On Oct 15, 3:23*pm, Robert Klute wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:27:33 -0700, Mack A. Damia

wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron
wrote:

So, gun control isn't the real issue. *Identifying and treating the
mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.

Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.

But you miss my point.

I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
to the wrong people. *The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence.

The US has an epidemic of violence, period. *Even if you eliminate all
gun crime from the statistics, the US still ranks up there. *

That aside, my hypothesis is that most gun crime is drug related.
Unfortunately for me, I have been unable to get the numbers to validate
or disprove this. *Ever year, my main sources of information for this,
the Uniform Crime Stastistics and NIH mortality reports, seem to have
less and less detail.

It must pretty grim . Violent firearms and other weapon usage (in
general) is increasing due to worsening economic conditions. The
society is becoming less civilized as well .

On Oct 15, 3:40*pm, Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:23:56 -0700, Robert Klute
wrote:





On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:27:33 -0700, Mack A. Damia
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:03:11 -0500, Dillon Pyron
wrote:

So, gun control isn't the real issue. *Identifying and treating the
mental disorders would have prevented the massacre.

Not the only case of school shootings; there are several others.

But you miss my point.

I'm not against gun ownership, but there are just too many available
to the wrong people. *The U.S has an epidemic of gun-related violence..

The US has an epidemic of violence, period. *Even if you eliminate all
gun crime from the statistics, the US still ranks up there. *

That aside, my hypothesis is that most gun crime is drug related.
Unfortunately for me, I have been unable to get the numbers to validate
or disprove this. *Ever year, my main sources of information for this,
the Uniform Crime Stastistics and NIH mortality reports, seem to have
less and less detail.

Guns are too easy to obtain, and there are too many of them. *Look at
the school shootings, and we have had several.

As the conservatives gain influence and power, I would expect the
stats to fade into obscurity, and the lies we hear from them are
simply unbelievable.

One day there will be a reckoning.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

John Hickley ?

On Oct 15, 6:25*pm, Kevin Alfred Strom
wrote:
On 10/15/2010 3:12 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
[...]

•"The rate of death from firearms in the United States is eight times
higher than that in its economic counterparts in other parts of the
world."

*From the American Bar Association

http://www.abanet.org/gunviol/factsa...compared.shtml

Don't hand me anymore of your propaganda.

[...]

Actually, firearms don't cause deaths any more than cast iron
skillets do. It's all in how they're used. It is true that some
population groups are more prone to violence, though. That's the
main reason why the US murder rates are many times higher than in
Europe and Japan. See

http://nationalvanguard.org/2010/10/...ce-in-america/

for the statistics.

With all good wishes,

Kevin Alfred Strom.
--http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

Again,the data is from 7+ years ago. Wonder what it is right now.

On Oct 15, 8:11*pm, wrote:
On Oct 15, 8:03*am, wrote:

What it wuz, somebody in the rec.autos.tech newsgroup said, Why is the
price of cotton up?

I did a devilfinder.com for, Gun Cotton.

http://www.libertyreferences.com/gun-cotton.shtml
Do It Yourself Gunpowder Cookbook.

You can make Gunpowder from dead cats, Whiskey, your living room
ceiling, manure, a bunch of thingys.
cotton cuhulin

- Chinese firecrackers... can be used as a shock weapon !

Yeah - Especially If you place one . . .
in the Shockee's Ear ! - ouch ~ RHF
http://www.reddevilscarclub.com/M-1000firecracker.jpg

On 10/16/2010 7:40 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

...
In short, in the free-range insane asylum between the 49th parallel and
the Rio Grande, horrible crimes are often perfectly legal, and innocent,
moral, and truly good acts often land you in federal prison.

With all good wishes,

Kevin Alfred Strom.

Yeah, kinda' like "Bizarro World", from the old Superman Comics ... good
summation; I see it!

In having met some of these small time crooks/politicians/etc., I don't
hold drugs as being responsible for their insane behaviors (although, in
some cases it maybe, or, at least, may help.) It appears to be sheer
greed, corruption and human fallibility! In extreme cases, sociopathic
tendencies/drives?

And, in the final analysis, you must ask yourself, "Is it them, or is it
us?" As, it looks like those we once locked into prisons and mental
institutions, we now elect to public office! Go figure!

Regards,
JS

Wayyyyyy back in the old Western days in America, kids used to take
their shootin irons to school.Perchnce to shoot something to put food on
the supper table at home, that's why.Dijou know that? I have knowed that
most all of my life.

I am woikin on my old trailer in my back yard now.Puttin one inch by
four inch trim boards on thar.My trailer is painted white, the trim
boards I will paint them green.Then I am going to cut out a few big
Shamrocks from some wood and paint them green (but, of course, Green,
Irish Green) and I will put them on my old trailer too.I keeps my old
1914 Ford Model T Runabout Roadster car stored in my old trailer.

http://www.devilfinder.com
The Turning Shamrock

See the turning Shamrock at,
http://www.ryans.org
cuhulin, the Shamrock

Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:


I essentially agree, but there is a problem, quite outside the main
problem (that violence-prone populations breed more than relatively
peaceful ones).


All so-called civilized people are violence prone.

On 10/16/2010 3:42 PM, dave wrote:
Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:


I essentially agree, but there is a problem, quite outside the main
problem (that violence-prone populations breed more than relatively
peaceful ones).


All so-called civilized people are violence prone.


I don't recall that being true of my grandmother, but perhaps you
know better.

But if you're talking about groups (Horrors! -- we're not supposed
to do that!), there's some truth in what you say. After all,
Sherman's March to the Sea, a war crime of war crimes, was done by
White people.

But it still remains true that some races are far more violent than
others:

http://nationalvanguard.org/2010/10/...ce-in-america/


With my best,


Kevin.
--
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

On Oct 16, 11:11 am, wrote:
- Wayyyyyy back in the old Western days
- in America, kids used to take their shootin
- irons to school.
- Perchnce to shoot something to put food
- on the supper table at home, that's why.

My Daddy {1897} and his Brother did just that
carried a Boys Rifle {Level Action Carbine} every
day when they walked from Chili Gulch to the
one-room School in Mokelumne Hill, CA.

Chili Gulch CA State Highway # 49 (Milepost 26.4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_Gulch
http://www.noehill.com/calaveras/cal0265.asp
http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=11515
http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/ca/chiligulch.html
Used to be that you could stand by the Road
Side CA Historical Marker and see the remaining
stone foundations of his Parents and Grandparents
homes at Chili Gulch . . .
-here's-to- Dona Maria Estrella de Soto
the grand old lady of the family - bbhn ~ RHF
49er Partners : Frederick Otis Fisk & Hiram Clum
a story right out of Paint-Your-Wagon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_Y...gon_%28film%29

On 10/16/2010 7:18 PM, RHF wrote:

...

Show me an ethnic group, a race, a people which has never been enslaved
and I will show you a group which is violent enough ...

Regards,
JS