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Earlier this morning, about three or four something hours ago, Paul
Gallo (Super Talk Mississippi talk radio) was talking about Public
Policy Polling.I believe he said NBC news has pulled ahead of Fox news.
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On Jan 24, 9:20*am, dave wrote:
On 01/24/2011 04:17 AM, Arky Bob wrote:

On Jan 21, 9:03 pm, *wrote:
Jusr announced he's history. C-ya.

Hopefully Maddow and the other leftists will be next.

Let them go the way of air america -

The USA was founded by "leftists". Jesus is a liberal.

Nearly ALL Founding Fathers came from very wealthy plantantion/banking/
trading well-to-do families . Also,the actual political term 'left'
started in France in 1789 . The 'Jacobins and the Montagards' . USA
also stand :Union of South Africa . And they definitily DIDN'T have
any left-wingers in charge till about 20 years ago . For real .

On Jan 24, 9:20*am, dave wrote:

[...]


Jesus is a liberal.


Then why do liberals mock Him and hate Him so much?

On Jan 24, 10:18*pm, DEFCON 88 wrote:
- - On Jan 24, 9:20*am, dave wrote:
- - Jesus is a liberal.

Jesus was simply JESUS-THE-CHRIST [.]
For All Those* Who Have Faith and Believe

* It's A Matter of Faith : Not Politics.

- Then why do liberals mock Him
- and hate Him so much?

For Liberals Who Are Outward Jesus Haters :
It's An Inner-Knowing & Self-Conflict
-and- An Inner-Battle With Self-Hate

For Those* With An Inner-Knowing & Self-Confidence
It's Acceptance of Jesus' Love and Sacrifice
{Thank You Jesus}
-and- Loving Jesus In Return - Amen ~ RHF

* It's A Matter of Faith : Not Politics.

On Jan 25, 11:43*pm, wrote:
On Jan 25, 9:01*am, dave wrote:



On 01/24/2011 10:10 PM, wrote:

On Jan 24, 9:20 am, *wrote:
On 01/24/2011 04:17 AM, Arky Bob wrote:

On Jan 21, 9:03 pm, * *wrote:
Jusr announced he's history. C-ya.

Hopefully Maddow and the other leftists will be next.

Let them go the way of air america -

The USA was founded by "leftists". Jesus is a liberal.

Nearly ALL Founding Fathers came from very wealthy plantantion/banking/
trading well-to-do families . Also,the actual political term 'left'
started in France in 1789 . The 'Jacobins and the Montagards' . USA
also stand :Union of South Africa . And they definitily DIDN'T have
any left-wingers in charge till about 20 years ago . *For real .

The Founders were mainly farmers and beyond land and slaves didn't own
much. The richest one had about $750,000 in 2010 dollars. The first
American millionaire occurred in 1790.

'Special-Dave' Having Yet Another Medical Marijuana Pipe Dream
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e822792fe06b94

On Jan 26, 7:24*am, RHF wrote:
On Jan 25, 11:43*pm, wrote:





On Jan 25, 9:01*am, dave wrote:

On 01/24/2011 10:10 PM, wrote:

On Jan 24, 9:20 am, *wrote:
On 01/24/2011 04:17 AM, Arky Bob wrote:

On Jan 21, 9:03 pm, * *wrote:
Jusr announced he's history. C-ya.

Hopefully Maddow and the other leftists will be next.

Let them go the way of air america -

The USA was founded by "leftists". Jesus is a liberal.

Nearly ALL Founding Fathers came from very wealthy plantantion/banking/
trading well-to-do families . Also,the actual political term 'left'
started in France in 1789 . The 'Jacobins and the Montagards' . USA
also stand :Union of South Africa . And they definitily DIDN'T have
any left-wingers in charge till about 20 years ago . *For real .

The Founders were mainly farmers and beyond land and slaves didn't own
much. The richest one had about $750,000 in 2010 dollars. The first
American millionaire occurred in 1790.

'Special-Dave' Having Yet Another Medical Marijuana Pipe Dreamhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b7e822792fe06b94
*.
*.
- - The Enlightenment is the birth of Liberalism.

'Special-Dave',
So... "The Enlightenment" -is-defined-by- 'Liberalism' =NOT=

"The Age of Enlightenment" -aka- 'The Age of Reason'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enlightenment

"Reason" {Reasoning} comes in all forms of :
Political, Social and Religious Thought {Ism's}

- - The idea that people can govern themselves
- - is the heart of liberalism.

'Special-Dave',
NO ! : That would be Democracy a/o Republicanism.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democra.../Republicanism
Both of which existed long before the so-called
'The Age of Enlightenment'
*.
- - Conservatism is about kings and control.

'Special-Dave',
NO ! : That would be Monarchism.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchism

So... 'Special-Dave',
All those Modern Day American Conservatives
who are Champions of the Spirit of 1776; and
the Principles and Ideals of the US Constitution;
and American Personal Rights and Individual
Freedoms . . .
-are-really-about- Kings & Control : D'Oh !
*.
*.
- That's not what Charles A Beard wrote, in 1913 .
-*And George Washington wasn't a poor man when
- he was born . Tobacco was extremely popular and
- expensive in the Old World .
- He was not a farmer, that's for sure !

George Washington's fortunes varied; but GWhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington
was Lucky to Marry a Well-to-Do Window . . .http://www.getrichwithray.com/cha-ching.gif
and was Enriched by the Spoils of War . . .
from His Life of Government & Military Service.
*.
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wh--a--at ? Oh, so he married a Window ! That a lot better than living
with a Hatch .

On Jan 26, 8:23*am, dave wrote:
On 01/26/2011 04:24 AM, RHF wrote:

* .
- That's not what Charles A Beard wrote, in 1913 .
- And George Washington wasn't a poor man when
- he was born . Tobacco was extremely popular and
- expensive in the Old World .
- He was not a farmer, that's for sure !

You're right. He was also a surveyor.

As a leader of the "progressive historians," or "progressive
historiography," Beard introduced themes of economic self-interest and
economic conflict regarding the adoption of the Constitution and the
transformations caused by the Civil War. Thus he emphasized the
long-term conflict among industrialists in the Northeast, farmers in the
Midwest, and planters in the South that he saw as the cause of the Civil
War. His study of the financial interests of the drafters of the United
States Constitution (An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution)
seemed radical in 1913, since he proposed that the U.S. Constitution was
a product of economically determinist, land-holding founding fathers. He
saw ideology as a product of economic interests.
[edit] Constitution

Historian Carl Becker in History of Political Parties in the Province of
New York, 1760-1776 (1909) formulated the Progressive interpretation of
the American Revolution. He said there were two revolutions: one against
Britain to obtain home rule, and the other to determine who should rule
at home. Beard expanded upon Becker's thesis, in terms of class
conflict, in An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the
United States (1913) and An Economic Interpretation of Jeffersonian
Democracy (1915). To Beard, the Constitution was a counter-revolution,
set up by rich bondholders ("personalty" since bonds were "personal
property"), in opposition to the farmers and planters ("realty" since
land was "real property.") Beard argued the Constitution was designed to
reverse the radical democratic tendencies unleashed by the Revolution
among the common people, especially farmers and debtors. In 1800, said
Beard, the farmers and debtors, led by plantation slave owners,
overthrew the capitalists and established Jeffersonian democracy. Other
historians supported the class-conflict interpretation, noting the
states confiscated great semi-feudal landholdings of loyalists and gave
them out in small parcels to ordinary farmers. Conservatives, such as
William Howard Taft, were shocked at the Progressive interpretation
because it seemed to belittle the Constitution.[12] Many scholars,
however, eventually adopted Beard's thesis and by 1950 it had become the
standard interpretation of the era.

Beginning about 1950, however, historians started to argue that the
progressive interpretation was factually incorrect. These historians
were led by Charles A. Barker, Philip Crowl, Richard P. McCormick,
William Pool, Robert Thomas, John Munroe, Robert E. Brown and B. Kathryn
Brown, and above all Forrest McDonald.[13]

Forrest McDonald in We The People: The Economic Origins of the
Constitution (1958) argued that Charles Beard had misinterpreted the
economic interests involved in writing the Constitution. Instead of two
interests, landed and mercantile, which conflicted, there were three
dozen identifiable interests that forced the delegates to bargain.

Evaluating the historiographical debate, Peter Novick concluded:

* * *“By the early 1960s it was generally accepted within the historical
profession that ...Beard’s Progressive version of the ...framing of the
Constitution had been decisively refuted. American historians came to
see ....the framers of the Constitution, rather than having
self-interested motives, were led by concern for political unity,
national economic development, and diplomatic security.”[14]

Beard's economic determinism was largely replaced by the intellectual
history approach, which stressed the power of ideas, especially
republicanism, in stimulating the Revolution.[15] However, the legacy of
examining the economic interests of American historical actors endures.
-wikipedia

And does endure, indeed .