Liberty Net: December 17, 2011

http://3950.net/2011/12/liberty-net-december-17-2011/

by Kevin Strom, WB4AIO

LIBERTY NET participants wish you and your loved ones the very best
of Yuletides this year, and hope that you remember, and remind all
your family and friends about, the vital importance of freedom of
speech and freedom of association in the coming year.

Here’s a small selection from the topics discussed during this
week’s free-ranging Liberty Net discussion:

• Politicians lie all the time, but it’s useful to point out one of
their most sneaky lies — one in which the billionaires’ media are
complicit: They constantly claim to be “reducing the deficit,” which
really means little or nothing because they never reduce the debt.
In order to reduce the debt, the deficit would not only have to be
totally eliminated, but reversed. But, since the bankers want us to
work for them forever, and since most of the voters are so ignorant
that they don’t know the difference between the debt and the
deficit, the debt will never be reduced unless there is a coup or
revolution to restore legitimate government. (21 minutes)

• From the 1970s to today, there have been at least a dozen repeated
claims by the Zionist lobby and their sycophants in Congress about
the “danger” of “imminent” construction of a nuclear bomb by Iran,
all in an effort to start a war to decimate this rival of Israel’s.
Why, by the way, are none of the billionaires’ media outlets calling
for bombing Tel Aviv, since everyone acknowledges that that Israel
has nuclear weapons? (27 minutes)

• It’s no wonder that parents are pulling their students out of the
public schools in record numbers, considering the sickness
exemplified by the “feminist,” anti-White, pro-perversion values
taught there. This was demonstrated forcefully recently when one
school staged an event in which a male student was tricked into
erotically kissing and fondling his own mother when both were
wearing blindfolds. (31 minutes)

• Was the “lost” drone purposely landed on Iranian territory in
order to feed them false information? Was the drone really valueless
30-year-old technology? (45 minutes)

• Rumor has it that Ireland has prepared plates for the printing of
Irish pounds again, in case they decide to drop out of the Euro
zone. (1 hour 1 minute)

• Beware of “escheat laws” in the state where you live: Under these
so-called laws, the bankers and the government can simply seize your
bank account if it is “inactive” for more than a certain number of
months. (1 hour 8 minutes)

• Now that we are “withdrawing” from Iraq (a lie really; huge US
military bases and mercenary operations continue there), the
Israeli-linked oligarchs have ordered US troops to the Lebanon-Syria
border area in preparation for starting another war for Israel. (1
hour 30 minutes)

• Would anyone in his right mind buy a retirement plan from an
insurance company that invested your funds in zero-interest
non-marketable securities, and arrogated to itself the right to
plunder your funds whenever it wanted to? Why, then, do people have
faith in an identical plan called “Social Security”? (1 hour 53 minutes)

• Why do the candidates in the recent debates discuss Israel at
least as much as they discuss the United States? Could it be that
Israeli interests have bought off — or sexually compromised — almost
all American politicians? (2 hours 12 minutes)

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On 12/24/2011 12:28 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
Liberty Net: December 17, 2011

• Why, then, do people have faith in an identical
plan called “Social Security”?

Why do people have faith in Social Security?

Just a guess, but the fact that it has worked pretty well for the last
76 years might have something to do with it.

On 12/24/2011 1:54 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 12/24/2011 12:28 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
Liberty Net: December 17, 2011

• Why, then, do people have faith in an identical
plan called “Social Security”?

Why do people have faith in Social Security?

Just a guess, but the fact that it has worked pretty well for the
last 76 years might have something to do with it.



Well, if you call "working pretty well" a system in which 1) one is
forced to "invest" essentially at gunpoint, and 2) in which the vast
preponderance of the assets of the investors are looted at will and
have been bled nearly dry by debasement of the currency and 3) which
keeps afloat only by more forced extractions from new victims, then
I guess you're right.

If the system had been run honestly and without coercion and had
invested in real, productive assets, and, most importantly, had been
protected from rape by bankers and politicians, then I would agree
with you (and I think our retirees would be ten times richer at the
very least).


With all good wishes,



Kevin.
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On 12/24/2011 10:54 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 12/24/2011 12:28 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
Liberty Net: December 17, 2011

• Why, then, do people have faith in an identical
plan called “Social Security”?

Why do people have faith in Social Security?

Just a guess, but the fact that it has worked pretty well for the last
76 years might have something to do with it.


Actually, there still is no problem with social security. However,
first the funds stolen for minority groups, vietnam evac of the boat
people, to here, the funds "slushed" into the general fund, etc., etc.,
would have to be put back and the IOUs on the stolen monies made good.
In this regards, the crooks in our government, with ties to
rich-elite-corporate America, are much like any bank robber ... they
would like everyone to simply forget about it, write off their thefts,
and go on to poverty and starvation ... it is our job not to let them
get away with it ...

Fact is, social security is what has allowed people to work for cheap
wages and live paycheck-to-paycheck, for many, this is all the
retirement they have, or ever will have -- now that the banksters and
wall street have raped the funds using corrupt and criminal public
servants, they just wish to wash their hands of it.

Hindsight is always much more accurate then foresight. The plans to
reduce the common citizens to 3rd world status is continuing ... if we
can have afforded the trillions to give the wealth banks and
shareholders ungodly sums of money, we can damn well afford to take care
of our fellow American citizens in their old age and illnesses ...
however, as always, the criminally insane would allow them to die in
poverty, on the streets, without a roof over their heads.

Until we weed the sociopaths and psychotics from public servant offices,
the horrors they have planned will simply continue and at an
accelerating rate ... it is time to give them their just rewards.

Regards,
JS

On Dec 24, 12:28*pm, Kevin Alfred Strom kevin.st...@revilo-
oliver.com wrote:

Liberty Net: December 17, 2011

Put the sound files back, Kevin.

Just put them back.

On 12/24/2011, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

Liberty Net: December 17, 2011

• Why, then, do people have faith in an identical
plan called “Social Security”?

On 12/24/2011 1:54 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

Why do people have faith in Social Security?

Just a guess, but the fact that it has worked pretty well for the
last 76 years might have something to do with it.

On 12/24/2011, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

Well, if you call "working pretty well" a system in which 1) one is
forced to "invest" essentially at gunpoint, and 2) in which the vast
preponderance of the assets of the investors are looted at will and have
been bled nearly dry by debasement of the currency and 3) which keeps
afloat only by more forced extractions from new victims, then I guess
you're right.

Well yes, I DO contend it works pretty well. (Please note I did not say
it was perfect.)

* It saved the day for lots of blue-haired little old ladies that never
got married and made peanuts while employed as retail clerks.

* It saved an acquaintance of mine when his father died at a young age.
Social Security kept the wolf away from the door and kept his mother
from having to send him to an orphanage.

* Heck, even a member of this newsgroup (who shall remain nameless) gets
a Social Security disability check.

"Debasement of the currency" is occurring with -or without- Social Security.

And finally, call it "forced" if you will, but many people made such
lousy wages that they were lucky to put food on the table and pay the
mortgage without having any money left over to set aside for their
retirement.

On Dec 26, 9:11*am, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
And finally, call it "forced" if you will, but many people made such lousy wages that they were lucky to put food on the table and pay the mortgage without having any money left over to set aside for their retirement.

Kevin will make GREAT wages ... if he'll just PUT THE SOUND FILES
BACK ... ! ! !