"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote in message
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"Leonard Martin" wrote
I wonder if they too, then, like us now, will solace themselves
| for their endless labor and perpetual fearfulness, by saying, "OK, my
life
| sucks, but I live in the "Greatest Country on Earth"!!!
|
| Leonard

....all the while singing the praises of Wal - Mart (where somany of them
now shop and work)...and its poverty wages (but not to fear...Wal - Mart
managers have their lists of welfare agencies that can hopefully provide
the employee - drones with some sort of health care)....

All in the greatest country on Earth.

73,

Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, MN

If you havent noticed, not everyone in the country works for Wal-Mart. Why
dont you do some research and see what the average wage in the US is and
report back to us here. That is your school assignment.
73
B

"Brian Oakley" wrote in message
...

If you havent noticed, not everyone in the country works for Wal-Mart. Why
dont you do some research and see what the average wage in the US is and
report back to us here. That is your school assignment.
73

But the average wage doesn't mean a lot to a great many people. The average
income is skewed by a very few very high paid corporate execs (who make many
times more a year than does the president), entertainers and sports figures.
This has the effect of raising the median income significantly when figured
as part of the whole. For every Enron exec making millions a year, there are
thousands of folks making less than $20G, which isn't a living of any kind
with our cost of living. There's a whole lot of grunt labor out there,
including a lot of the salespeople at your favorite radio store, that make
much closer to minimum wage...

"notchjohnson" wrote in message
...

Bush's tax rebates already put more burden on the working class who got
almost nothing back compared to the rich.


More misinformation, I fear, that is being spread! The truth is: percentage
wise, everyone got the same percentage back as everyone else! The reason
that the "rich" got more back, was that they payed "more" in taxes. The
"rich" pay 90% of the taxes paid in this country. "Most" of the low income
people essentially pay no taxes as they get back what is taken out of their
paychecks when they file their tax returns. In fact, some of them get what
was taken out, plus more dollars, through "earned income credit. That
credit can sometimes amount up to thousands of dollars.

This, "Greatest Country on Gods Green Earth", gives more people, more
opportunity, than any other country, on this planet. All one has to do, is
to be willing to work hard, and sometimes to sacrifice, in the short term,
to be successful in the long run. That willingness, I believe, has been
lost to a large number of people, due to the largess given to them by the
social, liberal do-gooders, in the form of social welfare. Why should
people want to work hard, if other people are willing to give them money for
just sitting on their, ever widening posteriors?

--
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle
behind each blade of grass." --Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto


"notchjohnson" wrote in message
...
Mike Lindo wrote:

You don't mention that the working Europeans pay for all of that through
enormous taxation. Again the burden is carried by the working people.
That
is what would also happen here if the socialist liberals have their way,
here in the United States.

And yes, Toto, this is the, "Greatest Country on Gods Green Earth".



Bush's tax rebates already put more burden on the working class who got
almost nothing back compared to the rich.






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Brenda Ann wrote:

"Brian Oakley" wrote in message
...

If you havent noticed, not everyone in the country works for Wal-Mart. Why
dont you do some research and see what the average wage in the US is and
report back to us here. That is your school assignment.
73

But the average wage doesn't mean a lot to a great many people. The average
income is skewed by a very few very high paid corporate execs (who make many
times more a year than does the president), entertainers and sports figures.
This has the effect of raising the median income significantly when figured
as part of the whole. For every Enron exec making millions a year, there are
thousands of folks making less than $20G, which isn't a living of any kind
with our cost of living. There's a whole lot of grunt labor out there,
including a lot of the salespeople at your favorite radio store, that make
much closer to minimum wage...

me thinks about the math for a second
lets assume you are correct
1000 people at 20g/yr
1 enron exec 10million/yr


1000 X 20,000 = 20,000,000
1 X 10,000,000 = 10,000,000

total 30,000,000

average

30,000,000/(1000 + 1) = 29,970 and change
actually that doesnt seem to me to skew the number all that bad

You bring a point. Democrats have always gone on the assumption that their
constituents are to stupid to understand a percentage. Unfortunately, they
appear to be correct.


"Mike Lindo" wrote in message news:EZ5Qb.4933

More misinformation, I fear, that is being spread! The truth is:
percentage
wise, everyone got the same percentage back as everyone else! The reason
that the "rich" got more back, was that they payed "more" in taxes. The
"rich" pay 90% of the taxes paid in this country.

That is quite correct. There are really not enough of the very rich to skew
the numbers to a significant degree.

"123.bam" "123.bam wrote in message
...
Brenda Ann wrote:

"Brian Oakley" wrote in message
...

If you havent noticed, not everyone in the country works for Wal-Mart.
Why
dont you do some research and see what the average wage in the US is
and
report back to us here. That is your school assignment.
73

But the average wage doesn't mean a lot to a great many people. The
average
income is skewed by a very few very high paid corporate execs (who make
many
times more a year than does the president), entertainers and sports
figures.
This has the effect of raising the median income significantly when
figured
as part of the whole. For every Enron exec making millions a year, there
are
thousands of folks making less than $20G, which isn't a living of any
kind
with our cost of living. There's a whole lot of grunt labor out there,
including a lot of the salespeople at your favorite radio store, that
make
much closer to minimum wage...

me thinks about the math for a second
lets assume you are correct
1000 people at 20g/yr
1 enron exec 10million/yr


1000 X 20,000 = 20,000,000
1 X 10,000,000 = 10,000,000

total 30,000,000

average

30,000,000/(1000 + 1) = 29,970 and change
actually that doesnt seem to me to skew the number all that bad

"Mike Lindo" wrote:
You don't mention that the working
Europeans pay for all of that through
enormous taxation. (snip)


Nonsense. While I don't agree with everything Leonard said, he is
absolutely correct about the taxes. When you compare the entire tax burdens
(sales, sin, property, state income, federal income, and so on), most
Europeans don't pay higher taxes. Further, because of the often higher
saleries, Europeans usually have more money to spend after taxes. Yet, in
spite of this, Europeans still enjoy the benefits described below. I've
worked in both places, paid taxes in both, and know this to be the truth. If
more Americans did the same, they would also realise the claim of "enormous
taxation" in Europe is false.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/



"Leonard Martin" wrote:

Hyperpatriot American morons never
listen to or watch international news.
Our masters see to that. If we Americans
heard about life in Europe, with its six
week vacations, free medical care, etc.,
long-term unemployment compensation,
and so on, we might stop running around
like obedient herd-dogs, doing ever more
for our masters, and ask why we, in the
"Wealthiest Country on Earth" don't have
those things. (snip)

Leonard Martin wrote:

Hyperpatriot American morons never listen to or watch international news.
Our masters see to that. If we Americans heard about life in Europe, with
its six week vacations, free medical care, etc., long-term unemployment
compensation, and so on, we might stop running around like obedient
herd-dogs, doing ever more for our masters, and ask why we, in the
"Wealthiest Country on Earth" don't have those things.

Of course, our corporations, with their promotion of the global economy,
are rapidly undermining Europe's lifestyle, so soon Europeans will be just
like us. I wonder if they too, then, like us now, will solace themselves
for their endless labor and perpetual fearfulness, by saying, "OK, my life
sucks, but I live in the "Greatest Country on Earth"!!!

Leonard

The why do you live here? Why don't you move to Europe?

"123.bam" "123.bam wrote in message
...
Brenda Ann wrote:

"Brian Oakley" wrote in message
...

If you havent noticed, not everyone in the country works for Wal-Mart.
Why
dont you do some research and see what the average wage in the US is
and
report back to us here. That is your school assignment.
73

But the average wage doesn't mean a lot to a great many people. The
average
income is skewed by a very few very high paid corporate execs (who make
many
times more a year than does the president), entertainers and sports
figures.
This has the effect of raising the median income significantly when
figured
as part of the whole. For every Enron exec making millions a year, there
are
thousands of folks making less than $20G, which isn't a living of any
kind
with our cost of living. There's a whole lot of grunt labor out there,
including a lot of the salespeople at your favorite radio store, that
make
much closer to minimum wage...

me thinks about the math for a second
lets assume you are correct
1000 people at 20g/yr
1 enron exec 10million/yr


1000 X 20,000 = 20,000,000
1 X 10,000,000 = 10,000,000

total 30,000,000

average

30,000,000/(1000 + 1) = 29,970 and change
actually that doesnt seem to me to skew the number all that bad



For US income information, try looking here.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p60-221.pdf

JJ ...

^ The why do you live here? Why don't you move to Europe?

You're suggesting that we should mold the people to fit the needs of the
nation instead of molding the nation to fit the needs of the people.

Frank