On Apr 21, 7:39*pm, Colanth wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:57:27 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

"The document posted on the web alleged to be and wrongly referred to as
Obama’s birth certificate is titled CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, and
only certifies a baby was born. The purpose of the Certification is to
provide documentation for those babies and children who do not have a
real birth certificate because they were born at home or outside the
country without benefit of a hospital or doctor. When there is no proof
of hospital or doctor it proves nothing, just the information attested
to by the person filling out the application for a certified document.
This is one of the biggest lies promulgated by people ignorant of the
facts such as Bill O’Reilly and Megyn Kelly of FOX who continue to claim
that what is posted on the internet is the real deal."

- Where is there a problem, though?
- If he was born in Kenya,
- USC Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, Par. 1401 (e)
- http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht..._08_00001401--...
- applies, and he's still a natural born citizen.
-*"nationals and citizens of the United States
- at birth" means "natural born citizen as far
- as the law is concerned.
-*One is naturally a citizen at birth - a natural born citizen.
*(Birthers confuse natural born citizen - which
- one must be to be president - with native-born,
- which appears nowhere in the Constitution,
- the law or court precedent.)

Oops - The Words {Wording} are 'in' the US Constitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Constitution
"The President must be a 'natural born citizen' of the United States"

*WRT* the "Natural Born [US] Citizen" Clause
of the US Constitution
The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural...Citizen_Clause

On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 22:33:48 -0700 (PDT), RHF
wrote:

Oops - The Words {Wording} are 'in' the US Constitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Constitution
"The President must be a 'natural born citizen' of the United States"

Unfortunately for your argument, Wikipedia isn't precedential.
(Bringing it up as evidence in the SCOTUS could get an attorney
disbarred - or involuntarily committed.)

Obama Would Not Be Eligible To Be A Natural Born Citizen !
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

The law, USC Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, Par. 1401
(e)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...1----000-.html

has never been challenged, so it still stands as the definitive law.
Feel free to bring suit (if you can show standing - the SCOTUS has so
far found no one with standing) but, as of this moment, the way the
law works USC 18 still rules. Ask an attorney if you don't believe
me. I've cited it in full, so you shouldn't have a problem.
--
"The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature
shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings
shall rule it by fictitious miracles?" - John Adams, letter to Thomas
Jefferson, June 20, 1815

On 4/22/2011 1:09 PM, Colanth wrote:

--
"The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature
shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings
shall rule it by fictitious miracles?" - John Adams, letter to Thomas
Jefferson, June 20, 1815


I think that is great, citing the supreme court, if I am not mistaken
some ruling of theirs also makes it mandatory that both parents of the
person in question must have been American citizens at the childs' birth ...

I don't believe obamas' father (probably the one he claims, maybe not)
was NOT an American citizen ... and, I don't think he ever applied nor
became an American citizen ...

Great job of disinformation and attempting to divert argument/debate ...

However, the Constitution STILL requires proof obama was a natural born
citizen, or born on American soil ... most likely, American territories,
possessions, military bases, etc. would also be deemed satisfactory
under close scrutiny ...

and, obama fails on these, all of them, and more ...

Even worse, even IF obama HAD BEEN born an American citizen ... his
schooling in indonesia would have required him to have given up his
American citizenship and to have reapplied for citizenship when he
returned to his country ... I doubt he ever made that application ...
but, worse yet, even if he did, he would still be in question as to his
eligibility as president ...

We stand at the very tip of the iceberg on obama with the "birther"
argument in its' present state ...

This is why to even let the question into court is certain death for obama!

I think Corsis' book also will cover all this ... YOU REALLY WILL NEED
TO READ THAT BOOK!

Regards,
JS

On Apr 22, 1:09*pm, Colanth wrote:

- - On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 22:33:48 -0700 (PDT), RHF
- - wrote:
- - Oops - The Words {Wording} are 'in' the US Constitution.
- - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Constitution
- - "The President must be a 'natural born citizen' of the United
States"

- Unfortunately for your argument, Wikipedia isn't precedential.
- (Bringing it up as evidence in the SCOTUS could get an attorney
- disbarred - or involuntarily committed.)

Speaking of being DisBarred or being Force to Give-Up
Your Law License : Why Did Barack Obama ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...c257e020b42518

-read- ? Where's the Birth Certificate?: "The Case
That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible To Be President"
the new tell-it-all book by Jerome Corsi
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936488299/
Yeah - President Obama is Already Feeling The Heat
from Corsi's New Tell-It-All Book
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...86cb7e65ff5417

On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:19:19 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

I think that is great, citing the supreme court, if I am not mistaken
some ruling of theirs also makes it mandatory that both parents of the
person in question must have been American citizens at the childs' birth ...

In one particular case, that was part of one opinion.

However, the Constitution STILL requires proof obama was a natural born
citizen

No more proof than any of the other 43 who came before him. No less
proof, but no more proof either. And AIR he's the only president who
published ANY copy of his birth certificate.

or born on American soil

That's not sufficient - one has to also be subject to the jurisdiction
of the US. (For instance, a diplomat's child, born in the US while the
diplomat is serving here, isn't a citizen.)

and, obama fails on these, all of them, and more ...

Not on having one parent a citizen who'd spent at least 5 years on US
soil. His mother was born in Wichita, and spent most of her life here
before he was born.

Even worse, even IF obama HAD BEEN born an American citizen ... his
schooling in indonesia would have required him to have given up his
American citizenship

Not by US law if he was a child. You can't renounce citizenship until
you're 21. Your parents can't renounce it for you.
--
"Never assume the obvious is true." - William Safire

On Apr 23, 11:14*am, Colanth wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 22:21:25 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

On 4/22/2011 6:31 PM, Colanth wrote:

...

Then we agree.

Now we only need to force it into court and have it heard before the
people with the reasons for the final decision out in the open ... once
he is proven, to Constitutional standards, to be an American citizen
there will be no problem and all this will halt ...

All you'd need is one person with standing. *And, AFAIK, the Court
doesn't see anyone with standing.

Colanth - Ah One Person {Legal} With Standing !

How About 50 or More Persons All With "Legal-Standing" :
One in each and every US County ...and... Forming a
Democrat Voters Class Action Across a State !

How About 50 Separate and Independent State Class
Actions by Registered Democratic Voters Across the
whole Nation : Yes one in each and every US State . . .
-hint- Raising-the-Question : Is Obama Legal ?
-and- Creating Voter Doubt : Is Obama Qualified ?
-plus- Asking... HAS OBAMA DONE A GOOD JOB ? ? ?
-therefore- Influencing the Voters by 1%,,, 2%... 3% ! ! !
1% voter shift may not change the election,,,
2% Voter shift might change the Election...
3% Voter Shift Will Change The Election ! ! !

Next time put an American black man on the ballot and take your loss.

Or tell the Kenyan the word, transparency applies to his own Nazi dictator
wannabe self.

Better yet, dont vote for a sharp dressed pimp lawyer so stupid to not
think Constitutionally eligable matters.

And he who hides his **** has a damn good reason too

Hes a ****ing criminal trying to overthrow America.

Most U.S.Judges have NO Idea what the United States Constitution is all
about.They have never even read it before.
cuhulin

On 4/24/2011 8:07 AM, wrote:
Most U.S.Judges have NO Idea what the United States Constitution is all
about.They have never even read it before.
cuhulin


The faulty decisions and way the run their court rooms, like a mafia
meeting, certainly bears evidence for that conclusion!

Regards,
JS