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Old February 8th 04, 05:14 PM
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If you read the news story that was printed in the WSU Sign Post
online News Paper. The 'arrest' came about during a WSU sponsored
event: MWB was on the Job at a Student Event.

Had MWB simply been 'doing-his-thing' at home alone or
with friends; most likely there would have been "No Problem".

BUT - The underlying issue for MWB's arrest and prosecution may
really have been a WSU 'official' [MWB] acting as a corrupting
influence on the "Young Students".

At that time the Good People of Utah, take a dim view of Adults
who have been a bad example for there youth.

about: The former Iron County District Attorney "Scott Burns"
became Federal Assistant Drug Czar in the Bush Adminstartion.
http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm

"Scott Burns" Deputy Director for State and Local Affairs at
the White House Office of Drug Control Policy.
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml

"Iron County District Attorney SCOTT BURNS has won reelection
in rural southern Utah four times by not prosecuting anyone
under the State's anti-polygamy laws and instead focusing the
resources of his office on marijuana users. His zeal in
prosecuting marijuana cases has earned him President George
W. Bush's nomination to be Deputy Director for State and Local
Affairs in the Office of National Drug Control Policy."
http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm


jm2cw ~ RHF


Thank you, Fisk.

First, thanks for proving that I was dealing with a prosecutor who had his
sights on a higher office. BTW, have you ever heard of prosecutor making such
statements to the press in a case involving misdemeanor marijuana before the
case even went to trial?

Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with
misguided priorities. Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of
polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced
juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made
a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of
marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that
they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The
fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal
appointment says a lot about Bush, too.

What I would like anyone still following this foolishness to do is read the
rest of your web sites instead of the snippet you chose to edit out. When they
do so they'll find out about:

1. Mr Burns' twice-failed attempt at statewide election to the Utah office of
State Attorney General. Verifying, of course, what N8KDV said I was lying
about.

2. The atrocious crimes perpetuated by polygamy upon juvenile females. Mr.
Burns ran for office bragging about having never prosecuted a single polygamist
married to an underage female. Obviously, a quarter ounce of marijuana was a
far more serious crime in his twisted scheme of reality. That George Bush would
reward Mr. Burns with a federal office is a telling indict of Mr. Bush's own
priorities.

3. That Cedar City paid its debt caused by bad Wall Street investments by a
collusion between the County Attorney (Scott Burns) and the City Attorney
(Alice Burns, Scotty's wife!) to heap inordinate penalties on travelers passing
through Cedar City. The routine was to file multiple charges with threats of
multi-year prison terms to get their victims to pay fines when they agreed to
non-contested plea bargains. So, the Burns' moral crusade against pot was an
extremely profit-based crusade. Yep, it's easy to see what Bush finds so
delightful about this fellow.

What you won't find in your sites, Mr. Fisk, is the way Scott Burns engaged in
a form of personal assassination against anyone he prosecuted. For example, the
interviews he called into three newspapers make it appear that I was caught
smoking pot with a male student in a hotel room. Nice overtones and subtle
hints of homosexuality. What he failed to mention was that there were over 15
people of both sexes and severaal schools in the hotel room relaxing and
socializing and that the substances found were not on my person. One might
wonder why a prosecutor would leave that information out.

BTW, it was 200 miles from WSU and not a WSU-sponsored event, as you suggested.


Again, folks, don't take my word for it. Read Roy Fisk's own URLs:

http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm

http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml

http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm

Thanks for all your help, Roy Fisk! Remember, it was George Bush, your favorite
President, that chose to reward an individual like Scott Burns.
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Old February 8th 04, 07:36 PM
Mark S. Holden
 
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Michael Bryant wrote:
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Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with
misguided priorities. Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of
polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced
juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made
a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of
marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that
they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The
fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal
appointment says a lot about Bush, too.


The job Bush appointed this guy to is in drug control.

Like it or not, grass is still illegal.

Seems like a better fit for him than the job he had.

It's not like Bush put him in charge of a Polygamy task force.



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Old February 8th 04, 07:52 PM
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Michael Bryant wrote:

If you read the news story that was printed in the WSU Sign Post
online News Paper. The 'arrest' came about during a WSU sponsored
event: MWB was on the Job at a Student Event.

Had MWB simply been 'doing-his-thing' at home alone or
with friends; most likely there would have been "No Problem".

BUT - The underlying issue for MWB's arrest and prosecution may
really have been a WSU 'official' [MWB] acting as a corrupting
influence on the "Young Students".

At that time the Good People of Utah, take a dim view of Adults
who have been a bad example for there youth.

about: The former Iron County District Attorney "Scott Burns"
became Federal Assistant Drug Czar in the Bush Adminstartion.
http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm

"Scott Burns" Deputy Director for State and Local Affairs at
the White House Office of Drug Control Policy.
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml

"Iron County District Attorney SCOTT BURNS has won reelection
in rural southern Utah four times by not prosecuting anyone
under the State's anti-polygamy laws and instead focusing the
resources of his office on marijuana users. His zeal in
prosecuting marijuana cases has earned him President George
W. Bush's nomination to be Deputy Director for State and Local
Affairs in the Office of National Drug Control Policy."
http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm

jm2cw ~ RHF

Thank you, Fisk.

First, thanks for proving that I was dealing with a prosecutor who had his
sights on a higher office.


Perhaps, but you did not answer my earlier question ;-) You alluded to the fact
that the reason he was prosecuting you in the manner in which he was because he was
running for another State office. Can you show us any evidence that he was running
for this office *during* the time frame in which he was prosecuting you?

BTW, have you ever heard of prosecutor making such
statements to the press in a case involving misdemeanor marijuana before the
case even went to trial?


Sure, all the time. Happens around here at least. After all, at the time you were a
bit of a *high profile case* as it were.



Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with
misguided priorities.


*Misguided priorities* Bryant? His *priorities* were to enforce the law as the
citizens of the State of Utah saw fit.

Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of
polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced
juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made
a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of
marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that
they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The
fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal
appointment says a lot about Bush, too.


Guess you'd have to provide some *statistics* for us to peruse before we could make
a judgment as to what you are stating above is true. But obviously it would appear
that the residents of Iron County were happy though, they *did* elect him four
times! You don't like elections or the *will* of the people Bryant?



What I would like anyone still following this foolishness to do is read the
rest of your web sites instead of the snippet you chose to edit out. When they
do so they'll find out about:

1. Mr Burns' twice-failed attempt at statewide election to the Utah office of
State Attorney General. Verifying, of course, what N8KDV said I was lying
about.


No, what I was asking about is referenced in my first statement in this post. That
is: Was he running for this office while he was prosecuting you? Simple question.



2. The atrocious crimes perpetuated by polygamy upon juvenile females. Mr.
Burns ran for office bragging about having never prosecuted a single polygamist
married to an underage female. Obviously, a quarter ounce of marijuana was a
far more serious crime in his twisted scheme of reality. That George Bush would
reward Mr. Burns with a federal office is a telling indict of Mr. Bush's own
priorities.

3. That Cedar City paid its debt caused by bad Wall Street investments by a
collusion between the County Attorney (Scott Burns) and the City Attorney
(Alice Burns, Scotty's wife!) to heap inordinate penalties on travelers passing
through Cedar City. The routine was to file multiple charges with threats of
multi-year prison terms to get their victims to pay fines when they agreed to
non-contested plea bargains. So, the Burns' moral crusade against pot was an
extremely profit-based crusade. Yep, it's easy to see what Bush finds so
delightful about this fellow.

What you won't find in your sites, Mr. Fisk, is the way Scott Burns engaged in
a form of personal assassination against anyone he prosecuted. For example, the
interviews he called into three newspapers make it appear that I was caught
smoking pot with a male student in a hotel room.


Nice overtones and subtle
hints of homosexuality. What he failed to mention was that there were over 15
people of both sexes and severaal schools in the hotel room relaxing and
socializing and that the substances found were not on my person. One might
wonder why a prosecutor would leave that information out.

BTW, it was 200 miles from WSU and not a WSU-sponsored event, as you suggested.

Again, folks, don't take my word for it. Read Roy Fisk's own URLs:

http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm

http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml

http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm

Thanks for all your help, Roy Fisk! Remember, it was George Bush, your favorite
President, that chose to reward an individual like Scott Burns.


Yada, Yada, Yada. Spin, Spin, Spin.

Yawn!


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Old February 8th 04, 08:24 PM
Michael Bryant
 
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From: N8KDV


Gee, Steve, you seem to have calmed down a little bit, today, so I'll answer
you, though if I had good sense, I'd probably recognize the futility of trying
to reason with you.



Perhaps, but you did not answer my earlier question ;-) You alluded to the
fact
that the reason he was prosecuting you in the manner in which he was because
he was
running for another State office. Can you show us any evidence that he was
running
for this office *during* the time frame in which he was prosecuting you?


Well, he had lost an earlier race to Jan Graham, the state's Democratic AG. He
had already announced his intent and formed a fundraising committe to explore
the possibilities of another run. I believe he lost the 2nd attemp, though I
don't know if it was in the statewide primary or the General Election. I had
left the state by then. The fact that he had two failed campaigns for AG was
mentioned in RHF's URLs. If you need more documentation, I'm sure you're
capable of finding it on your own.



BTW, have you ever heard of prosecutor making such
statements to the press in a case involving misdemeanor marijuana before

the
case even went to trial?


Sure, all the time. Happens around here at least. After all, at the time you
were a
bit of a *high profile case* as it were.


Could you document pre-trial statements from a prosecutor in Holland, MI, in a
case invovling a qarter of an ounce of pot. In a case that didn't even include
an arrest? Waiting for your URLs....




Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor

with
misguided priorities.


*Misguided priorities* Bryant? His *priorities* were to enforce the law as
the
citizens of the State of Utah saw fit.


So, why did he not enforce the statewide laws supported by the majority of Utah
citizens against polygamy? Against harder drug use by local Cedar City
citizens? The job of a prosecutor is not to enforce only those laws that he
believes he can make money on, while not endangering his local re-election
attempt.

Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of
polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of

forced
juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that

made
a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts

of
marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area

that
they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities.

The
fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for

federal
appointment says a lot about Bush, too.


Guess you'd have to provide some *statistics* for us to peruse before we
could make
a judgment as to what you are stating above is true.


The non-statistical evidence is in RHFs URLS. Read them, if you can.

But obviously it would
appear
that the residents of Iron County were happy though, they *did* elect him
four
times! You don't like elections or the *will* of the people Bryant?

Your view of democract is pretty twisted. That perspective would still have
police officers in the South looking the other way while minorities were being
lynched. Burns' failure to enforce polygamy laws or to crack down on Iron
County meth labs was wrong, even if it did keep him being re-elected by the
citizens of the Utah county with the largest number of polygamists.




What I would like anyone still following this foolishness to do is read the
rest of your web sites instead of the snippet you chose to edit out. When

they
do so they'll find out about:

1. Mr Burns' twice-failed attempt at statewide election to the Utah office

of
State Attorney General. Verifying, of course, what N8KDV said I was lying
about.


No, what I was asking about is referenced in my first statement in this post.
That
is: Was he running for this office while he was prosecuting you? Simple
question.


I don't think the election was in 2001, but most likely, the next year. But
when you're a politician your actions in a year prior to an election definitely
seems to convey PR possibilities.




2. The atrocious crimes perpetuated by polygamy upon juvenile females. Mr.
Burns ran for office bragging about having never prosecuted a single

polygamist
married to an underage female. Obviously, a quarter ounce of marijuana was

a
far more serious crime in his twisted scheme of reality. That George Bush

would
reward Mr. Burns with a federal office is a telling indict of Mr. Bush's

own
priorities.

3. That Cedar City paid its debt caused by bad Wall Street investments by a
collusion between the County Attorney (Scott Burns) and the City Attorney
(Alice Burns, Scotty's wife!) to heap inordinate penalties on travelers

passing
through Cedar City. The routine was to file multiple charges with threats

of
multi-year prison terms to get their victims to pay fines when they agreed

to
non-contested plea bargains. So, the Burns' moral crusade against pot was

an
extremely profit-based crusade. Yep, it's easy to see what Bush finds so
delightful about this fellow.

What you won't find in your sites, Mr. Fisk, is the way Scott Burns engaged

in
a form of personal assassination against anyone he prosecuted. For example,

the
interviews he called into three newspapers make it appear that I was caught
smoking pot with a male student in a hotel room.


Nice overtones and subtle
hints of homosexuality. What he failed to mention was that there were over

15
people of both sexes and severaal schools in the hotel room relaxing and
socializing and that the substances found were not on my person. One might
wonder why a prosecutor would leave that information out.

BTW, it was 200 miles from WSU and not a WSU-sponsored event, as you

suggested.

Again, folks, don't take my word for it. Read Roy Fisk's own URLs:

http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm

http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml

http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm

Thanks for all your help, Roy Fisk! Remember, it was George Bush, your

favorite
President, that chose to reward an individual like Scott Burns.




Yada, Yada, Yada. Spin, Spin, Spin.

Yawn!


And we all know, Steve, that your every word is full of meaning and there isn't
anything you'd ever dare to spin, right?

Come on, Steve. Be a reasonable person, instead of a constant warrior.

And thanks, again, to RHF.
Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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Old February 8th 04, 08:29 PM
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Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV


Gee, Steve, you seem to have calmed down a little bit, today, so I'll answer
you, though if I had good sense, I'd probably recognize the futility of trying
to reason with you.

Perhaps, but you did not answer my earlier question ;-) You alluded to the
fact
that the reason he was prosecuting you in the manner in which he was because
he was
running for another State office. Can you show us any evidence that he was
running
for this office *during* the time frame in which he was prosecuting you?


Well, he had lost an earlier race to Jan Graham, the state's Democratic AG. He
had already announced his intent and formed a fundraising committe to explore
the possibilities of another run. I believe he lost the 2nd attemp, though I
don't know if it was in the statewide primary or the General Election. I had
left the state by then. The fact that he had two failed campaigns for AG was
mentioned in RHF's URLs. If you need more documentation, I'm sure you're
capable of finding it on your own.


BTW, have you ever heard of prosecutor making such
statements to the press in a case involving misdemeanor marijuana before

the
case even went to trial?


Sure, all the time. Happens around here at least. After all, at the time you
were a
bit of a *high profile case* as it were.


Could you document pre-trial statements from a prosecutor in Holland, MI, in a
case invovling a qarter of an ounce of pot. In a case that didn't even include
an arrest? Waiting for your URLs....


Nope, can't *document* it, but prosecutors have been known both here and in other
locales to comment on their cases. Keep waiting!





Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor

with
misguided priorities.


*Misguided priorities* Bryant? His *priorities* were to enforce the law as
the
citizens of the State of Utah saw fit.


So, why did he not enforce the statewide laws supported by the majority of Utah
citizens against polygamy? Against harder drug use by local Cedar City
citizens? The job of a prosecutor is not to enforce only those laws that he
believes he can make money on, while not endangering his local re-election
attempt.

Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of
polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of

forced
juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that

made
a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts

of
marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area

that
they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities.

The
fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for

federal
appointment says a lot about Bush, too.


Guess you'd have to provide some *statistics* for us to peruse before we
could make
a judgment as to what you are stating above is true.


The non-statistical evidence is in RHFs URLS. Read them, if you can.

But obviously it would
appear
that the residents of Iron County were happy though, they *did* elect him
four
times! You don't like elections or the *will* of the people Bryant?

Your view of democract is pretty twisted. That perspective would still have
police officers in the South looking the other way while minorities were being
lynched. Burns' failure to enforce polygamy laws or to crack down on Iron
County meth labs was wrong, even if it did keep him being re-elected by the
citizens of the Utah county with the largest number of polygamists.



What I would like anyone still following this foolishness to do is read the
rest of your web sites instead of the snippet you chose to edit out. When

they
do so they'll find out about:

1. Mr Burns' twice-failed attempt at statewide election to the Utah office

of
State Attorney General. Verifying, of course, what N8KDV said I was lying
about.


No, what I was asking about is referenced in my first statement in this post.
That
is: Was he running for this office while he was prosecuting you? Simple
question.


I don't think the election was in 2001, but most likely, the next year. But
when you're a politician your actions in a year prior to an election definitely
seems to convey PR possibilities.



2. The atrocious crimes perpetuated by polygamy upon juvenile females. Mr.
Burns ran for office bragging about having never prosecuted a single

polygamist
married to an underage female. Obviously, a quarter ounce of marijuana was

a
far more serious crime in his twisted scheme of reality. That George Bush

would
reward Mr. Burns with a federal office is a telling indict of Mr. Bush's

own
priorities.

3. That Cedar City paid its debt caused by bad Wall Street investments by a
collusion between the County Attorney (Scott Burns) and the City Attorney
(Alice Burns, Scotty's wife!) to heap inordinate penalties on travelers

passing
through Cedar City. The routine was to file multiple charges with threats

of
multi-year prison terms to get their victims to pay fines when they agreed

to
non-contested plea bargains. So, the Burns' moral crusade against pot was

an
extremely profit-based crusade. Yep, it's easy to see what Bush finds so
delightful about this fellow.

What you won't find in your sites, Mr. Fisk, is the way Scott Burns engaged

in
a form of personal assassination against anyone he prosecuted. For example,

the
interviews he called into three newspapers make it appear that I was caught
smoking pot with a male student in a hotel room.


Nice overtones and subtle
hints of homosexuality. What he failed to mention was that there were over

15
people of both sexes and severaal schools in the hotel room relaxing and
socializing and that the substances found were not on my person. One might
wonder why a prosecutor would leave that information out.

BTW, it was 200 miles from WSU and not a WSU-sponsored event, as you

suggested.

Again, folks, don't take my word for it. Read Roy Fisk's own URLs:

http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm

http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml

http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm

Thanks for all your help, Roy Fisk! Remember, it was George Bush, your

favorite
President, that chose to reward an individual like Scott Burns.



Yada, Yada, Yada. Spin, Spin, Spin.

Yawn!


And we all know, Steve, that your every word is full of meaning and there isn't
anything you'd ever dare to spin, right?

Come on, Steve. Be a reasonable person, instead of a constant warrior.

And thanks, again, to RHF.
Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A
GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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Old February 8th 04, 09:16 PM
Michael Bryant
 
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From: N8KDV

Show us the *evidence* that he called every newspaper 'in a state'.


There are only two major newspapers in Utah - the Deseret News (owned by the
LDS Church) and the Salt Lake Tribune. Both are located 200 miles away from
Cedar City. Those two and the WSU Signpost (even further north) all ran pieces
citing contact from Burns.

I believe all three have internet searchable archives. Their stories were
essentially word-for-word the same.


You are saying you were not arrested? How could you be cited for possession
of
marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia and interfering with an arrest
then?

Semantics on your part perhaps?


Nope, three charges by citation. No arrest.
I've never seen the inside of any jail. They weren't interested in spending any
money to secure me, just in getting their hands on fine revenue.

No semantics. I was going to fight the charges in court, but the judge (against
Burns suggestions) kept the fines low enough where it made more sense to pay
them. No parole or probation. And no charges being filed against my debaters.

So, try to get over it, Steve. The whole thing had nothing to do with why you
got so ballistic in the first place. And I'vewon more in bets predicting your
actions in the past few days than I had to pay in fines! ;-)

Please feel free to prove where I'm lying about anything.

Whydon't we give the newsgroup a break, Centurion?

Mike

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