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Another Reason I don't tote, especially a smart phone, or a touch tablet
(if I owned one) or sheet like that,,, I wonder how many people are
getting knocked down every day and their toteable touch tablets get
stolen? You remember when the first iPhones came out? and somebody was
waiting by an elevator in a store in NYC.
Don't Tote!
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On Mar 7, 12:17*am, wrote:
Another Reason I don't tote, especially a smart phone, or a touch tablet
(if I owned one) or sheet like that,,, I wonder how many people are
getting knocked down every day and their toteable touch tablets get
stolen? You remember when the first iPhones came out? and somebody was
waiting by an elevator in a store in NYC.
Don't Tote!
cuhulin


Must be the i- Apple store in the GM Building .
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In article ,
SMS wrote:

So all-digital does allow for more "virtual CD" quality audio channels,
but no, you cannot combine multiple audio channels for even higher
quality audio.


Thank you for finally acknowledging that. I've only had to mention it
about five times. And YOU'RE the "expert"!

From the actual iBiquity handbook the rate is 96Kbps. There is no
"98Kbps" spec in the system. So going with the real figure, we find that
the bit rate is approximately one-fifteenth that of an ordinary CD, the
CD including forward error-correction. Amazing! "Virtual CD quality"
with seven percent of the data used by the CD. And using a ten-year-old
codec at that. You don't have to be an audio engineer to discover why
"HD Radio" sounds the way it does.

The big advantage of all-digital is that raising power levels no longer
will interfere with analog, presuming all stations do a complete digital
switchover. This is many years in the future of course.


But since there will be no improvement over the audio quality it
provides today, what does that buy you? And wait until digital start
interfering with other digital stations. Even though you're not willing
to admit it, the allocation table on the present FM band was designed
for analog, not digital.

It's a good thing it will never happen because it will never work, at
least not the way the stations expect.

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From the actual iBiquity handbook the rate is 96Kbps. There is no
"98Kbps" spec in the system. So going with the real figure, we find that
the bit rate is approximately one-fifteenth that of an ordinary CD, the
CD including forward error-correction. Amazing! "Virtual CD quality"
with seven percent of the data used by the CD. And using a ten-year-old
codec at that. You don't have to be an audio engineer to discover why
"HD Radio" sounds the way it does.


Well over here a broadcaster claims that a 64K Mono channel offers
superior sound quality thats Crystal Clear;!...

Who was it who said tell the people lies often enough and they become
the truth .. Dr Goebbels was it or someone similar?..
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On Mar 7, 4:01*am, tony sayer wrote:
From the actual iBiquity handbook the rate is 96Kbps. There is no
"98Kbps" spec in the system. So going with the real figure, we find that
the bit rate is approximately one-fifteenth that of an ordinary CD, the
CD including forward error-correction. Amazing! "Virtual CD quality"
with seven percent of the data used by the CD. And using a ten-year-old
codec at that. You don't have to be an audio engineer to discover why
"HD Radio" sounds the way it does.


Well over here a broadcaster claims that a 64K Mono channel offers
superior sound quality thats Crystal Clear;!...

Who was it who said tell the people lies often enough and they become
the truth .. Dr Goebbels was it or someone similar?..
--
Tony Sayer


Yea, it's him, I reckon .


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On 03/06/2011 07:36 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:





Preaching to the choir there... I don't bash analog radio. I believe it
should exist permanently. Too many problems with digital, not the least
of which is that it's nowhere near as robust as analog, and you have to
do too much to detect and decode it. Once you are absolutely FORCED to
buy someone's technology to listen to radio, it's no longer a true
public medium.

And once HF is all DRM, that will pretty much put an end to all that
remote listening off the power grid. Again, not robust enough. When
analog fades a bit, you can still use your ears to figure out what's
being said/played. With DRM, if it fades, it's gone. Nothing.

BTW, when I DO listen to the radio on my iPhone, I can play it for many
hours easily. I've yet to run the battery completely down on the phone
(4G). Now, talk time... THAT eats the battery pretty good... but I keep
a backup with me that plugs right into the 40 pin jack and runs the
phone for several hours of talk time. (never used it yet, either).


It depends on how close you are to the cell site. Out here in the
boonies the transceivers have to work harder.
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On 03/06/2011 08:20 PM, SMS wrote:
On 3/6/2011 7:41 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:

By far most stations have perhaps, at best, a morning and evening "drive
time" program. Other than that, the only local content seems to be
commercials. I can't say that I've heard a newscast on a (non-news/talk)
commercial station in many years. Even our AFN stations have dropped all
local content except for emergency command information. And figure that
the FM band is starting to get really crowded with sports/talk/religious
stations... and who needs to hear Rush, Jim Rome and sanctimonious self
righteous preachers in digital?


A lot of public radio stations have gone all news/commentary/talk on
analog/HD1 and moved music to HD2, often classical and jazz. It doesn't
make sense from an audio standpoint to have the music on HD2 and talk on
analog/HD1, but the market for news/commentary/talk has expanded as
listeners have switched to other ways of listening to music content. If
everyone had an HD receiver then they'd be more likely to swap where
talk and music reside.


KPFT is now carrying KTRU on an HD2 stream. Rice sold KTRU's frequency
to the University of Houston for a classical station.
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On 03/07/2011 01:01 AM, tony sayer wrote:
From the actual iBiquity handbook the rate is 96Kbps. There is no
"98Kbps" spec in the system. So going with the real figure, we find that
the bit rate is approximately one-fifteenth that of an ordinary CD, the
CD including forward error-correction. Amazing! "Virtual CD quality"
with seven percent of the data used by the CD. And using a ten-year-old
codec at that. You don't have to be an audio engineer to discover why
"HD Radio" sounds the way it does.


Well over here a broadcaster claims that a 64K Mono channel offers
superior sound quality thats Crystal Clear;!...

Who was it who said tell the people lies often enough and they become
the truth .. Dr Goebbels was it or someone similar?..


64K mono would be about as crystal clear as 128 stereo, no? That's
crystal clear to most people. I listen to 32 K web streams which are
great for all but most critical applications.
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