On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 08:14:31 -0700, dave wrote:

On 04/04/2011 07:03 AM, Sancho Panza wrote:
On 4/4/2011 8:57 AM, dave wrote:
On 04/03/2011 11:23 PM, Jarbidge wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 22:02:47 -0700, Curt wrote:



I saw it too. The State Department is apparently satisfied that he's
a citz.

Curt

Low threshold of proof...again....

As they are the ones who issue passports their threshold is good
enough for me.

You don't need a U.S. birth certificate to obtain a U.S. passport.

I needed one. They rubbed it.

Others, not so much:

http://rt.com/usa/news/fake-papers-c...passport-even-
after-9-11/

A report issued by the Congressional Government Accounting Office reveals
shocking details of how easily one can get a genuine American passport by
applying using falsified documents at a passport office.

A draft of this report was obtained by The Associated Press.

A government investigator, in order to check the security in post-9/11
America, used documents, among others, from a child and a man who died
over 40 years ago to obtain a passport – and succeeded in all his
attempts.

After the 2001 terrorist attacks, security expenses in the US
skyrocketed. Passport security was among many that were a particular
focus since the suicide terrorists that attacked the WTC and Pentagon
used fraudulent driver’s licenses to board the planes.

Now it looks like, to put it mildly, the measures taken were insufficient
and over the past seven years U.S. officials have learned nothing about
passport security and fraudulent documents.

How he did it

The investigator made four attempts to get a passport using a combination
of fake documents and was granted a new passport in all four cases.

In one case, a combination of a Social Security number of a man who died
in 1965, together with both a fake New York birth certificate and a
Florida driver's license, made it possible to get an American passport in
just four days.

Investigators gave it another try by providing the personal information
of a 5-year-old boy to the passport application office, while pretending
to be a 53-year old. He got his new passport in seven days.

The third time he made a two-step operation. He started by obtaining a
genuine Washington D.C. identity card using fake documents – and he did
it. Then he used the card to be issued a new passport in one day.

The final time the investigator used a forged New York birth certificate
along with a fake West Virginia driver's license to complete an
application for a passport which took a little more than a week – just
eight days – for him to receive.

It is unnecessary to mention that fake passports from almost any country
have a great value to the parties involved, from criminals to terrorists.

The U.S. intelligence officials from Immigration and Customs Enforcement
state in the report that a badly forged American passport costs about
$300 on the black market while the value of a top-quality forgery could
be as high as $5000.

On 4/4/2011 11:14 AM, dave wrote:
On 04/04/2011 07:03 AM, Sancho Panza wrote:
On 4/4/2011 8:57 AM, dave wrote:
On 04/03/2011 11:23 PM, Jarbidge wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 22:02:47 -0700, Curt wrote:



I saw it too. The State Department is apparently satisfied that he's a
citz.

Curt

Low threshold of proof...again....

As they are the ones who issue passports their threshold is good enough
for me.

You don't need a U.S. birth certificate to obtain a U.S. passport.

I needed one. They rubbed it.

That could be because of who you are. But naturalized citizens who
obtain U.S. passports can in now way have U.S. birth certificates.

On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 08:51:03 -0700, JLS wrote:

On Apr 4, 11:14Â*am, dave wrote:
On 04/04/2011 07:03 AM, Sancho Panza wrote:





On 4/4/2011 8:57 AM, dave wrote:
On 04/03/2011 11:23 PM, Jarbidge wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 22:02:47 -0700, Curt wrote:

I saw it too. The State Department is apparently satisfied that
he's a citz.

Curt

Low threshold of proof...again....

As they are the ones who issue passports their threshold is good
enough for me.

You don't need a U.S. birth certificate to obtain a U.S. passport.

I needed one. They rubbed it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In order to make official seal impressions visible our clerks and deeds
registry folks, such as Gladys Worley, Jo Corn, or Elizabeth Digges,
smeared the impression with black ink so that it would show up when
photocopied for recording in the books held in the locked vaults at the
courthouse, and on microfiche. Now these official documents are all
digitized to save cramped courthouses a little space, but paper
documents are still indispensable. After time- stamping and recording
the original instrument, complete with the smears, is then returned to
the homeowner, lienholder, testator, trustor, or . . .

So many birthers, so much inbreeding and stupidity. Neanderthal DNA yet
lives! You just cannot school that neanderthal DNA. It's dumb as an
ox.

Does not explain why Obama refuses to release his long form.

Or why Abercrombie went silent...

Nice spin though.

http://www.infowars.com/abercrombie-...iscover-obama-
birth-certificate/

Veteran reporter Mike Evans has described in a radio interview how Hawaii
Governor and close friend Neil Abercrombie was shocked at his failure to
discover Obama’s birth certificate after using his power to search
hospital records, an outcome that could seriously impact President Obama’s
re-election campaign.

“Now he admits publicly that there is no birth certificate,� said Evans
of Abercrombie.

On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:08:00 -0400, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 4/4/2011 9:03 AM, ExtremeRatSpending wrote:

he [Obama] appears to be on vacation all the time

Yeah, it's not like W. Bush doesn't hold the modern ALL TIME RECORD for
being away from the White House.

Yeah, it's not like Crawford wasn't the White House West, you stupid
libitard hack.

Oh, they weren't flying lobster in with Putin either, were they?

On Apr 4, 12:58*pm, Jarbidge wrote:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 08:51:03 -0700, JLS wrote:
On Apr 4, 11:14*am, dave wrote:
On 04/04/2011 07:03 AM, Sancho Panza wrote:

On 4/4/2011 8:57 AM, dave wrote:
On 04/03/2011 11:23 PM, Jarbidge wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 22:02:47 -0700, Curt wrote:

I saw it too. The State Department is apparently satisfied that
he's a citz.

Curt

Low threshold of proof...again....

As they are the ones who issue passports their threshold is good
enough for me.

You don't need a U.S. birth certificate to obtain a U.S. passport.

I needed one. They rubbed it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In order to make official seal impressions visible our clerks and deeds
registry folks, such as Gladys Worley, Jo Corn, or Elizabeth Digges,
smeared the impression with black ink so that it would show up when
photocopied for recording in the books held in the locked vaults at the
courthouse, and on microfiche. *Now these official documents are all
digitized to save cramped courthouses a little space, but paper
documents are still indispensable. *After time- stamping and recording
the original instrument, complete with the smears, is then returned to
the homeowner, lienholder, testator, trustor, or . . .

So many birthers, so much inbreeding and stupidity. *Neanderthal DNA yet
lives! *You just cannot school that neanderthal DNA. *It's dumb as an
ox.

Does not explain why Obama refuses to release his long form.

Or why Abercrombie went silent...

Nice spin though.

http://www.infowars.com/abercrombie-...iscover-obama-
birth-certificate/

Veteran reporter Mike Evans has described in a radio interview how Hawaii
Governor and close friend Neil Abercrombie was shocked at his failure to
discover Obama’s birth certificate after using his power to search
hospital records, an outcome that could seriously impact President Obama’s
re-election campaign.

“Now he admits publicly that there is no birth certificate,” said Evans
of Abercrombie.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Be careful what you ask for, jarbutt. BTW, magpie conspiracy
theorist, stash away a hundred-dollar bill if you can muster it. Your
time is coming.

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/birth-...st-revised/123

On Apr 4, 9:03*am, ExtremeRatSpending wrote:
On 4/4/2011 8:56 AM, dave wrote:

On 04/03/2011 10:02 PM, Curt wrote:

I saw it too. The State Department is apparently satisfied that he's a
citz.

Curt

It's obvious he is 100% All-American by the way he dresses on vacation.
He is way too dorky to be anything else.

he appears to be on vacation all the time

Apparently he is so happy he survived the filth and muck of DC
politics for over 2 years ! May be there is a 'monica' or an
'obamagate ' in the works . . .

On Apr 4, 12:20*pm, Jarbidge wrote:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 05:57:17 -0700, dave wrote:
On 04/03/2011 11:23 PM, Jarbidge wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 22:02:47 -0700, Curt wrote:

I saw it too. The State Department is apparently satisfied that he's a
citz.

Curt

Low threshold of proof...again....

As they are the ones who issue passports their threshold is good enough
for me.

Never seen a bad-papered one, fool?

http://rt.com/usa/news/fake-papers-c...can-passport-e...
after-9-11/

A report issued by the Congressional Government Accounting Office reveals
shocking details of how easily one can get a genuine American passport by
applying using falsified documents at a passport office.

A draft of this report was obtained by The Associated Press.

A government investigator, in order to check the security in post-9/11
America, used documents, among others, from a child and a man who died
over 40 years ago to obtain a passport – and succeeded in all his
attempts.

After the 2001 terrorist attacks, security expenses in the US
skyrocketed. Passport security was among many that were a particular
focus since the suicide terrorists that attacked the WTC and Pentagon
used fraudulent driver’s licenses to board the planes.

Now it looks like, to put it mildly, the measures taken were insufficient
and over the past seven years U.S. officials have learned nothing about
passport security and fraudulent documents.

How he did it

The investigator made four attempts to get a passport using a combination
of fake documents and was granted a new passport in all four cases.

In one case, a combination of a Social Security number of a man who died
in 1965, together with both a fake New York birth certificate and a
Florida driver's license, made it possible to get an American passport in
just four days.

Investigators gave it another try by providing the personal information
of a 5-year-old boy to the passport application office, while pretending
to be a 53-year old. He got his new passport in seven days.

The third time he made a two-step operation. He started by obtaining a
genuine Washington D.C. identity card using fake documents – and he did
it. Then he used the card to be issued a new passport in one day.

The final time the investigator used a forged New York birth certificate
along with a fake West Virginia driver's license to complete an
application for a passport which took a little more than a week – just
eight days – for him to receive.

It is unnecessary to mention that fake passports from almost any country
have a great value to the parties involved, from criminals to terrorists.

The U.S. intelligence officials from Immigration and Customs Enforcement
state in the report that a badly forged American passport costs about
$300 on the black market while the value of a top-quality forgery could
be as high as $5000.

Do you trust everything that Russian TV (ministry of Propaganda by
Putin , an ex-Lieutenant-Colonel of KGB) claims as a true and reliable
source ?

On Apr 4, 1:11*pm, Jarbidge wrote:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:08:00 -0400, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 4/4/2011 9:03 AM, ExtremeRatSpending wrote:

he [Obama] appears to be on vacation all the time

Yeah, it's not like W. Bush doesn't hold the modern ALL TIME RECORD for
being away from the White House.

Yeah, it's not like Crawford wasn't the White House West, you stupid
libitard hack.

Oh, they weren't flying lobster in with Putin either, were they?

Never heard of a 'flying lobster' before . Aren't the ones caught at
Kennebunkport of Maine good enough ?

Sancho Panza wrote:

On 4/4/2011 8:57 AM, dave wrote:

On 04/03/2011 11:23 PM, Jarbidge wrote:

On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 22:02:47 -0700, Curt wrote:



I saw it too. The State Department is apparently satisfied that he's a
citz.

Curt


Low threshold of proof...again....

As they are the ones who issue passports their threshold is good enough
for me.

You don't need a U.S. birth certificate to obtain a U.S. passport.

Well, either that or a Naturalization Cerificate.

In the absense of any evidence of naturalization, I think we can safely
assume that a US birth certificate was presented.

peace and justice,

On 4/4/2011 4:08 PM, Bill Shatzer wrote:
Sancho Panza wrote:

On 4/4/2011 8:57 AM, dave wrote:

On 04/03/2011 11:23 PM, Jarbidge wrote:

On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 22:02:47 -0700, Curt wrote:



I saw it too. The State Department is apparently satisfied that he's a
citz.

Curt


Low threshold of proof...again....

As they are the ones who issue passports their threshold is good enough
for me.

You don't need a U.S. birth certificate to obtain a U.S. passport.

Well, either that or a Naturalization Cerificate.

In the absense of any evidence of naturalization, I think we can safely
assume that a US birth certificate was presented.

You're making quite a presumption on blind faith (or hope). AFAIK, there
has not been a FOIA or cognate request for a check of those papers.