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and
altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested
with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection
and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and
destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to
compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with
circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most
barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to
bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their
friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to
bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages
whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all
ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in
the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by
repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act
which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.


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wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:02:25 -0800, dave


If it makes people forget there is a world full of assholes for a few
minutes every so often, it has value to me.

Trouble is--those who start "news" stations legitimize
those assholes.

I don't do news. I do live variety shows, awards shows, tributes,
conventions, half-time shows, etc; stuff with lots of production values
on the quick.

wrote:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:06:35 -0800, dave
wrote:

The power of taxation has traditionally been used to limit corporate
wealth and to encourage behavior deemed advantageous to society. Your
rantings are unfocused.

It also is not why the 'founders" revolted. THey knew
Taxation was necessary. They simply wanted the same
law applied to them--as all other English Citizens


They were ****ed because the British East India company was getting
unfair tax breaks, allowing them to undercut local merchants' prices,
particularly for tea. When the British East India company's tea ended
up in Boston Harbor, the English typically responded with hostility and
things just kind of snowballed from there.

RHF wrote:
On Nov 23, 6:06 am, dave wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:



There is no power for the Federal Government to spend on anything but
Federal Government, there is no provision to give money to "the people"..
When spending is out of jurisdiction, it is the same as taxing out of
the Federal governments jurisdiction, it's unconstitutional.
The constitution doesn't say congress may spend on what ever they want,
it prescribes the limits.
There is no Constitutional redistribution.... what ever they "talked
about" it is irrelevant if it's not in the constitution as a power
prescribed to the United States which in the constitution is actually
"the United States Government" known today as the Federal government.

- The power of taxation has traditionally been
- used to limit corporate wealth

The Abusive Power of Taxation has traditionally
been Used to Confiscate Individual Wealth.
{Using the Threat of Law and the Might of the
Government To Intimidate and Coerce the Taxed.}

- and to encourage behavior deemed advantageous
- to society.

That is NOT within the spirit of the law.... Taxes are prescribed to
pay for government NOT for social engineering.




















--

Heh, a few minutes ago, Paul Gallo said this weekend he is going to turn
the brain off, not going to watch Fox news.He said all weekend long he
is going to watch Sports.
Perez said that is what he is going to do too.
www.supertalkms.com
cuhulin

On Nov 25, 6:48*am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Talk-n-
dog.com wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Nov 23, 6:06 am, dave wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

There is no power for the Federal Government to spend on anything but
Federal Government, there is no provision to give money to "the people"..
When spending is out of jurisdiction, it is the same as taxing out of
the Federal governments jurisdiction, it's unconstitutional.
The constitution doesn't say congress may spend on what ever they want,
it prescribes the limits.
There is no Constitutional redistribution.... *what ever they "talked
about" *it is irrelevant if it's not in the constitution as a power
prescribed to the United States which in the constitution is actually
"the United States Government" known today as the Federal government.

- The power of taxation has traditionally been
- used to limit corporate wealth

The Abusive Power of Taxation has traditionally
been Used to Confiscate Individual Wealth.
{Using the Threat of Law and the Might of the
Government To Intimidate and Coerce the Taxed.}

- - and to encourage behavior deemed advantageous
- - to society.

- That is NOT within the spirit of the law....
-*Taxes are prescribed to pay for government
- NOT for social engineering.
-
- --

Prez Obama -says-
Americans Are Not Paying Enough {Unprecedented}
Taxes and {Unprecedented} Higher Taxes
is "All Wee-Wee'd Up !"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...724364f5eddd65
yeah, Yeah. YEAH ! Prez Obama the American
People Need Higher and More Taxes {Fees} : So
That They Know That They Need Government To
Do Things For Them With Their Money via Taxes.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...politico/29896

Good Obama-Bots© Gladly Wee-Wee'd Up Their Taxes

Prez Obama -says- Higher Taxes {Fees} are Good
* Obama-Speak© -translation-
Higher Taxes {Fees} Make People Feel Good

Prez Obama -says- More Taxes {Fees} are Better
* Obama-Speak© -translation-
More Taxes {Fees} Make People Feel Better

Prez Obama -says- A Lot More Taxes {Fees} are Great
* Obama-Speak© -translation-
A Lot More Taxes {Fees} Make People Feel Great

Prez Obama -says- I lowered your taxes {unprecedented}
before I Raised Your Taxes {Unprecedented}
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...politico/29896

Prez Obama -says- You had no fees {unprecedented}
I Gave You Fees {Unprecedented}
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...politico/29896

sometimes prez obama taxes the mind ~ RHF

On Nov 25, 11:41*am, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:48:51 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty

wrote:
That is NOT within the spirit of the law.... *Taxes are prescribed to
pay for government NOT for social engineering.

The business of government is what it says it is.

When the electorate doesn't like what government
considers it's business----then they change it

- You just happen to be in a ****ing dinbat (tiny)
- minority of idiots whose views simply are so nutcase
- that you're nothing more than comic relief

"S..." - '****ing dinbat (tiny) minority of idiots'

That is simply Liberal-Fascist Name Calling
and NOT FACTS [.]

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist {Democrat} Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa

* * * REALITY CHECK * * *
In the 2008 US Presidential Election Prez Obama
received 53% of the Votes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...election,_2008

Now 1-in-5 of the Voters that Voted for Prez Obama
say that they would not Vote for BHO now if the
Election was held Now {Today}.

That translates to 10% of the Voters

Add the Remaining 47% who did NOT Voter for
Prez Obama and that Adds-Up-To 57% of the
Electorate. {The Greater Portion of 100%}

Hello Since When is 57% a 'tiny minority' ?

Ah Yes - Using Obama-Math© "The Enemy"*
-aka- Political Opposition to the Obama-Regime©
IS ALWAYS A MINORITY [.]
* Expanding & Redefining The Obama-Enemies-List©
to include Anti-American Enemies-of-the-People
like Republicans & Conservatives & Anyone Who
Opposes the Obama-Regime©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e0ecd9724e72fc

- Boy, that must suck

To Be an Obama-Bot© and have to Preach
The Love of Higher Taxes; and Praise More
Taxes; while Worshiping A Lot More Taxes.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...399dfcf6831d67
suck, Suck. SUCK ! - - - That's the Sound
of Higher Taxes Sucking Up All of the Hard
Earned Money of American Workers.

Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

- and to encourage behavior deemed advantageous
- to society.

That is NOT within the spirit of the law.... Taxes are prescribed to
pay for government NOT for social engineering.

They've been doing it forever. You never heard of a "sin" tax?

RHF wrote:


Now 1-in-5 of the Voters that Voted for Prez Obama
say that they would not Vote for BHO now if the
Election was held Now {Today}.

That translates to 10% of the Voters


Math weirdness aside, we have elections every so often. Those are the
polls that count. This is a snapshot with bad lighting.