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On Nov 2, 7:18*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 11/2/10 07:49 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:





On 11/1/2010 6:05 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

...
Probably us falling into 'third world status' has nothing to do with
your 'guilt and deception'.

I think you are overlooking the obvious. The USA is just too expensive
any more. First to Mexico, now China and India and probably Africa after
that.

A race to the bottom. :-(

On 11/1/2010 11:55 PM, John Smith wrote:

You are simply telling me what my treasonous-criminal-public-servants
are doing ... yes, we are going to have to tell them NO! Put high
tariffs on all imports, bring jobs back to American...

In -theory-, you are absolutely correct. However, in actual practice,
tell me when the cheap Chinese labor and cheap Wal-Mart prices go away,
how long do you think it will be until the American consumer starts
rioting? (You do realze that when the 15 cent an hour Chinese labor goes
to $15 dollars an hour American labor, that prices WILL go up, waaay up..)

And yes, the public servants who think they have usurped power are
racing us towards the bottom and economic slavery ... I want them and
the banksters and wall street there ...

Also correct...but unfortunately, you are forgetting the "Golden Rule":

He who has the gold makes the rules.

Quite a conundrum. Any suggestions as to a solution?

* *Ooh..ooh...[waving hand}...Teacher!, I've got this one.

* *Yes. Actually, we need to rethink the nature of wealth, in THIS
country. Where the real root of wealth is. Over the last century,
well, 60 years of it, we've gone from a manufacturing economy, to a
merchant economy. Rather than building and selling, we've elected to
buy and resell. Shifting the liability of labor to other entities as
a cost saving measure. Even though we still have robust
manufacturing activity in this country. We still build most of the
world's cars, for instance. With more foreign plants being built on
American soil even as we discuss this.

* *But, it's HOW we use labor that renders the difference in how
we're ranked in the Global Economy.

* *In our own MBA driven business culture, we've attempted to
offload all costs to other entities, to drive up profits, and the
stock price. Because we've looked at labor as a liability. Rather
than an asset. Shifting the cost of labor to overseas manufacturers.
Attempting, as it were, to conserve our way to prosperity, by
eliminating most, if not all, production costs.

* *In this way, we've allowed other cultures to do our manufacturing
for us on their home soil, in plants owned by foreign companies. WE
simply place orders, buy commodities, and take a markup. Avoiding
labor, benefits and pension liabilities, and saving, often--though
not always--a huge tax burden.

* *Those same other nations, on the other hand, come to this country
for non-union labor, and build their own products, for sales and
export, in factories of THEY own. Saving some on labor, benefits and
pension costs, and snapping up huge tax incentives, but retaining
the true source and origination of wealth: The engine of production.
Because they view labor as an asset. The major car companies come to
this country and purchase our labor, but build in their own plants.
*From raw materials, to end product. The finished product, in that
case, is owned by themselves. To be sold by themselves. With all
markups, handling fees, retained by the company. They have higher
costs, in that they have physical plant overhead, but, they have
control over the profit produced by the product at each stage of
handling.

* *In the US MBA driven model, only the cost of the commodity is
borne by the company. With profits controllable at stages between
purchase of the finished product and beyond. Where as the foreign
model, the profits begin with the acquisition of raw materials. And
along each stage of production. Further, labor at each stage
produces wages at each stage, which produces economic vigor that the
'merchant' economy does not.

* *What this means, is that we do have cheaper products on the
market, in many cases than could be produced by our own hands.
However, QC, and the enormous infrastructure of production, which
injects robust economic yield into our own GDP, belong to foreign
nationals.

* *Put in a single sentence: We purchase products. THEY purchase labor.

On Nov 2, 8:13*am, John Smith wrote:
On 11/2/2010 5:49 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

...
In -theory-, you are absolutely correct. However, in actual practice,
tell me when the cheap Chinese labor and cheap Wal-Mart prices go away,
how long do you think it will be until the American consumer starts
rioting? (You do realze that when the 15 cent an hour Chinese labor goes
to $15 dollars an hour American labor, that prices WILL go up, waaay up..)
...

If it is the same 'Machine' producing the same
"Widget" : The 15 Cent/Hour Chinese Worker has
the Dignity of a Job and can feed his family :
While the $15/Hour American Worker does NOT have
the Dignity of a Job and can NOT feed his family.

All other things being 'equal' the "Widget" should
be the same whether produced in China or the USA.

AMERICAN JOBS {Dignity} FIRST :
Oversea's Profits {Greed} Second ~ RHF

VOTE THE US CONGRESS BUMS OUT ! ~ RHF

When you consider the good the 0.15USD spent in china, against the
$15.00USD spent here would do, it ain't rocket science, is it?

...
Also correct...but unfortunately, you are forgetting the "Golden Rule":

He who has the gold makes the rules.

Quite a conundrum. Any suggestions as to a solution?

Not really correct, at all. *He who has the food makes the rules, and
ends up with all the gold too ...

Regards,
JS

On Nov 2, 7:14*am, dave wrote:
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 11/1/2010 11:25 AM, John Smith wrote:
Why these sick b*st*rds are left unchallenged to coax Americans, through
guilt and deception, into failure and 3rd world status simply disgusts
me ... but we seem to have an abundance of these fools here with us ....

Regards,
JS

Probably us falling into 'third world status' has nothing to do with
your 'guilt and deception'.

I think you are overlooking the obvious. The USA is just too expensive
any more. First to Mexico, now China and India and probably Africa after
that.

A race to the bottom. :-(

- That's finished. We lost. Nuke China.

'Special Dave' - nuke,,, Nuke... NUKE ! ! !

'Special Dave' - You have stuck your head
in the Microwave One To Many Times ;;-}} ~ RHF

On Nov 2, 10:51*am, John Smith wrote:
On 11/2/2010 9:53 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

...
I disagree. If we did, it would be suicide for the entire world. Got a
less fatal solution?

How about a genetic altered bacteria/virus which only kills asians and
quickly mutates into a harmless strain within a few generations? *This
way, we could disperse it in china in some vehicle and have asian
populations in other nations realtivly save from any infection(s.)

Or, else, if HAARP is really a weather modification weapon, we just
"weather-em' to death?" *grin

Regards,
JS

The latest Swine Flu Incident {Attack} that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_Flu_Mexico
occurred in Mexico is the scenario that is
usually suggested . . .

Day Zero : Start with one City {London} that
has a very large Asian Population that is
Transiting in-&-out via the Airlines Daily.
Start by Infecting All Asians at the Airport.

Day One : From there within a Day 10 to 20
more Cities of Arrival get Infected.

Day Two : From these within another Day 10
to 20 Chinese Cities of Arrival get Infected.

Day Three : PANDEMIC IN CHINA !

This assumes that the Infectees at the Point
of Origin City {London} have a three day period
of being Asymptomatic {No Signs of Sickness}

Note - The Chinese Plan on Losing 1/3rd of their
Population in a Nuclear War {The US Population}
-and- The Chinese Taking a Decades Long View :
See That As Being A Potential 'Good' Outcome.
-so- A Bio-War Attack that does the same thing
would be something that they would survive over
the decades and overcome; without the problems
of all the Nuclear Radiation...

it's a sick world out there . . . ~ RHF

On Nov 2, 12:06*pm, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 11/2/2010 9:53 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
I disagree. If we did, it would be suicide for the entire world. Got a
less fatal solution?

On 11/2/2010 1:51 PM, John Smith wrote:

How about a genetic altered bacteria/virus which only kills asians and
quickly mutates into a harmless strain within a few generations? This
way, we could disperse it in china in some vehicle and have asian
populations in other nations realtivly save from any infection(s.)

- Why punish the Chinese working man?
- Why not lay the blame on the greedy
- American business owners that went to China
- or gasp! blame it on the American consumer
- that just loves those cheap prices.
-
- Like Pogo Possum always said,
- "We have met the enemy and he is us".

Yes the American Worker wants the Dignity of
a Job and the Ability to Feed his Family.
-and-
The Chinese Worker wants the Dignity of a Job
and the Ability to Feed his Family.

AMERICAN JOBS {Dignity} FIRST :
Oversea's Profits {Greed} Second [.]

VOTE THE US CONGRESS BUMS OUT !

don't blame the workers : blame the business
owners and blame the us congress ~ RHF

On Nov 2, 2:15*pm, dave wrote:
Joe from Kokomo wrote:

Why punish the Chinese working man? Why not lay the blame on the greedy
American business owners that went to China -- or gasp! blame it on
the American consumer that just loves those cheap prices.

How much more do you think it would cost, per item, if they were
manufactured here? I think it's like 70 cents for a shirt and $4 for a
$150 pair of Nikes. We have nickeled-and-dimed ourselves into extinction.


AMERICAN JOBS {Dignity} FIRST :
Oversea's Profits {Greed} Second [.]

VOTE THE US CONGRESS BUMS OUT !

don't blame the workers : blame the business
owners and blame the us congress ~ RHF

On Nov 2, 2:15*pm, dave wrote:
Joe from Kokomo wrote:

Why punish the Chinese working man? Why not lay the blame on the greedy
American business owners that went to China -- or gasp! blame it on
the American consumer that just loves those cheap prices.

How much more do you think it would cost, per item, if they were
manufactured here? I think it's like 70 cents for a shirt and $4 for a
$150 pair of Nikes. We have nickeled-and-dimed ourselves into extinction.

??? Isn't that Pocket Grundig an SDR/Hybrid ???

On 11/2/2010 12:06 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

...
Why punish the Chinese working man? Why not lay the blame on the greedy
American business owners that went to China -- or gasp! blame it on
the American consumer that just loves those cheap prices.

Like Pogo Possum always said, "We have met the enemy and he is us".

I suppose you will be posing that exact same question to some foreign
power/religion/radical-group once a nuke or two or other weapon is used
here ... truth is, us (the working man) deserves it if he/she doesn't
keep their government reigned in and obeying their wishes ...

The unfortunate truth is that our criminally-treasonous public servants
put us at great risk in many evil and diabolical ways to stuff their
pockets and obey the puppet masters ... anyone can plainly see, at some
point there is going to be great consequences.

Regards,
JS

On Nov 2, 6:18*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 11/2/2010 12:06 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

...
Why punish the Chinese working man? Why not lay the blame on the greedy
American business owners that went to China -- or gasp! blame it on
the American consumer that just loves those cheap prices.

Like Pogo Possum always said, "We have met the enemy and he is us".

- I suppose you will be posing that exact same
- question to some foreign power/religion/radical
- group once a nuke or two or other weapon is used
- here ... truth is, us (the working man) deserves
- it if he/she doesn't keep their government reigned
- in and obeying their wishes ...

ASSUMES a "Democracy-Up" Society and a Government
that is responsive to the wishes/will of the people.

Many Governments are "Power-Down" Organizations
that Control their Societies and actively suppress
by force the wishes/will of the people.

~ RHF