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Old October 16th 03, 09:10 PM
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Hi all. This past Spring I put my Cambridge Soundworks Model 88 table
radio, designed by the late Henry Kloss, through its paces on the FM
broadcast band. For the duration of the test, the radio sat in one
place in a ground floor room. The only antenna used was a cheap $2
plastic dipole tacked haphazardly to the wall; it too remained in one
place throughout the test. Here are my results (bear with me, I
intend to post these in sections so as not to lose the content to the
Cookie Monster):

87.9

88.1 WUBJ Jamestown, NY Public Jazz 10 miles (Repeater of 88.7
WBFO
Buffalo)

88.3

88.5

88.7 WBFO Buffalo, NY Public Jazz 58 miles

88.9 WYFG Jamestown, NY Christian 10 miles

89.1 WCID Friendship, NY Christian 57 miles
CBLA FM 2 Kitchener-Waterloo CBC radio 97 miles

89.3 WQED Pittsburgh, PA Public Classical 121 miles

89.5

89.7 WNJA Jamestown, NY Public Classical 10 miles
(Repeater of 94.5 WNED Buffalo)

89.9 CBC FM 2 Paris, Ontario CBC French Service 97 miles
(Parallel to 90.3 CJBC Toronto)

90.1 WPSB Kane, PA Public Classical 37 miles
(Part of Penn State's Radio Network)

90.3 CJBC Toronto, Ontario CBC French Service 109 miles
(Part of "La Chaine Culterelle")

90.5 CBLA FM 1 Niagra-Crystal Beach, Ontario 70 miles
CBC Radio (Parallel to CBC One on 99.1?)

90.7
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Old October 16th 03, 10:36 PM
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grumpus wrote:

Hi all. This past Spring I put my Cambridge Soundworks Model 88 table
radio, designed by the late Henry Kloss, through its paces on the FM
broadcast band. For the duration of the test, the radio sat in one
place in a ground floor room. The only antenna used was a cheap $2
plastic dipole tacked haphazardly to the wall; it too remained in one
place throughout the test. Here are my results



(4 part log snipped).



Good post, Grumpus. It appears that the radio has excellent
sensitivity with a very conventional antenna, and that your maximum
distance reception was about 120 miles - that would be top-end for any
good FM receiver with a dipole.


It also appears that CING, Burlington (Hamilton) is the old CKDS
that I used to listen to all day when I was working in Western New York
during the summers of 1970, '71 and '72.


I would be more interested in how many of those stations past the 90
mile range you were getting in good, listenable stereo. In "the old
days", any good, two-channel stereo image at a distance of 100 miles was
considered to be top-flight FM DX.

Tony


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Old October 18th 03, 02:20 PM
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Tony Meloche wrote in message ...
grumpus wrote:

Hi all. This past Spring I put my Cambridge Soundworks Model 88 table
radio, designed by the late Henry Kloss, through its paces on the FM
broadcast band. For the duration of the test, the radio sat in one
place in a ground floor room. The only antenna used was a cheap $2
plastic dipole tacked haphazardly to the wall; it too remained in one
place throughout the test. Here are my results


I love my Model 88 but have never (with any radio) tried FM DX, even
though I have an amplified RS ATV UHF/FM antenna which gives me a GOOD
solid lock on locals, no doubt!

And the sound of the 88 is really incredible. I got mine for $89 on
eBay through an online store called HiFi.com, very good to deal
with.... not sure if they are still around.

Adam
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Old October 18th 03, 08:20 PM
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Tony Meloche wrote in message ...
grumpus wrote:

Hi all. This past Spring I put my Cambridge Soundworks Model 88 table
radio, designed by the late Henry Kloss, through its paces on the FM
broadcast band. For the duration of the test, the radio sat in one
place in a ground floor room. The only antenna used was a cheap $2
plastic dipole tacked haphazardly to the wall; it too remained in one
place throughout the test. Here are my results



(4 part log snipped).



Good post, Grumpus. It appears that the radio has excellent
sensitivity with a very conventional antenna, and that your maximum
distance reception was about 120 miles - that would be top-end for any
good FM receiver with a dipole.


It also appears that CING, Burlington (Hamilton) is the old CKDS
that I used to listen to all day when I was working in Western New York
during the summers of 1970, '71 and '72.


I would be more interested in how many of those stations past the 90
mile range you were getting in good, listenable stereo. In "the old
days", any good, two-channel stereo image at a distance of 100 miles was
considered to be top-flight FM DX.

Tony


Hi Tony. Neither the Gale Directory or CING's website indicate a
history for this station before 1976 under whatever call letters, but
you may well be correct. Bruce Elving's newest FM Atlas shows that
CING has migrated to 105.3 and a new station, CJXY, now occupies
107.9. It would be a stretch to say that I get a lot of the 90 mile
plus stations in "good, listenable stereo". This exercise was
intended more as a DXing demonstration with bare bones equipment in
challenging conditions than anything else. Still, one of the presets
is set to 99.1 CBLA-FM Toronto CBC Radio One which is 109 miles from
my location. Overnight they replay a variety of newscasts from around
the world. Very often their signal comes in in stereo, especially
during the Winter. I don't think I've even begun to maximize the
Model 88's FM performance. For one thing, my ground floor location is
bounded on the south by an enormous three story triplex 40' away, and
a two story home 6' away on the north. I think if I can get a good
Yagi up above the rooftops this radio would really shine.

Regards,

Grumpus

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grumpus wrote:
Hi Tony. Neither the Gale Directory or CING's website indicate a
history for this station before 1976 under whatever call letters, but
you may well be correct. Bruce Elving's newest FM Atlas shows that
CING has migrated to 105.3 and a new station, CJXY, now occupies
107.9. It would be a stretch to say that I get a lot of the 90 mile


I think you mean 95.3 for CING. It swapped frequencies with CJXY a year
or two ago. Neither station is actually "new".

95.3 was CKDS in 1973; 107.9 came into existence as CING in 1976.

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Doug Smith W9WI wrote in message ...
grumpus wrote:
Hi Tony. Neither the Gale Directory or CING's website indicate a
history for this station before 1976 under whatever call letters, but
you may well be correct. Bruce Elving's newest FM Atlas shows that
CING has migrated to 105.3 and a new station, CJXY, now occupies
107.9. It would be a stretch to say that I get a lot of the 90 mile


I think you mean 95.3 for CING. It swapped frequencies with CJXY a year
or two ago. Neither station is actually "new".

95.3 was CKDS in 1973; 107.9 came into existence as CING in 1976.


You're probably right Doug, I wasn't sure if I remembered CING's new
frequency correctly even as I wrote it down...goes to show you don't
always fly when you wing it.

Regards ,

Grumpus
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A little station history.

Ontario
CING-FM Burlington, Shaw Radio Ltd.

1976
CING-FM began broadcasting on September 23. The station was owned by
Burlington Broadcasting Inc. Studios were at 4144 South Service Road. CING
operated on 107.9 MHz with 100,000 (50,000 horizontal & 50,000 vertical)
watts effective radiated power. Antenna height - 500 feet or 152.4 metres.

1978
September - FM 108 begins playing oldies, on the all-night show.

1980
CING-FM adopts an oldies and nostalgia format as FM 108.

1981
FM 108 began playing The Music of Your Life from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m., with
oldies through the rest of the day.

1989
March 3 - CING-FM began using the CRN satellite service overnight.

1991
September 1 - CING-FM changed to a dance format, as DANCE 108.

1997
On April 9, the CRTC approved a power decrease for CING-FM, from 50,000 to
26,100 watts, and a relocation of the transmitting facilities to a new site
approximately eight kilometres northwest of Burlington and to increase the
antenna height.
On June 10, the CRTC approved an application by Shaw Radio Ltd., and a group
of individual shareholders to purchase Burlington Broadcasting Inc
(CING-FM).

Later in the year, Shaw acquired 100% of CING-FM.

"Tony Meloche" wrote in message
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grumpus wrote:

Hi all. This past Spring I put my Cambridge Soundworks Model 88 table
radio, designed by the late Henry Kloss, through its paces on the FM
broadcast band. For the duration of the test, the radio sat in one
place in a ground floor room. The only antenna used was a cheap $2
plastic dipole tacked haphazardly to the wall; it too remained in one
place throughout the test. Here are my results



(4 part log snipped).



Good post, Grumpus. It appears that the radio has excellent
sensitivity with a very conventional antenna, and that your maximum
distance reception was about 120 miles - that would be top-end for any
good FM receiver with a dipole.


It also appears that CING, Burlington (Hamilton) is the old CKDS
that I used to listen to all day when I was working in Western New York
during the summers of 1970, '71 and '72.


I would be more interested in how many of those stations past the 90
mile range you were getting in good, listenable stereo. In "the old
days", any good, two-channel stereo image at a distance of 100 miles was
considered to be top-flight FM DX.

Tony


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