How about the Devil and or KJES via Vado, New Mexico at 1800 GMT to 1900 hrs
in English to Australasia at 50kw. Then in Spanish at 2000-2100 GMT to
Central America at 50kw.
--
Stewart H. MacKenzie, WDX6AA
"World Friendship Through Shortwave Radio Where Culture and Language Meet"
ASWLC - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ASWLC/
SCADS - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCADS/


"Randy Padawer" wrote in message
om...
Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types
on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10,
2003. Here's an excerpt:

"If your hand or foot causes you to sin,
cut it off and throw it away.
It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled
than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire."

"And if your eye causes you to sin,
gouge it out and throw it away.
It is better for you to enter into life with one eye
than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell."

Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it
was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around
his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure
hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine
nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes
hear are grounded in beliefs like this.

Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel?

Randy (WA4FJF)

FWIW, I think they are quoting scripture accurately, except for the part
about the kid that I never heard. There are all kinds and degrees of views,
and a lot needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

This is all Biblically accurate.

Matthew 5
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust
after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from
thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should
perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from
thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should
perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.


courtesy of http://www.gospelcom.net/

Naturally the point here is its better to go to heaven missing body
parts than to go to hell in whole.

And I believe the earlier posted section was saying its not such a hot
idea for a seasoned Christian to say something to a new Christiain
which may result in that person loosing faith and fall away. Many
times its better just to hold the tongue than criticise or confuse a
new Christian. And from what Mathew is saying to the offender:

It is better to place a millstone around that persons neck and toss
them into the sea. Than for them to cause a new Christian to stumble.

The nature of Christianity is such that the Holy Spirit gradually
convicts each person of the sins in their life. Others don't usually
need to do it for them. Exceptions (IMHO) are your pastor preaching to
the whole church and not singling anyone out.


Mike

On 10 Sep 2003 11:33:00 -0700, (Randy Padawer)
wrote:

Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types
on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10,
2003. Here's an excerpt:

"If your hand or foot causes you to sin,
cut it off and throw it away.
It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled
than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire."

"And if your eye causes you to sin,
gouge it out and throw it away.
It is better for you to enter into life with one eye
than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell."

Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it
was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around
his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure
hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine
nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes
hear are grounded in beliefs like this.

Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel?

Randy (WA4FJF)

Frank Dresser wrote:


"Gray Shockley" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:33:00 -0500, Randy Padawer wrote
(in message ) :

Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types
on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10,
2003. Here's an excerpt:


It may be KJES, a station on which I have no information (and would
appreciate some). Appears to be in the Southwest USA.

Gray


Glenn Hauser has mentioned KJES in a few DX Listening Digests:

http://www.dxing.com/dxr/dxld2140.htm

"* U S A. LITTLE KNOWN KJES IN VADO, NEW MEXICO, IS FIRST U.S.
CATHOLIC SHORTWAVE STATION'

"By Dr. Hansjeorg Biener. From his Medien Aktuell: Kirche im Rundfunk,
February 2002. © Copyright 2002 and reprinted with permission."

"Vado, New Mexico (Medien Aktuell) -- At the end of 1989 and beginning
of 1990, North American shortwave fans notice the first test
transmissions of station KJES Missionary Radio Evangelism originating
from a ranch operated by a Catholic priest for rehabilitating youth.
In an interview he spoke of having two 50,000-watt shortwave
transmitters, but that did not happen. On the contrary, the
transmissions from the used transmitters were sporadic and did not
happen regularly until 1992. The programs are essentially prayers,
hymns, and readings."

I don't think that KJES (it means King Jesus Eternal Savior) is as
strictly Catholic as WEWN Eternal Word Network. They may claim to be
Catholics, but they're more radical.

"KJES maintains an unvarying programming and frequency schedule, summer
season and winter season, year after year. All times are UT, world
time, same as London, which is six hours ahead of New York time (five
in summer daylight saving time). [make that 5 and 4, respectively, but
how is New York relevant in this??? -- gh]"

0200-0300 7555 kHz English to western Canada
0300-0330 7555 kHz English to central Canada

1400-1500 11715 kHz English to eastern Canada
1500-1600 11715 kHz English to western Canada
1600-1700 11715 kHz Spanish to Mexico

1900-2000 15385 kHz English to Australia
2000-2100 15385 kHz Spanish to Puerto Rico

"Database: Las Cruces: KJES shortwave. Service to North America and
Australia and the Pacific in English; Mexico, South America, and
Puerto Rico in Spanish. (One 50,000-watt transmitter). Format: Recited
psalms and prayers. Owner: Our Lord's Ranch, 230 High Valley Rd., Vado
NM 88072. (505) 233-2090, fax 233-3019. Michael Reuter, g.m. Fr. Rick
Thomas SJ, pres. See also El Paso, Tex. Founded about 1992. (In the
Diocese of Las Cruces) (Catholic Radio Update Sept 9 via DXLD)"

"KJES is run primarily for the benefit, it seems to me, of the young
people recovering from tough times in life, and serves Canada and
Australia in English and Mexico and Puerto Rico in Spanish a few hours
a day (Michael Dorner, CRU via DXLD) Do they really say PR is the
target? Why be so specific when, e.g., Florida, Cuba and D.R. are in
the same direxion? (gh, DXLD)"


About 10 years ago, Glenn Hauser said he was in the Vado area and decided to
make an unannounced visit to the KJES transmitter site. It was deserted at
the time. I suppose it's a real shoestring operation.

Transmitter sites often run on autopilot. I've been to the tops of San
Bruno Mountain and Sutro Peak in the San Francisco area, and the sites
were deserted except for a lone guard at Sutro. I've also been to
several transmitter sites in the Sacramento area, and they were
deserted. Apparently the tx's are run by remote from the studio these
days.


Frank Dresser

"Kent" wrote in message
...
KJES
The Lords Ranch
Mesquite, MN 88048

50kW

Better known by the locals in NM
as the next "Branch Davidian" group
just waiting to happen....

(Allegedly organized along similar lines
as DJ Smith's cult in Waxahatchie, Tx.

Thanks, all. Well, I've certainly revealed my scriptural ignorance
today, LOL. That just sounded so extreme to me, and when chanted
(responsive reading group-style) sounded really way out. Thanks for
clarifying and for the information.

Randy (WA4FJF)

gutblowout wrote:



"Kent" wrote in message
...
KJES
The Lords Ranch
Mesquite, MN 88048

50kW

Better known by the locals in NM
as the next "Branch Davidian" group
just waiting to happen....

(Allegedly organized along similar lines
as DJ Smith's cult in Waxahatchie, Tx.


I wonder if they really cut off body parts that have "sinned". Shoulds
make them easy enough to recognize in town...

Could you enlighten us about "DJ Smith's" cult in Texas?

Sigh...another human who cannot accept the preachings from the
bible....There are verses in the King James Bible that preach similar
things. If you don't like it, that is your problem...


Clete





Randy Padawer wrote in message ...
Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types
on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10,
2003. Here's an excerpt:

"If your hand or foot causes you to sin,
cut it off and throw it away.
It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled
than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire."

"And if your eye causes you to sin,
gouge it out and throw it away.
It is better for you to enter into life with one eye
than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell."

Another verse I don't even want to directly quote -- the gist of it
was that it would be better for a child to have a millstone put around
his neck and drowned than to witness someone else sinning. I sure
hope we don't hear about these people on CNN one day, but I imagine
nevertheless that some of the religious-based murders we sometimes
hear are grounded in beliefs like this.

Anybody know what group originates this incredible doggerel?

Randy (WA4FJF)

"Gray Shockley" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:33:00 -0500, Randy Padawer wrote
(in message ) :

Today I scanned across 19m and heard some really scary evanglist types
on 15.385 MHz -- it was just after 1800 GMT, Wednesday, September 10,
2003. Here's an excerpt:


It may be KJES, a station on which I have no information (and would
appreciate some). Appears to be in the Southwest USA.

Gray


Glenn Hauser has mentioned KJES in a few DX Listening Digests:

http://www.dxing.com/dxr/dxld2140.htm

"* U S A. LITTLE KNOWN KJES IN VADO, NEW MEXICO, IS FIRST U.S.
CATHOLIC SHORTWAVE STATION'

"By Dr. Hansjeorg Biener. From his Medien Aktuell: Kirche im Rundfunk,
February 2002. © Copyright 2002 and reprinted with permission."

"Vado, New Mexico (Medien Aktuell) -- At the end of 1989 and beginning
of 1990, North American shortwave fans notice the first test
transmissions of station KJES Missionary Radio Evangelism originating
from a ranch operated by a Catholic priest for rehabilitating youth.
In an interview he spoke of having two 50,000-watt shortwave
transmitters, but that did not happen. On the contrary, the
transmissions from the used transmitters were sporadic and did not
happen regularly until 1992. The programs are essentially prayers,
hymns, and readings."

"KJES maintains an unvarying programming and frequency schedule, summer
season and winter season, year after year. All times are UT, world
time, same as London, which is six hours ahead of New York time (five
in summer daylight saving time). [make that 5 and 4, respectively, but
how is New York relevant in this??? -- gh]"

0200-0300 7555 kHz English to western Canada
0300-0330 7555 kHz English to central Canada

1400-1500 11715 kHz English to eastern Canada
1500-1600 11715 kHz English to western Canada
1600-1700 11715 kHz Spanish to Mexico

1900-2000 15385 kHz English to Australia
2000-2100 15385 kHz Spanish to Puerto Rico

"Database: Las Cruces: KJES shortwave. Service to North America and
Australia and the Pacific in English; Mexico, South America, and
Puerto Rico in Spanish. (One 50,000-watt transmitter). Format: Recited
psalms and prayers. Owner: Our Lord's Ranch, 230 High Valley Rd., Vado
NM 88072. (505) 233-2090, fax 233-3019. Michael Reuter, g.m. Fr. Rick
Thomas SJ, pres. See also El Paso, Tex. Founded about 1992. (In the
Diocese of Las Cruces) (Catholic Radio Update Sept 9 via DXLD)"

"KJES is run primarily for the benefit, it seems to me, of the young
people recovering from tough times in life, and serves Canada and
Australia in English and Mexico and Puerto Rico in Spanish a few hours
a day (Michael Dorner, CRU via DXLD) Do they really say PR is the
target? Why be so specific when, e.g., Florida, Cuba and D.R. are in
the same direxion? (gh, DXLD)"


About 10 years ago, Glenn Hauser said he was in the Vado area and decided to
make an unannounced visit to the KJES transmitter site. It was deserted at
the time. I suppose it's a real shoestring operation.

Frank Dresser


This is interesting. Having been raised catholic, and catching the
KJES broadcasts frequently over the last 3 years, I would not have
guessed these guys are Catholics. For one thing, I never catch them
mentioning the Pope, Mary, or the Catholic church and its
rules/doctrines. Those are usually the clear giveaways. In my
experience, a religious broadcaster who can go 20 minutes without
mentioning any of those *was* invariably a Protestant.

But who knows? This outfit may be one of the dissidents that have
arisen from time to time after Vatican 2. Or maybe these guys were
against diddling little boys...

--
Col. I.P. Yurin
Commissariat of Internal Security

Stakhanovite
Order of Lenin (1937)
Hero of Socialist Labor (1939)

If I followed their Biblical advice, then I'd probably enter heaven as a
eunuch.

Note that the entity's president is a Jesuit. I understand the Jesuits were
finally kicked out of the RCC for their extremist actions. Certainly they were
the ones who accompanied the Spanish explorers 500 years ago and did bad things
to Mesoamerican societies and burned their books.

Bill, K5BY