On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:43:22 -0600, John Galt wrote:

dave wrote:
John Galt wrote:


Whatever floats your boat. I support free markets and getting the
government the hell out of the way. Hartmann doesn't.

JG


"...Greenspan, 82, acknowledged under questioning that he had made a
“mistake� in believing that banks, operating in their own
self-interest, would do what was necessary to protect their
shareholders and institutions. Greenspan called that “a flaw in the
model ... that defines how the world works.�...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27335454/

So much for what you support.

Not in the least. A flaw in the model doesn't mean you throw the model
away. You fix the flaw and move on. Greenspan went on to declare his
continued faith in the free market system.

So much for your puerile response.

The flaw cannot be fixed but through proper regulation. Ans if that
means isolationism then so be it.

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

Poetic Justice got it right.
EVERYBODY in government is INCOMPETENT!
Not only that, they (''they'') Are NINCOMPOOPS too!
cuhulin

Evangelist Who Took Child 'Brides' Is Sentenced To 175 Years.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=278206

At first, I thought it was Profit Stair.

Lets me git back tu mah ''rat killin'.Sawing sheets of 4' by 8' plywood
strayte uppa teh middle (ya got to hit it in the middle if ya wants to
git a little) and puttin em in mah attic so ahh kin stash ah lot of mah
junk uppa thar.Ahh bort six more sheets uv plywood atz teh Lowe's store
tahdey.
cuhulin

"Poetic Justice" wrote in message
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Sid9 wrote:
"John Galt" wrote in message
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dave wrote:
John Galt wrote:
dave wrote:
Do you remember Iran-Contra? Reagan had more convicted
staffers
than any president since Grant probably.
Nixon wins that metric, but Reagan had his share.

However, if you use that metric, the best president in modern
times was GW Bush, with zero convictions from the Cabinet or key
staff.

I'm guessing you dislike that fact.

JG

You obviously don't remember Iran Contra.
I do very well. He wasn't under discussion.

JG

Herbert Pappy Bush never gets
any mess on himself. Too bad about Bill Casey.
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Incompetence is not illegal!

In government it is mandatory!!
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..
That's the "Amiable Dunce's" theory...remember him?

Reagan?

Then there was the plain old dunce, bush,jr who appointed fdools where
ever he could so he would look better...
Ashcroft, of the blue drape, Gonzales of the poor memory, and the FEMA
guy....the EPA people, Rumsfeld, the tactician, last but not least he
chose Cheney to be his boss.

Reagan taught you that the "government" was your enemy...If you
believed it you're a fool.

A majority of us elected people who are our neighbors to run our
government...you don't like them?

Campaign against them at election time and vote against them.

Sid9 wrote:
"Poetic Justice" wrote in message

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.
That's the "Amiable Dunce's" theory...remember him?

Reagan?

Then there was the plain old dunce, bush,jr who appointed fdools where
ever he could so he would look better...
Ashcroft, of the blue drape, Gonzales of the poor memory, and the FEMA
guy....the EPA people, Rumsfeld, the tactician, last but not least he
chose Cheney to be his boss.

Reagan taught you that the "government" was your enemy...If you
believed it you're a fool.

A majority of us elected people who are our neighbors to run our
government...you don't like them?

Campaign against them at election time and vote against them.





As weird as he was, Ashcroft refused to give Bush unlimited power.

"dave" wrote in message
...
Sid9 wrote:
"Poetic Justice" wrote in message

.
.
That's the "Amiable Dunce's" theory...remember him?

Reagan?

Then there was the plain old dunce, bush,jr who appointed fdools
where ever he could so he would look better...
Ashcroft, of the blue drape, Gonzales of the poor memory, and the
FEMA guy....the EPA people, Rumsfeld, the tactician, last but not
least he chose Cheney to be his boss.

Reagan taught you that the "government" was your enemy...If you
believed it you're a fool.

A majority of us elected people who are our neighbors to run our
government...you don't like them?

Campaign against them at election time and vote against them.



As weird as he was, Ashcroft refused to give Bush unlimited power.
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Ashcroft was part bush,jr's "matched set"
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The wrecking crew of America.

"Sid9" wrote in -
september.org:


"dave" wrote in message
...
Sid9 wrote:
"Poetic Justice" wrote in message

.
.
That's the "Amiable Dunce's" theory...remember him?

Reagan?

Then there was the plain old dunce, bush,jr who appointed fdools
where ever he could so he would look better...
Ashcroft, of the blue drape, Gonzales of the poor memory, and the
FEMA guy....the EPA people, Rumsfeld, the tactician, last but not
least he chose Cheney to be his boss.

Reagan taught you that the "government" was your enemy...If you
believed it you're a fool.

A majority of us elected people who are our neighbors to run our
government...you don't like them?

Campaign against them at election time and vote against them.



As weird as he was, Ashcroft refused to give Bush unlimited power.
.
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Ashcroft was part bush,jr's "matched set"
.
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The wrecking crew of America.


Still wrong after all these years, sidney
Your stupid slanders based on DNC myths are making you look stupid

On Nov 14, 3:36*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:50:00 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty

wrote:

Europe has been relying on the USA to generate the wealth to keep Europe
free for the last 70 years.

We made their Socialism work, as we fail so shall their Socialism.

You dingbat

- You wouldn't know a socialist if one kicked you.

Goose Stepping is a good indication . . .
http://www.diggerhistory.info/images...goose-step.jpg
National "Socialist" German Worker's Party (NSDAP)
-aka- The NAZIs

On Nov 14, 3:14*pm, dave wrote:
John Galt wrote:
dave wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

Freedom is Libertarian, and it may be gone for ever, Socialism has never
worked and was extinct before it ever lived.

What? *Don't tell the Europeans.

Why not? They're not socialist. They're social democracies.

HUGE difference.

JG

"...modern social democracy has deviated from socialism, and supports
the idea of a mixed economy which incorporates elements of both
socialism and capitalism.[2] Social democrats aim to reform capitalism
democratically through state regulation and the creation of programs
that work to counteract or remove the social injustice and
inefficiencies they see as inherent in capitalism. A product of this
effort has been the modern democratic welfare state. This approach
significantly differs from traditional socialism, which aims to replace
the capitalist system entirely with a new economic system characterized
by either state or direct worker ownership of the means of production.

- In many countries, social democrats continue to exist alongside
- democratic socialists, who stand to the left of them on the
political
- spectrum. The two movements sometimes operate within the same
political
- party, such as the Brazilian Workers' Party[3] and the French
Socialist
- Party. In recent years, several social democratic parties (in
- particular, the British Labour Party) have embraced more centrist,
Third
- Way policy positions. This development has generated considerable
- controversy..."
-source-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

On Nov 15, 2:46*am, John Galt wrote:
dave wrote:
John Galt wrote:
dave wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

Freedom is Libertarian, and it may be gone for ever, Socialism has
never
worked and was extinct before it ever lived.

What? *Don't tell the Europeans.

Why not? They're not socialist. They're social democracies.

HUGE difference.

JG

"...modern social democracy has deviated from socialism, and supports
the idea of a mixed economy which incorporates elements of both
socialism and capitalism.[2] Social democrats aim to reform capitalism
democratically through state regulation and the creation of programs
that work to counteract or remove the social injustice and
inefficiencies they see as inherent in capitalism. A product of this
effort has been the modern democratic welfare state. This approach
significantly differs from traditional socialism, which aims to replace
the capitalist system entirely with a new economic system characterized
by either state or direct worker ownership of the means of production.

In many countries, social democrats continue to exist alongside
democratic socialists, who stand to the left of them on the political
spectrum. The two movements sometimes operate within the same political
party, such as the Brazilian Workers' Party[3] and the French Socialist
Party. In recent years, several social democratic parties (in
particular, the British Labour Party) have embraced more centrist, Third
Way policy positions. This development has generated considerable
controversy..."

- Correct. However, the core difference is that social democrats
recognize
- that government ownership of the means of production is, at its
core,
- counterproductive to a prosperous society. (Even though they may
very
- well own certain productive processes deemed essential to society,
they
- do so not because they think they can improve their efficiency, but
- because they feel it necessary to prioritize the process differenly
than
- the free market would allot.)
-
- Socialists refuse to recognize this.
-
- JG

Sort of like a Government Enterprise being Taxed
by the very same Government.

Imagine -if- the IRS had to Pay a Corporate Income
Tax on the Income Taxes that it Collected from
the Tax Payers.

Tax Payers = Share Holders in the Government.

Then imagine the IRS Paying a Dividend to the
American Tax Payers for the Taxes that they
had Paid from the Taxes that the IRS had Paid
on those very same Taxes.

Hey Socialism can Create Money Through
Taxes-On-Taxes with no external inputs.

what goes around comes around ~ RHF