On 03/06/2011 08:46 AM, wrote:
Where, oh where? is Eduardo to chime in on that.
cuhulin


"Dwardo's all over it. But you knew that.

dave wrote:

On 03/06/2011 08:46 AM, wrote:
Where, oh where? is Eduardo to chime in on that.
cuhulin


"Dwardo's all over it. But you knew that.

'Eduardo' is a clown 'tard whose mommy sent him away because he was an
embarrassment to the family.

She also fronted him the $$ for his Ecuadorian adventures.

Bet on it.

On 3/6/11 10:42 , SMS wrote:
On 3/6/2011 7:55 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 3/6/11 09:00 , SMS wrote:

The fact is that digital radio is all about content and a lack of
monthly fees.


The content on digital subchannels is no different than the
content on
the baseband. A different shuffling of the records, but the same
records
as are heard elsewhere.

The HD2 (and HD3, 4 if they exist) content is very different than
the analog/HD1 content.

Not so. Not by a long shot. If you look, as I stated above, the
content on the digital subchannels is just a repackaging of the same
crap that's on the baseband. What makes it so 'different' is the
classic rock stations have R&B subchannels. While the R&B stations
have 80's and classic rock subchannels.

Not very different at all.






And as for monthly fees....conditional access has been under test for
more than a year, now. And that IS the goal of digital radio. It's
been
the holy grail of broadcast since KDKA. Digital doesn't make it
possible. But digital does make it practical.

Yes, it's possible that stations could offer commercial-free paid
conditional access if the public would go along with it. I think
it's unlikely to happen considering the alternative paid services.

It's currently under development.


Public interest is still waning for HD radio, and more stations are
turning off the IBOC transmitters across the country every month.
Audio
quality is poor and coverage is spotty.

Some AM is being turned off, but it's extremely rare for an FM IBOC
station to stop digital transmission. More and more FM stations are
adding HD,


Not for the last 18 months, they haven't. And a good number of
FM's have turned off their IBOC transmitters. This in direct
conflict with the contracts with iBiquity. And they're have been
threatened lawsuits. But so far, the only thing that's come of it
have been a lot of threats. And more IBOC transmitters leaving the air.


but since most major stations have already converted the
rate of increase of conversions is less than when it was brand new.

It's zero, going backward.


And no, it's not a philosophical difference that has most in
opposition
to HD Radio, it's the interference, the lesser audio quality for the
addition of programming that's no different than what's on the
baseband
that's got so many people opposed.

LOL, no matter how many times you claim "lesser audio quality" it
won't make it true.

It's not my claim. Test after test, by broadcasters, by
consultants, have been controverted by real double blind listening
tests involving listeners.

The audio quality simply doesn't measure up. Less processing,
yes. But more digital artifacts. More than a low bit MP3.

Deny all you want. Known and documented by iBiquity themselves.

Richard Evans wrote:

A good modern digital radio system might not fix all the problems, but
it would at least make good sound quality a feasible option.

Richard E.

Speaking of good digital radio systems, I just did a bit of searching
for information on a standard called DVB-NGH. This is a intended to be a
standard for broadcasting to hand held devices, most likely based upon
the DVB-T2 standard. It's actually being developed as a mobile TV
standard, but there is no reason why it couldn't carry digital radio.
That should be very good as a digital radio standard. It seems that they
plan to have it all standardised around about the year 2013.

DVB-T2 has a mode that with a bandwidth of 1.7 Mhz, which ought to make
it suitable for Band III channels designed for DAB/DAB+. Hopefully NGH
will also have this option. Whether or not it is actually used, and
whether it is actually used for digital radio is however another matter.
I'm not especially optimistic about it as broadcasters don't seem to
like introducing new standards.

Richard E.

On 3/6/2011 3:35 PM, Richard Evans wrote:
Richard Evans wrote:

A good modern digital radio system might not fix all the problems, but
it would at least make good sound quality a feasible option.

Richard E.

Speaking of good digital radio systems, I just did a bit of searching
for information on a standard called DVB-NGH. This is a intended to be a
standard for broadcasting to hand held devices, most likely based upon
the DVB-T2 standard. It's actually being developed as a mobile TV
standard, but there is no reason why it couldn't carry digital radio.
That should be very good as a digital radio standard. It seems that they
plan to have it all standardised around about the year 2013.

DVB-T2 has a mode that with a bandwidth of 1.7 Mhz, which ought to make
it suitable for Band III channels designed for DAB/DAB+. Hopefully NGH
will also have this option. Whether or not it is actually used, and
whether it is actually used for digital radio is however another matter.
I'm not especially optimistic about it as broadcasters don't seem to
like introducing new standards.

Richard E.
Americans don't like open source and defacto standards.

On 3/6/2011 11:17 AM, dave wrote:
On 03/06/2011 06:45 AM, SMS wrote:
Everyone carrying their own content around on an iPod, SD
card, or USB stick, in order to get the content and quality they desire
may work for the listener, but it does not work too well for
broadcasters.


News is the killer app for free radio.

That's true. And what many people don't appreciate is the local aspect
of radio. Those that do appreciate it are the ones trying to move
forward to improve terrestrial radio to make it relevant. One station
that can offer a choice of different content has a big advantage over
its competition.

Ironically, one thing the web does really well is to deliver news, while
one thing it does relatively poorly is to stream music.

Watchin, but not really watchin, them thar Indiana Jones movies on the
USA channel, every once in a while there is a Walgreen's apps
commercial, and Motorola Xoom commercials too.(Dude, You are getting
'Dell'!)

Download them apps baby, y'all Zombies and Droids out there, drink your
Koolaid.

Nienty Nine point nienty nine point nienty percent of them apps, I
couldn't care less about.Everywhere I go, I see them Zombies out there
everywhere they go, pecking on those little screens of their gadgets
with their fingers, (They are ready for the Dawn of No Return!) those
MOFOs get Dumber by the minute!

I Refuse to be turned into a Zombie MOFO!
http://www.wallgreens.com/mobile
cuhulin

On 3/6/2011 7:41 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:

By far most stations have perhaps, at best, a morning and evening "drive
time" program. Other than that, the only local content seems to be
commercials. I can't say that I've heard a newscast on a (non-news/talk)
commercial station in many years. Even our AFN stations have dropped all
local content except for emergency command information. And figure that
the FM band is starting to get really crowded with sports/talk/religious
stations... and who needs to hear Rush, Jim Rome and sanctimonious self
righteous preachers in digital?

A lot of public radio stations have gone all news/commentary/talk on
analog/HD1 and moved music to HD2, often classical and jazz. It doesn't
make sense from an audio standpoint to have the music on HD2 and talk on
analog/HD1, but the market for news/commentary/talk has expanded as
listeners have switched to other ways of listening to music content. If
everyone had an HD receiver then they'd be more likely to swap where
talk and music reside.

I get Real News from Paul Gallo's and JT's radio talk shows on Super
Talk Missy Sippy.And you can too, if you tune in via your computery.

http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?...tual+Keyboards

Oh yeahhh, I wants me one of them.
cuhulin, the Virtual

On 3/6/2011 9:47 AM, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:

I'm all for digital radio but Ibiquity will screw it up. According to
their specification, the removal of analog bandwidth does not increase
the bandwidth for audio. It goes to some other unspecified use that I
can only imagine isn't for free radio. The current encoding, which is
barely good enough for interim use, remains.

As I understand the HD-FM spec, the maximum bitrate for stereo audio is
around 98kbps. Upper and Lower secondary channels replace the analog in
all-digital, and it's about the same bps, but at lower power for the
secondary channels.

So all-digital does allow for more "virtual CD" quality audio channels,
but no, you cannot combine multiple audio channels for even higher
quality audio.

The big advantage of all-digital is that raising power levels no longer
will interfere with analog, presuming all stations do a complete digital
switchover. This is many years in the future of course.