On 6/4/2011 6:01 PM, joeturn wrote:

The Jesuits are in command of all the governments and controll the
media/news groups,Education,FBI,CIA ect...

No kidding, the Jesuits, eh?

And all these years, I thought it was the Illuminati...or the Jews...or
the...

So now the Catholics get their turn in the barrel.

Anyway, I am glad you are practicing "Equal Opportunity".

Right now, 102 degrees inside my flower box on doggy's front porch.I
worked in my attic and I mowed my yard.I am boint out.It's a 'HEATER'
out there.
cuhulin

On Jun 4, 7:24*pm, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 6/4/2011 6:01 PM, joeturn wrote:

The Jesuits are in command of all the governments and controll the
media/news groups,Education,FBI,CIA ect...

No kidding, the Jesuits, eh?

And all these years, I thought it was the Illuminati...or the Jews...or
the...

So now the Catholics get their turn in the barrel.

Anyway, I am glad you are practicing "Equal Opportunity".

It is O.J . Orrange Juice !

On Jun 3, 9:34*pm, joeturn wrote:
On Jun 3, wrote:



On Jun 3, 4:21*am, joeturn wrote:

On Jun 3, 12:42*am, "Scout"

wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 3, 12:39 wrote:
On Jun 2, 10:35 pm, wrote:

On Jun 2, 12:51 am, joeturn wrote:

On Jun 1, 11:37 pm, joeturn wrote:

On Jun 1, 11:13 pm, wrote:

On Jun 1, 11:01 pm, joeturn wrote:

On May 6, 3:32 pm, Jah Wobble wrote:

John Smith wrote:
On 5/6/2011 11:22 AM, John Smith wrote:

*...
Burnt off in 15 minutes!
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!

...

Well, I am with you, I frequently laugh at anything
FEMA/NIST says, also
...

However, I do believe they are right on, at least, this
single point:

"It is highly unlikely that jet fuel was present to
generate such
explosions especially on lower floors, and long after the
planes hit the
buildings. Dr. Shyam Sunder, Lead Investigator for NIST
stated: "The jet
fuel probably burned out in less than 10 minutes.” (Field,
2005) *On the
other hand, pre-positioned explosives provide a plausible
and simple
explanation for the observations, satisfying Occam’s razor
(Jones,
2005). *Thus, it cannot be said that “no evidence” can be
found for the
use of explosives. *This serious matter needs to be treated
as a
plausible scientific hypothesis and thoroughly
investigated."

Fire up google and see how many disagree with Dr. Shyam
Sunder!

Like you, he is a retard if you think we tossed the trade
center, the
pentagon, and the plane in PA, faked the moon landing, and
etc..
* Yer a retard, get over it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So you believe in fairy tales? Man has never survived a trip to
the
moon.You saw the lunar modual on TV(just like the cartooned
planes
hitting the buildings),now explain how they docked the lunar
modual
and got into the splash down modual!

Its television not reality!

We tossed the Titanic,the Lusiatania,the Murrah Building,Pearl
Harbor,ect why not the rest?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What cartooned planes are you referring to ?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The planes on TV that noone at the scene saw .The ones they
spliced(overlayed) onto the live feeds on 911 at the precise momets
to
hoodwink the audience into believing they were real! A few live
feeds
did not have the overlay and published the view without planes!
They
even hologramed the south tower plane hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek-Q0T9wK2g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXr_s...ted-Hidequoted...
-

- Show quoted text -

Also notice the sound of the plane in flight keeps playing after it
crashes as if it has not been effected by the sudden stop.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The sound of the plane keeps playing ? What are talking about ??? Why
do you propagate disinformation ???

Because he is a liar. That's what liars do.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That is very poor alibi .

Yea, but he's a very poor liar too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is because I have never lied!

WrongTurnJoe, you have ONLY lied!!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem is you cant proove I've lied everything,

Are you on drugs, WrongTurnJoe? Huh? I've ALREADY proven that
everything you've said is a lie

On Jun 4, 7:16*pm, joeturn wrote:
On Jun 4, 12:50*am, wrote:





On Jun 3, 6:31*am, joeturn wrote:

On Jun 3, 12:46*am, wrote:

On Jun 3, 12:42*am, "Scout"

wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 3, 12:39 am, Iarnrod wrote:
On Jun 2, 10:35 pm, wrote:

On Jun 2, 12:51 am, joeturn wrote:

On Jun 1, 11:37 pm, joeturn wrote:

On Jun 1, 11:13 pm, wrote:

On Jun 1, 11:01 pm, joeturn wrote:

On May 6, 3:32 pm, Jah Wobble wrote:

John Smith wrote:
On 5/6/2011 11:22 AM, John Smith wrote:

*...
Burnt off in 15 minutes!
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!

...

Well, I am with you, I frequently laugh at anything
FEMA/NIST says, also
...

However, I do believe they are right on, at least, this
single point:

"It is highly unlikely that jet fuel was present to
generate such
explosions especially on lower floors, and long after the
planes hit the
buildings. Dr. Shyam Sunder, Lead Investigator for NIST
stated: "The jet
fuel probably burned out in less than 10 minutes..” (Field,
2005) *On the
other hand, pre-positioned explosives provide a plausible
and simple
explanation for the observations, satisfying Occam’s razor
(Jones,
2005). *Thus, it cannot be said that “no evidence” can be
found for the
use of explosives. *This serious matter needs to be treated
as a
plausible scientific hypothesis and thoroughly
investigated."

Fire up google and see how many disagree with Dr.. Shyam
Sunder!

Like you, he is a retard if you think we tossed the trade
center, the
pentagon, and the plane in PA, faked the moon landing, and
etc..
* Yer a retard, get over it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So you believe in fairy tales? Man has never survived a trip to
the
moon.You saw the lunar modual on TV(just like the cartooned
planes
hitting the buildings),now explain how they docked the lunar
modual
and got into the splash down modual!

Its television not reality!

We tossed the Titanic,the Lusiatania,the Murrah Building,Pearl
Harbor,ect why not the rest?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What cartooned planes are you referring to ?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The planes on TV that noone at the scene saw .The ones they
spliced(overlayed) onto the live feeds on 911 at the precise momets
to
hoodwink the audience into believing they were real! A few live
feeds
did not have the overlay and published the view without planes!
They
even hologramed the south tower plane hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek-Q0T9wK2g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXr_s...ted-Hidequoted...
-

- Show quoted text -

Also notice the sound of the plane in flight keeps playing after it
crashes as if it has not been effected by the sudden stop.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The sound of the plane keeps playing ? What are talking about ??? Why
do you propagate disinformation ???

Because he is a liar. That's what liars do.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That is very poor alibi .

Yea, but he's a very poor liar too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That was quite obvious right away !- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When you finally except that Christopher Columbus was a sham and realy
Vlad *I *SLAVE *the 4th,you wil be ready for reality.
Command sense will kick in and you will slowly awaken from your
trance!

The CIA monarh project,HAARPs mind altering EMFs,Monsantos genetically
altered foods,poisons sprayed by Chemtrails and hitlers flouride in
your drinking water has taken its toll on you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm afraid I just don't follow your train of thought . Shall we go
back and determine and ascertain who is this Vlad I slave the 4th ?- Hide quoted text -

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He was non other than Chistopher Columbus. Vlad was his name and I
SLAVE was his game.- Hide quoted text -

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Nice verses . Sounds kind of sado-masochistic though , oh well . . .

"Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the
prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York
and Washington, denied any role ...

"The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being
behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent
attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for
personal reasons..." bin Laden's statement said."

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/u...-omar?_s=PM:US

"If a group of people made a public statement saying that having a new Pearl Harbor would
be the only way the public would support their agenda, and these same people were in
positions that would allow them to conduct, permit or enable such an event when that event
actually took place...would they deserve your suspicion? Well this is EXACTLY what
happened. The very people with established motives for conducting an event like the one
that took place on 9/11/2001 were responsible for national security when we had that most
unlikely, unrealistic and implausible complete catastrophic failure of every single
defense procedure in operation."

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/smoking_gun.html

Those not involved in a crime would have
no reason to lie about it.

A competent adult would wonder why
anyone would lie about a crime.

Bush and Cheney lied about 9/11.

ObL denied involvement in 9/11.

Bush and Cheney never did.

On Mon, 16 May 2011 19:46:21 -0700 (PDT), "Craves Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass"
failed, flailed and foamed in impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

... admitted
doing 9/11 ...

You got duped by a fake video.

You'd be ashamed of that if you could pause to consider reality.

http://www.standdown.net/

The Bush crime family of treacherous wimps has
never been on the same side as the USA.

ObL couldn't affect the USA's air defense system.

Cheney did.

""The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind
every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks,
which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons,"
bin Laden's statement said."

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/u...-omar?_s=PM:US

Yes, the bushkultie is so stupid as to believe faked videos and
disregard direct statements to authentic news organizations.

Can't expect a bushkultie to understand geometry, either:

"the angle was nearly perpendicular, between zero and four degrees.
Somehow, NIST and their associates missed by ten full degrees"

http://911conspiracy.wordpress.com/2...peaks-volumes/

Notice that the bushkultie must ignore this fact, too.

On Wed, 11 May 2011 19:55:30 -0700 (PDT), "Craves Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass"
failed, flailed and foamed in impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

...admitted anal-sex-loving homosexual bushkultie
shill ... Hates US ... foamed... impotent kooker rage:
...have to run away ... can't name one...

You do have problems.

Of course you can't name one item of admissible evidence
that would exculpate your neocon idols, bushkultie.

...cannot NAME ONE...

Of course you can't name one item of admissible evidence
that would exculpate your neocon idols, bushkultie.

So what's your excuse for your inability to insist on a valid
trial for the most horrific crime of this millenium to date?

kooker...

That is your best excuse.

...Hates US

Of course you hate America when you insist that those
who murder Americans should not be prosecuted
according to the rule of law.

Notice that you can't name one thing that would be
admissible evidence against the scapegoat chosen
by your fascist masters.

... run away again without NAMING ONE THING ...

As always.

Still.

Of course you can't name one item of admissible evidence
that would exculpate your neocon idols, bushkultie.

Not one ...

Of course you can't name one item of admissible evidence
that would exculpate your neocon idols, bushkultie.

The bushkultie has no admissible evidence, and doesn't even know what it is.

On Mon, 9 May 2011 05:03:39 -0700 (PDT), "Craves Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass"
failed, flailed and foamed in impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

... admitted
doing 9/11...

Had you any evidence for that which would stand up in court?

cricket.wav

... run away again ...

You always do.

The bushkultie doesn't believe in actual admissible evidence.

The bushworshipper is so uncivilized as to prefer
assassinations to trials.

It's not difficult to fool a bushkultie.

The bushworshipper has been tricked repeatedly.

The bushkultie is pitied, while a useful example.

The bushkultie is a mere dupe.

The bushworshipper was fooled easily by faked videos.

Others could see the discrepancies quite clearly.

The real perps were 'incompetent' all the way to their
offshore accounts.

The claim of "incompetence" is ludicrous.

"...incompetence cannot explain the suppression of efforts to prevent the attacks."

http://www.oilempire.us/911.html

Nobody had the means/motive/opportunity of Bush and Cheney.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:51:25 -0700 (PDT), Schiffner wrote:

ROTFLMAO...

Normal healthy people don't find anything about 9/11 to be amusing.

... one stupid wife beating child raping idiot. SO
****ing stupid...... sack of ignorance, hate and
stupidity.

It's not about you.

On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 21:45:17 -0700 (PDT), Schiffner wrote:

... I'lll ...[sic] ****s haven't a clue...**** ...

You do have problems.

On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:10:15 -0700 (PDT), all alone on another Saturday night, "Craves
Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass" failed, flailed and foamed in impotent
bushkultie kooker rage:

... hero Bush ...

You do have problems.

The precedent of allowing/aiding/abetting attacks to
'justify' wars and war crimes is rather apparent:

On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 17:52:50 -0700 (PDT), all alone on another Friday night, "Craves
Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass" failed, flailed and foamed in
impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

... anal-sex-craving ...

You do have problems.

9/11 was an inside job.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:42:29 -0700 (PDT), "Craves Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass"
failed, flailed and foamed in impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

... inability to NAME ONE ...

Of course you can't name even one person who gained more
from 9/11 than Bush and Cheney.

No one had the means, motive, or opportunity for 9/11
that Bush and Cheney had.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 05:33:29 -0700 (PDT), "Craves Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass"
failed, flailed and foamed in impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

... avoid dealing with the
reality ...

Of course you do.

You don't have one contradictory fact.

All this remains undisputed, of course:

http://www.911sharethetruth.com/links.htm

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:43:21 -0700 (PDT), "Craves Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass"
failed, flailed and foamed in impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

... inability...

You do have problems. That was already obvious.

The bushkultie has to pretend this never happened, too:

"Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect
in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role"

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/u...-omar?_s=PM:US

The bushkultie hasn't contacted CNN to demand a retraction.


See also:

Huge problems with the NIST report:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/offi...ist/index.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index_0.98.html

See also:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle15970.htm

And:

http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/91..._911_Cover-Up/

Notice that the bushworshipper is forced to
pretend that this isn't public knowledge.

No one is there to tell the bushkultie that Bush
and Cheney aren't really nice guys.

Too bad the bushkultie is so isolated from reality.

The bushkultie sits all alone, all weekend, with
nothing to do but attempt, feebly, to defend
traitors and war criminals.

All alone without anyone else willing to spend any time with the poor ugly old hag, On
Friday night, 11 Mar 2011 20:23:00 -0800 (PST), the anal-sex-craving rightarded
here Bush Hates US foamed in impotent kooker rage:

... inability to NAME ONE...

Of course you can't name one person with more means, motive, or opportunity
for 9/11 than Bush and Cheney.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 05:20:30 -0800 (PST), Iarnrod wrote:

... anal-sex-craving rightarded... impotent kooker...must not be thinking...

You do have problems. It's not about you, though.

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 06:10:59 -0800 (PST), "Craves Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass"
failed, flailed and foamed in impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

... very amusing, I ....

You're a laughingstock, though also pitied.

It's not about you, though.

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:07:11 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton" failed:

...my_ killfile !!!

You imagine anyone cares?

How absurd.

Meanwhile:

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 13:51:36 -0800 (PST), Schiffner wrote:

... adn ... scared ...
... still a coward and a needle dicked liar.

It's not about you, though.

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:59:49 -0800 (PST), Matt Wiser wrote:

...never thought ...

You seem unable to do that.

Here - learn some real history:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p431_Lutton.html
http://www.aim.org/aim-report/aim-re...-harbor-smear/
http://www.cnrs-scrn.org/northern_ma...11_2_1to17.pdf

"If a group of people made a public statement saying that having a new Pearl Harbor would
be the only way the public would support their agenda, and these same people were in
positions that would allow them to conduct, permit or enable such an event when that event
actually took place...would they deserve your suspicion? Well this is EXACTLY what
happened. The very people with established motives for conducting an event like the one
that took place on 9/11/2001 were responsible for national security when we had that most
unlikely, unrealistic and implausible complete catastrophic failure of every single
defense procedure in operation."

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/smoking_gun.html

The Japanese weren't permitted to surrender when they were ready to do so.

That was in order to intimidate the Soviets via the gratuitous use of the bomb.

It helps to understand the real situation, including that of Pearl Harbor.

The US goaded Japan into attacking, and then let the attack occur despite warnings of it,
indeed even made itself more vulnerable to that attack than it should have. The US
government at that time wanted to gain public support for war, and 'improve trade' in the
east. They accomplished that, but threw in the added threat to everybody else by
escalating to the use of nuclear bombs on civilians, when many who knew a great deal about
the situation considered that excessive.

"The duty officer at U.S. Asiatic Fleet headquarters in Manila first received
word of the Pearl Harbor attack at 0230 on 8 December 1941, but a full hour passed before
Brig. Gen. Richard K. Sutherland, MacArthur's chief of staff, heard the news from
commercial broadcasts. He immediately notified MacArthur and all commanders that a state
of war now existed with Japan. MacArthur ordered his troops to battle stations.

Despite this warning, when the Japanese pilots of the 11th Air Fleet attacked Clark Field
nine hours later, they caught two squadrons of B-17s lined up on the field and a number of
American fighters just preparing to take off. The first wave of twenty-seven Japanese
twin-engine bombers achieved complete tactical surprise and destroyed most of the American
heavy bombers. A second bomber strike followed while Zero fighters strafed the field. Only
three P-40s managed to take off. A simultaneous attack on Iba Field in northwest Luzon was
also successful: all but two of the 3d Squadron's P-40s were destroyed. The Far East Air
Force lost fully half its planes the first day of the war. ..."

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/brochures/pi/pi.htm

Were you unaware that Japan was *provoked* into that attack? The US froze Japanese assets
(treaty violation) and embargoed their oil. Roosevelt was tired of supplying only
materials to the war, and he saw Japan as the easiest way in, via an attack on US soil.

Why did Roosevelt order the pacific fleet to relocate from the west coast to Hawaii in the
summer of 1940? Why was the commander, Admiral Richardson, removed after complaining that
Pearl Harbor didn't offer sufficient air or topedo defense?

Didn't Roosevelt receive a memo in the fall of 1940, from a Navy analyst, describing eight
ways to force Japan to attack the US (one of them an oil embargo), and all of them
eventually implemented? Didn't Roosevelt's advisor Ickes tell him that an oil embargo
would be an "easy" way to get into the war, the day after Hitler attacked Russia in the
summer of 1941?

"President Franklin D. Roosevelt wanted to enter the war in Europe, especially
after the fall of France (June 1940). In this desire he was supported by the old elite ...
After meeting FDR at the Atlantic Conference (August 14, 1941) Churchill noted the
"astonishing depth of Roosevelt's intense desire for war." But there was a problem: the
President could not overcome the resistance to
"Europe's war" felt by most Americans and their elected representatives.

The mood of the country was a problem, and Roosevelt therefore resorted to subterfuge. He
systematically and deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking the United States.
His real target was Hitler: Roosevelt expected the German dictator to abide by the
Tripartite Pact and declare war on America, and hoped that Hitler's decision would be
facilitated by a display of America's apparent vulnerability. Accordingly, even though
Roosevelt was well aware of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor ..."

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a3522a943db.html

The US Army Signal Intelligence Service had cracked the Japanese codes before December of
1941. Although a British obsession with secrecy allowed the US to claim it had first
deciphered JN25, it was actually done first by the British and Australians.

"The "true heroes" of the Allied codebreaking effort, Smith says, were Eric
Nave, an Australian officer attached to the Royal Navy, and John Tiltman, a British
cryptographer. Although the Americans claimed that they broke JN25, the Japanese navy's
operational code which contributed to the destruction of the Japanese carrier fleet at
Midway, it was the work of Tiltman -- only a few weeks after it came into use in 1939."

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/00/09/Codebreaking2.html

"In 1979 the NSA released 2,413 JN-25 orders of the 26,581 intercepted by US
between Sept 1 and Dec 4, 1941. The NSA says "We know now that they contained important
details concerning the existence, organization, objective, and even the whereabouts of the
Pearl Harbor Strike Force." (Parker p 21) Of the over thousand radio messages sent by
Tokyo to the attack fleet, only 20 are in the National Archives. All messages to the
attack fleet were sent several times, at least one message was sent every odd hour of the
day and each had a special serial number. Starting in early November 1941 when the attack
fleet assembled and started receiving radio messages, OP-20-G stayed open 24 hours a day
and the "First Team" of codebreakers worked on JN-25. In November and early December
1941, OP-20-G spent 85 percent of its effort reading Japanese Navy traffic, 12 percent on
Japanese diplomatic traffic and 3 percent on German naval codes. FDR was personally
briefed twice a day on JN-25 traffic by his aide, Captain John Beardell, and demanded to
see the original raw messages in English. The US Government refuses to identify or
declassify any pre-Dec 7, 1941 decrypts of JN-25 on the basis of national security, a
half-century after the war."

http://home.earthlink.net/~nbrass1/3enigma.htm

Many people disagreed with the nuclear bombings of Japan:

"...in [July] 1945... Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in
Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I
was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the
wisdom of such an act. ...the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb
test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently
expecting a vigorous assent.

"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling
of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief
that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and
secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use
of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save
American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to
surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my
attitude..." - Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380

In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:

"...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them
with that awful thing."
- Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63

(Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman)
"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and
Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already
defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful
bombing with conventional weapons.

"The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My
own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard
common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion,
and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children." - William Leahy, I Was There,
pg. 441.

On August 8, 1945, after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, Hoover wrote to Army and Navy
Journal publisher Colonel John Callan O'Laughlin, "The use of the atomic bomb, with its
indiscriminate killing of women and children, revolts my soul."
quoted from Gar Alperovitz, The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb, pg. 635.

MacArthur biographer William Manchester has described MacArthur's reaction to the issuance
by the Allies of the Potsdam Proclamation to Japan: "...the Potsdam declaration in July,
demand[ed] that Japan surrender unconditionally or face 'prompt and utter destruction.'
MacArthur was appalled. He knew that the Japanese would never renounce their emperor, and
that without him an orderly transition to peace would be impossible anyhow, because his
people would never submit to Allied occupation unless he ordered it. Ironically, when the
surrender did come, it was conditional, and the condition was a continuation of the
imperial reign. Had the General's advice been followed, the resort to atomic weapons at
Hiroshima and Nagasaki might have been unnecessary." William Manchester, American Caesar:
Douglas MacArthur 1880-1964, pg. 512.

Norman Cousins was a consultant to General MacArthur during the American occupation of
Japan. Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur,
"MacArthur's views about the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and
Nagasaki were starkly different from what the general public supposed." He continues,
"When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to
learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He
replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might
have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did
anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor."
Norman Cousins, The Pathology of Power, pg. 65, 70-71.

A panel set up by President Truman to study the Pacific war issued a report, the United
States Strategic Bombing Survey, in July 1946, which declared,
"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the
testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that
certainly prior to 31 December 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if atomic bombs had
not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been
planned or contemplated."

www.doug-long.com

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j080801.html

By 1945, Japan's entire military and industrial machine was grinding to a halt as the
resources needed to wage war were all but eradicated. The navy and air force had been
destroyed ship by ship, plane by plane, with no possibility of replacement. When, in the
spring of 1945, the island nation's lifeline to oil was severed, the war was over except
for the fighting. By June, Gen. Curtis LeMay, in charge of the air attacks, was
complaining that after months of terrible firebombing, there was nothing left of Japanese
cities for his bombers but "garbage can targets". By July, U.S. planes could fly over
Japan without resistance and bomb as much and as long as they pleased. Japan could no
longer defend itself.{6} After the war, the world learned what U.S. leaders had known by
early 1945: Japan was militarily defeated long before Hiroshima. It had been trying for
months, if not for years, to surrender; and the U.S. had consistently rebuffed these
overtures. A May 5 cable, intercepted and decoded by the U.S., dispelled any possible
doubt that the Japanese were eager to sue for peace. Sent to Berlin by the German
ambassador in Tokyo, after he talked to a ranking Japanese naval officer, it read:

Since the situation is clearly recognized to be hopeless, large sections of the Japanese
armed forces would not regard with disfavor an American request for capitulation even if
the terms were hard...

As far as is known, Washington did nothing to pursue this opening. Later that month,
Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson almost capriciously dismissed three separate high-level
recommendations from within the Roosevelt administration to activate peace negotiations.
The proposals advocated signaling Japan that the U.S. was willing to consider the
all-important retention of the emperor system; i.e., the U.S. would not insist upon
"unconditional surrender"...

According to Manhattan Project scientist Leo Szilard, Secretary of State Byrnes had said
that the bomb's biggest benefit was not its effect on Japan but its power to "make Russia
more manageable in Europe"...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bl...ter_WBlum.html

http://www.socialistworker.org/377AP...rlHarbor.shtml

Of course, this was also the time in history when Prescott Bush, grandfather of the POTUS,
was making a fortune in banking for the Nazis.

The truth is that the Bush regime deals terror. Wasn't the first Bush president involved
in Iraqgate and Iran-Contra?

Anyone recall that the guy who shot Reagan was a Bush family friend?

Will anyone complain when anything branded a 'conspiracy theory' by the Bu****es leads to
arrests and asset forfeitures, without due process, of United States citizens?

The Bush regime benefits directly and substantially from that [9/11] attack, via entities
such as the Carlyle Group.

'Born-again' Bush called it a 'crusade' against 'Islam', a 'war' against 'terrorism', as
he let the postal workers die of anthrax.

Then why the hysteria against 'Islam' and not against 'Christianity' for the likes of the
abortion-clinic bombers and the KKK?

Isn't ['Dubya'] the one who approves of groups associated with the KKK?

So US war machine propaganda means that the US military is terrorist. That's no surprise
to folks in Nicaragua, and so many other places with similar histories ...

If only a true superpower would just win over populations by letting them farm their farms
and work their trades and build schools and hospitals and medicine factories and roads,
instead of destroying helpless innocent people in droves until there is no one with the
strength left to complain.

The illegal invasion of Iraq is also a war crime of massive proportions.

"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth
about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would
be chased down in the streets and lynched."
-George H. W. "Poppy" Bush, spoken in an interview with
Sarah McClendon, June 1992

http://chicago.indymedia.org/newswir...1956/index.php


On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:39:41 -0700 (PDT), Matt Wiser wrote:

...conspiro-nuts ...

You believe a guy on dialysis in a cave
in Afghanistan got together with a few
guys and thwarted the US air defense
system, don't you.

""The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
~ Former CIA Director William Colby who died shortly after speaking
the quote in a freak canoe accident"

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread142784/pg1


"d = ½gt² (where g = 32.2 ft/sec² or 9.8 metres/s²)"

http://mindprod.com/politics/bush911...l#INTRODUCTION

http://mindprod.com/politics/bush911insidejob.html



"Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the
airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people
would be killed, ... The building structure would still be there."

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html


"An editorial in the respected trade magazine Fire Engineering states that there is good
reason to believe that the "official investigation," blessed by FEMA, into the WTC
collapse is a "half-baked farce" that may already have been commandeered by political
forces whose primary interests are clearly not full disclosure. "Respected members of the
fire protection engineering community are beginning to raise red flags, and a resonating
theory has emerged: The structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of
jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers." [Fire Engineering,
1/02]"

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg


"Leading structural engineers and fire-safety experts believe the investigation into the
collapse of the WTC is "inadequate.” They note that the current team of 20 or so
investigators has inadequate financial and staff support, has been prevented from
interviewing witnesses and from examining the disaster site. They couldn’t even get
detailed blueprints of the World Trade Center. The decision to rapidly recycle the steel
beams from the WTC means definitive answers may never be known."

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg


All undisputed ...

Still.

Of course.


And:


"According to Gert-Jan Knoops, a Dutch-based international law specialist,
bin Laden should have been arrested and extradited to the United States
and then put on trial."

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/1424...rs-divided.htm


See also:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-assassination

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...e-2278041.html

http://www.infowars.com/poll-reveals...ination-story/

http://www.dangerousminds.net/commen..._ladens_death/



This remains undisputed.


Not one contradictory fact has been presented.


The bushkultie isn't permitted to consider the facts.

His masters want him to remain ignorant.

He obeys without a thought.

On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:10:08 -0700 (PDT), Möebius Pretzel
wrote:

9/11 & Patriot Act Whistleblower Susan Lindauer On Patriot Act
Extension & Our Dying Liberties

Like the iron fist of the Nazis and Communists, Americans must submit
to “roving surveillance” and warrantless searches, without the
requirement of a Judge’s authorization. Surveillance laws are part of
a larger arsenal of weapons against political dissidents and whistle
blowers.

Most Americans don’t know the Patriot Act authorizes secret charges
relying on secret evidence and secret grand jury statements.

Under the Patriot Act, Americans have no right to know who has accused
them of what criminal activities, or the dates of the alleged offense.

They’re not even told what law was broken.

The government has power to lock up Americans on military bases or
other prisons without a hearing or trial.

We can be detained indefinitely without any rights of due process at
all.

http://theintelhub.com/2011/06/02/su...ins-democracy/

Thanks for posting that.

The glaring errors of the NIST 9/11 fiasco remain undisputed.

The bushkultie doesn't know much, and doesn't know the difference, either:

"UPS and Computers

The letters stand for “uninterruptible power supply” – batteries – not United Postal
Service… which NIST actually confused – and confuses! See this letter from NIST to the
Enrico Manieri:"

http://911conspiracy.wordpress.com/2...peaks-volumes/

That's quite an error, too.

"the angle was nearly perpendicular, between zero and four degrees.
Somehow, NIST and their associates missed by ten full degrees"

http://911conspiracy.wordpress.com/2...peaks-volumes/


It's a study in treachery.

They're all too weak to compete honestly/fairly.

The Bush crime family of treacherous wimps has
never been on the same side as the USA.

ObL couldn't affect the USA's air defense system.

Cheney did.

""The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind
every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks,
which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons,"
bin Laden's statement said."

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/u...-omar?_s=PM:US

Yes, the bushkultie is so stupid as to believe faked videos and
disregard direct statements to authentic news organizations.

Can't expect a bushkultie to understand geometry, either:

"the angle was nearly perpendicular, between zero and four degrees.
Somehow, NIST and their associates missed by ten full degrees"

http://911conspiracy.wordpress.com/2...peaks-volumes/

Notice that the bushkultie must ignore this fact, too.

On Wed, 11 May 2011 19:55:30 -0700 (PDT), "Craves Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass"
failed, flailed and foamed in impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

...admitted anal-sex-loving homosexual bushkultie
shill ... Hates US ... foamed... impotent kooker rage:
...have to run away ... can't name one...

You do have problems.

Of course you can't name one item of admissible evidence
that would exculpate your neocon idols, bushkultie.

...cannot NAME ONE...

Of course you can't name one item of admissible evidence
that would exculpate your neocon idols, bushkultie.

So what's your excuse for your inability to insist on a valid
trial for the most horrific crime of this millenium to date?

kooker...

That is your best excuse.

...Hates US

Of course you hate America when you insist that those
who murder Americans should not be prosecuted
according to the rule of law.

Notice that you can't name one thing that would be
admissible evidence against the scapegoat chosen
by your fascist masters.

... run away again without NAMING ONE THING ...

As always.

Still.

Of course you can't name one item of admissible evidence
that would exculpate your neocon idols, bushkultie.

Not one ...

Of course you can't name one item of admissible evidence
that would exculpate your neocon idols, bushkultie.

The bushkultie has no admissible evidence, and doesn't even know what it is.

On Mon, 9 May 2011 05:03:39 -0700 (PDT), "Craves Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass"
failed, flailed and foamed in impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

... admitted
doing 9/11...

Had you any evidence for that which would stand up in court?

cricket.wav

... run away again ...

You always do.

The bushkultie doesn't believe in actual admissible evidence.

The bushworshipper is so uncivilized as to prefer
assassinations to trials.

It's not difficult to fool a bushkultie.

The bushworshipper has been tricked repeatedly.

The bushkultie is pitied, while a useful example.

The bushkultie is a mere dupe.

The bushworshipper was fooled easily by faked videos.

Others could see the discrepancies quite clearly.

The real perps were 'incompetent' all the way to their
offshore accounts.

The claim of "incompetence" is ludicrous.

"...incompetence cannot explain the suppression of efforts to prevent the attacks."

http://www.oilempire.us/911.html

Nobody had the means/motive/opportunity of Bush and Cheney.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:51:25 -0700 (PDT), Schiffner wrote:

ROTFLMAO...

Normal healthy people don't find anything about 9/11 to be amusing.

... one stupid wife beating child raping idiot. SO
****ing stupid...... sack of ignorance, hate and
stupidity.

It's not about you.

On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 21:45:17 -0700 (PDT), Schiffner wrote:

... I'lll ...[sic] ****s haven't a clue...**** ...

You do have problems.

On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:10:15 -0700 (PDT), all alone on another Saturday night, "Craves
Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass" failed, flailed and foamed in impotent
bushkultie kooker rage:

... hero Bush ...

You do have problems.

The precedent of allowing/aiding/abetting attacks to
'justify' wars and war crimes is rather apparent:

On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 17:52:50 -0700 (PDT), all alone on another Friday night, "Craves
Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass" failed, flailed and foamed in
impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

... anal-sex-craving ...

You do have problems.

9/11 was an inside job.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:42:29 -0700 (PDT), "Craves Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass"
failed, flailed and foamed in impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

... inability to NAME ONE ...

Of course you can't name even one person who gained more
from 9/11 than Bush and Cheney.

No one had the means, motive, or opportunity for 9/11
that Bush and Cheney had.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 05:33:29 -0700 (PDT), "Craves Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass"
failed, flailed and foamed in impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

... avoid dealing with the
reality ...

Of course you do.

You don't have one contradictory fact.

All this remains undisputed, of course:

http://www.911sharethetruth.com/links.htm

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:43:21 -0700 (PDT), "Craves Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass"
failed, flailed and foamed in impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

... inability...

You do have problems. That was already obvious.

The bushkultie has to pretend this never happened, too:

"Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect
in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role"

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/u...-omar?_s=PM:US

The bushkultie hasn't contacted CNN to demand a retraction.


See also:

Huge problems with the NIST report:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/offi...ist/index.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index_0.98.html

See also:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle15970.htm

And:

http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/91..._911_Cover-Up/

Notice that the bushworshipper is forced to
pretend that this isn't public knowledge.

No one is there to tell the bushkultie that Bush
and Cheney aren't really nice guys.

Too bad the bushkultie is so isolated from reality.

The bushkultie sits all alone, all weekend, with
nothing to do but attempt, feebly, to defend
traitors and war criminals.

All alone without anyone else willing to spend any time with the poor ugly old hag, On
Friday night, 11 Mar 2011 20:23:00 -0800 (PST), the anal-sex-craving rightarded
here Bush Hates US foamed in impotent kooker rage:

... inability to NAME ONE...

Of course you can't name one person with more means, motive, or opportunity
for 9/11 than Bush and Cheney.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 05:20:30 -0800 (PST), Iarnrod wrote:

... anal-sex-craving rightarded... impotent kooker...must not be thinking...

You do have problems. It's not about you, though.

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 06:10:59 -0800 (PST), "Craves Fascist Iarnrod Up Gaping Ass"
failed, flailed and foamed in impotent bushkultie kooker rage:

... very amusing, I ....

You're a laughingstock, though also pitied.

It's not about you, though.

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:07:11 -0500, "Jeffrey Hamilton" failed:

...my_ killfile !!!

You imagine anyone cares?

How absurd.

Meanwhile:

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 13:51:36 -0800 (PST), Schiffner wrote:

... adn ... scared ...
... still a coward and a needle dicked liar.

It's not about you, though.

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:59:49 -0800 (PST), Matt Wiser wrote:

...never thought ...

You seem unable to do that.

Here - learn some real history:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p431_Lutton.html
http://www.aim.org/aim-report/aim-re...-harbor-smear/
http://www.cnrs-scrn.org/northern_ma...11_2_1to17.pdf

"If a group of people made a public statement saying that having a new Pearl Harbor would
be the only way the public would support their agenda, and these same people were in
positions that would allow them to conduct, permit or enable such an event when that event
actually took place...would they deserve your suspicion? Well this is EXACTLY what
happened. The very people with established motives for conducting an event like the one
that took place on 9/11/2001 were responsible for national security when we had that most
unlikely, unrealistic and implausible complete catastrophic failure of every single
defense procedure in operation."

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/smoking_gun.html

The Japanese weren't permitted to surrender when they were ready to do so.

That was in order to intimidate the Soviets via the gratuitous use of the bomb.

It helps to understand the real situation, including that of Pearl Harbor.

The US goaded Japan into attacking, and then let the attack occur despite warnings of it,
indeed even made itself more vulnerable to that attack than it should have. The US
government at that time wanted to gain public support for war, and 'improve trade' in the
east. They accomplished that, but threw in the added threat to everybody else by
escalating to the use of nuclear bombs on civilians, when many who knew a great deal about
the situation considered that excessive.

"The duty officer at U.S. Asiatic Fleet headquarters in Manila first received
word of the Pearl Harbor attack at 0230 on 8 December 1941, but a full hour passed before
Brig. Gen. Richard K. Sutherland, MacArthur's chief of staff, heard the news from
commercial broadcasts. He immediately notified MacArthur and all commanders that a state
of war now existed with Japan. MacArthur ordered his troops to battle stations.

Despite this warning, when the Japanese pilots of the 11th Air Fleet attacked Clark Field
nine hours later, they caught two squadrons of B-17s lined up on the field and a number of
American fighters just preparing to take off. The first wave of twenty-seven Japanese
twin-engine bombers achieved complete tactical surprise and destroyed most of the American
heavy bombers. A second bomber strike followed while Zero fighters strafed the field. Only
three P-40s managed to take off. A simultaneous attack on Iba Field in northwest Luzon was
also successful: all but two of the 3d Squadron's P-40s were destroyed. The Far East Air
Force lost fully half its planes the first day of the war. ..."

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/brochures/pi/pi.htm

Were you unaware that Japan was *provoked* into that attack? The US froze Japanese assets
(treaty violation) and embargoed their oil. Roosevelt was tired of supplying only
materials to the war, and he saw Japan as the easiest way in, via an attack on US soil.

Why did Roosevelt order the pacific fleet to relocate from the west coast to Hawaii in the
summer of 1940? Why was the commander, Admiral Richardson, removed after complaining that
Pearl Harbor didn't offer sufficient air or topedo defense?

Didn't Roosevelt receive a memo in the fall of 1940, from a Navy analyst, describing eight
ways to force Japan to attack the US (one of them an oil embargo), and all of them
eventually implemented? Didn't Roosevelt's advisor Ickes tell him that an oil embargo
would be an "easy" way to get into the war, the day after Hitler attacked Russia in the
summer of 1941?

"President Franklin D. Roosevelt wanted to enter the war in Europe, especially
after the fall of France (June 1940). In this desire he was supported by the old elite ...
After meeting FDR at the Atlantic Conference (August 14, 1941) Churchill noted the
"astonishing depth of Roosevelt's intense desire for war." But there was a problem: the
President could not overcome the resistance to
"Europe's war" felt by most Americans and their elected representatives.

The mood of the country was a problem, and Roosevelt therefore resorted to subterfuge. He
systematically and deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking the United States.
His real target was Hitler: Roosevelt expected the German dictator to abide by the
Tripartite Pact and declare war on America, and hoped that Hitler's decision would be
facilitated by a display of America's apparent vulnerability. Accordingly, even though
Roosevelt was well aware of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor ..."

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a3522a943db.html

The US Army Signal Intelligence Service had cracked the Japanese codes before December of
1941. Although a British obsession with secrecy allowed the US to claim it had first
deciphered JN25, it was actually done first by the British and Australians.

"The "true heroes" of the Allied codebreaking effort, Smith says, were Eric
Nave, an Australian officer attached to the Royal Navy, and John Tiltman, a British
cryptographer. Although the Americans claimed that they broke JN25, the Japanese navy's
operational code which contributed to the destruction of the Japanese carrier fleet at
Midway, it was the work of Tiltman -- only a few weeks after it came into use in 1939."

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/00/09/Codebreaking2.html

"In 1979 the NSA released 2,413 JN-25 orders of the 26,581 intercepted by US
between Sept 1 and Dec 4, 1941. The NSA says "We know now that they contained important
details concerning the existence, organization, objective, and even the whereabouts of the
Pearl Harbor Strike Force." (Parker p 21) Of the over thousand radio messages sent by
Tokyo to the attack fleet, only 20 are in the National Archives. All messages to the
attack fleet were sent several times, at least one message was sent every odd hour of the
day and each had a special serial number. Starting in early November 1941 when the attack
fleet assembled and started receiving radio messages, OP-20-G stayed open 24 hours a day
and the "First Team" of codebreakers worked on JN-25. In November and early December
1941, OP-20-G spent 85 percent of its effort reading Japanese Navy traffic, 12 percent on
Japanese diplomatic traffic and 3 percent on German naval codes. FDR was personally
briefed twice a day on JN-25 traffic by his aide, Captain John Beardell, and demanded to
see the original raw messages in English. The US Government refuses to identify or
declassify any pre-Dec 7, 1941 decrypts of JN-25 on the basis of national security, a
half-century after the war."

http://home.earthlink.net/~nbrass1/3enigma.htm

Many people disagreed with the nuclear bombings of Japan:

"...in [July] 1945... Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in
Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I
was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the
wisdom of such an act. ...the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb
test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently
expecting a vigorous assent.

"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling
of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief
that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and
secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use
of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save
American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to
surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my
attitude..." - Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380

In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:

"...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them
with that awful thing."
- Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63

(Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman)
"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and
Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already
defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful
bombing with conventional weapons.

"The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My
own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard
common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion,
and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children." - William Leahy, I Was There,
pg. 441.

On August 8, 1945, after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, Hoover wrote to Army and Navy
Journal publisher Colonel John Callan O'Laughlin, "The use of the atomic bomb, with its
indiscriminate killing of women and children, revolts my soul."
quoted from Gar Alperovitz, The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb, pg. 635.

MacArthur biographer William Manchester has described MacArthur's reaction to the issuance
by the Allies of the Potsdam Proclamation to Japan: "...the Potsdam declaration in July,
demand[ed] that Japan surrender unconditionally or face 'prompt and utter destruction.'
MacArthur was appalled. He knew that the Japanese would never renounce their emperor, and
that without him an orderly transition to peace would be impossible anyhow, because his
people would never submit to Allied occupation unless he ordered it. Ironically, when the
surrender did come, it was conditional, and the condition was a continuation of the
imperial reign. Had the General's advice been followed, the resort to atomic weapons at
Hiroshima and Nagasaki might have been unnecessary." William Manchester, American Caesar:
Douglas MacArthur 1880-1964, pg. 512.

Norman Cousins was a consultant to General MacArthur during the American occupation of
Japan. Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur,
"MacArthur's views about the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and
Nagasaki were starkly different from what the general public supposed." He continues,
"When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to
learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He
replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might
have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did
anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor."
Norman Cousins, The Pathology of Power, pg. 65, 70-71.

A panel set up by President Truman to study the Pacific war issued a report, the United
States Strategic Bombing Survey, in July 1946, which declared,
"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the
testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that
certainly prior to 31 December 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if atomic bombs had
not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been
planned or contemplated."

www.doug-long.com

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j080801.html

By 1945, Japan's entire military and industrial machine was grinding to a halt as the
resources needed to wage war were all but eradicated. The navy and air force had been
destroyed ship by ship, plane by plane, with no possibility of replacement. When, in the
spring of 1945, the island nation's lifeline to oil was severed, the war was over except
for the fighting. By June, Gen. Curtis LeMay, in charge of the air attacks, was
complaining that after months of terrible firebombing, there was nothing left of Japanese
cities for his bombers but "garbage can targets". By July, U.S. planes could fly over
Japan without resistance and bomb as much and as long as they pleased. Japan could no
longer defend itself.{6} After the war, the world learned what U.S. leaders had known by
early 1945: Japan was militarily defeated long before Hiroshima. It had been trying for
months, if not for years, to surrender; and the U.S. had consistently rebuffed these
overtures. A May 5 cable, intercepted and decoded by the U.S., dispelled any possible
doubt that the Japanese were eager to sue for peace. Sent to Berlin by the German
ambassador in Tokyo, after he talked to a ranking Japanese naval officer, it read:

Since the situation is clearly recognized to be hopeless, large sections of the Japanese
armed forces would not regard with disfavor an American request for capitulation even if
the terms were hard...

As far as is known, Washington did nothing to pursue this opening. Later that month,
Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson almost capriciously dismissed three separate high-level
recommendations from within the Roosevelt administration to activate peace negotiations.
The proposals advocated signaling Japan that the U.S. was willing to consider the
all-important retention of the emperor system; i.e., the U.S. would not insist upon
"unconditional surrender"...

According to Manhattan Project scientist Leo Szilard, Secretary of State Byrnes had said
that the bomb's biggest benefit was not its effect on Japan but its power to "make Russia
more manageable in Europe"...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bl...ter_WBlum.html

http://www.socialistworker.org/377AP...rlHarbor.shtml

Of course, this was also the time in history when Prescott Bush, grandfather of the POTUS,
was making a fortune in banking for the Nazis.

The truth is that the Bush regime deals terror. Wasn't the first Bush president involved
in Iraqgate and Iran-Contra?

Anyone recall that the guy who shot Reagan was a Bush family friend?

Will anyone complain when anything branded a 'conspiracy theory' by the Bu****es leads to
arrests and asset forfeitures, without due process, of United States citizens?

The Bush regime benefits directly and substantially from that [9/11] attack, via entities
such as the Carlyle Group.

'Born-again' Bush called it a 'crusade' against 'Islam', a 'war' against 'terrorism', as
he let the postal workers die of anthrax.

Then why the hysteria against 'Islam' and not against 'Christianity' for the likes of the
abortion-clinic bombers and the KKK?

Isn't ['Dubya'] the one who approves of groups associated with the KKK?

So US war machine propaganda means that the US military is terrorist. That's no surprise
to folks in Nicaragua, and so many other places with similar histories ...

If only a true superpower would just win over populations by letting them farm their farms
and work their trades and build schools and hospitals and medicine factories and roads,
instead of destroying helpless innocent people in droves until there is no one with the
strength left to complain.

The illegal invasion of Iraq is also a war crime of massive proportions.

"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth
about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would
be chased down in the streets and lynched."
-George H. W. "Poppy" Bush, spoken in an interview with
Sarah McClendon, June 1992

http://chicago.indymedia.org/newswir...1956/index.php


On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:39:41 -0700 (PDT), Matt Wiser wrote:

...conspiro-nuts ...

You believe a guy on dialysis in a cave
in Afghanistan got together with a few
guys and thwarted the US air defense
system, don't you.

""The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
~ Former CIA Director William Colby who died shortly after speaking
the quote in a freak canoe accident"

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread142784/pg1


"d = ½gt² (where g = 32.2 ft/sec² or 9.8 metres/s²)"

http://mindprod.com/politics/bush911...l#INTRODUCTION

http://mindprod.com/politics/bush911insidejob.html



"Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the
airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people
would be killed, ... The building structure would still be there."

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html


"An editorial in the respected trade magazine Fire Engineering states that there is good
reason to believe that the "official investigation," blessed by FEMA, into the WTC
collapse is a "half-baked farce" that may already have been commandeered by political
forces whose primary interests are clearly not full disclosure. "Respected members of the
fire protection engineering community are beginning to raise red flags, and a resonating
theory has emerged: The structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of
jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers." [Fire Engineering,
1/02]"

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg


"Leading structural engineers and fire-safety experts believe the investigation into the
collapse of the WTC is "inadequate.” They note that the current team of 20 or so
investigators has inadequate financial and staff support, has been prevented from
interviewing witnesses and from examining the disaster site. They couldn’t even get
detailed blueprints of the World Trade Center. The decision to rapidly recycle the steel
beams from the WTC means definitive answers may never be known."

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg


All undisputed ...

Still.

Of course.


And:


"According to Gert-Jan Knoops, a Dutch-based international law specialist,
bin Laden should have been arrested and extradited to the United States
and then put on trial."

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/1424...rs-divided.htm


See also:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-assassination

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...e-2278041.html

http://www.infowars.com/poll-reveals...ination-story/

http://www.dangerousminds.net/commen..._ladens_death/



This remains undisputed.


Not one contradictory fact has been presented.


The bushkultie isn't permitted to consider the facts.





Bush and Cheney are fascists, traitors, and war criminals,
and electronic 'voting' will keep putting such into office.


If it's electronic, it's no election.

""The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind
every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks,
which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons,"
bin Laden's statement said."

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/u...-omar?_s=PM:US

"According to Gert-Jan Knoops, a Dutch-based international law specialist,
bin Laden should have been arrested and extradited to the United States
and then put on trial."

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/1424...rs-divided.htm


See also:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-assassination

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...e-2278041.html

http://www.infowars.com/poll-reveals...ination-story/

http://www.dangerousminds.net/commen..._ladens_death/


Undisputed.