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If you read the news story that was printed in the WSU Sign Post
online News Paper. The 'arrest' came about during a WSU sponsored event: MWB was on the Job at a Student Event. Had MWB simply been 'doing-his-thing' at home alone or with friends; most likely there would have been "No Problem". BUT - The underlying issue for MWB's arrest and prosecution may really have been a WSU 'official' [MWB] acting as a corrupting influence on the "Young Students". At that time the Good People of Utah, take a dim view of Adults who have been a bad example for there youth. about: The former Iron County District Attorney "Scott Burns" became Federal Assistant Drug Czar in the Bush Adminstartion. http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm "Scott Burns" Deputy Director for State and Local Affairs at the White House Office of Drug Control Policy. http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml "Iron County District Attorney SCOTT BURNS has won reelection in rural southern Utah four times by not prosecuting anyone under the State's anti-polygamy laws and instead focusing the resources of his office on marijuana users. His zeal in prosecuting marijuana cases has earned him President George W. Bush's nomination to be Deputy Director for State and Local Affairs in the Office of National Drug Control Policy." http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm jm2cw ~ RHF Thank you, Fisk. First, thanks for proving that I was dealing with a prosecutor who had his sights on a higher office. BTW, have you ever heard of prosecutor making such statements to the press in a case involving misdemeanor marijuana before the case even went to trial? Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with misguided priorities. Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal appointment says a lot about Bush, too. What I would like anyone still following this foolishness to do is read the rest of your web sites instead of the snippet you chose to edit out. When they do so they'll find out about: 1. Mr Burns' twice-failed attempt at statewide election to the Utah office of State Attorney General. Verifying, of course, what N8KDV said I was lying about. 2. The atrocious crimes perpetuated by polygamy upon juvenile females. Mr. Burns ran for office bragging about having never prosecuted a single polygamist married to an underage female. Obviously, a quarter ounce of marijuana was a far more serious crime in his twisted scheme of reality. That George Bush would reward Mr. Burns with a federal office is a telling indict of Mr. Bush's own priorities. 3. That Cedar City paid its debt caused by bad Wall Street investments by a collusion between the County Attorney (Scott Burns) and the City Attorney (Alice Burns, Scotty's wife!) to heap inordinate penalties on travelers passing through Cedar City. The routine was to file multiple charges with threats of multi-year prison terms to get their victims to pay fines when they agreed to non-contested plea bargains. So, the Burns' moral crusade against pot was an extremely profit-based crusade. Yep, it's easy to see what Bush finds so delightful about this fellow. What you won't find in your sites, Mr. Fisk, is the way Scott Burns engaged in a form of personal assassination against anyone he prosecuted. For example, the interviews he called into three newspapers make it appear that I was caught smoking pot with a male student in a hotel room. Nice overtones and subtle hints of homosexuality. What he failed to mention was that there were over 15 people of both sexes and severaal schools in the hotel room relaxing and socializing and that the substances found were not on my person. One might wonder why a prosecutor would leave that information out. BTW, it was 200 miles from WSU and not a WSU-sponsored event, as you suggested. Again, folks, don't take my word for it. Read Roy Fisk's own URLs: http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm Thanks for all your help, Roy Fisk! Remember, it was George Bush, your favorite President, that chose to reward an individual like Scott Burns. |
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Michael Bryant wrote:
Snip Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with misguided priorities. Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal appointment says a lot about Bush, too. The job Bush appointed this guy to is in drug control. Like it or not, grass is still illegal. Seems like a better fit for him than the job he had. It's not like Bush put him in charge of a Polygamy task force. |
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![]() Michael Bryant wrote: If you read the news story that was printed in the WSU Sign Post online News Paper. The 'arrest' came about during a WSU sponsored event: MWB was on the Job at a Student Event. Had MWB simply been 'doing-his-thing' at home alone or with friends; most likely there would have been "No Problem". BUT - The underlying issue for MWB's arrest and prosecution may really have been a WSU 'official' [MWB] acting as a corrupting influence on the "Young Students". At that time the Good People of Utah, take a dim view of Adults who have been a bad example for there youth. about: The former Iron County District Attorney "Scott Burns" became Federal Assistant Drug Czar in the Bush Adminstartion. http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm "Scott Burns" Deputy Director for State and Local Affairs at the White House Office of Drug Control Policy. http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml "Iron County District Attorney SCOTT BURNS has won reelection in rural southern Utah four times by not prosecuting anyone under the State's anti-polygamy laws and instead focusing the resources of his office on marijuana users. His zeal in prosecuting marijuana cases has earned him President George W. Bush's nomination to be Deputy Director for State and Local Affairs in the Office of National Drug Control Policy." http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm jm2cw ~ RHF Thank you, Fisk. First, thanks for proving that I was dealing with a prosecutor who had his sights on a higher office. Perhaps, but you did not answer my earlier question ;-) You alluded to the fact that the reason he was prosecuting you in the manner in which he was because he was running for another State office. Can you show us any evidence that he was running for this office *during* the time frame in which he was prosecuting you? BTW, have you ever heard of prosecutor making such statements to the press in a case involving misdemeanor marijuana before the case even went to trial? Sure, all the time. Happens around here at least. After all, at the time you were a bit of a *high profile case* as it were. Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with misguided priorities. *Misguided priorities* Bryant? His *priorities* were to enforce the law as the citizens of the State of Utah saw fit. Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal appointment says a lot about Bush, too. Guess you'd have to provide some *statistics* for us to peruse before we could make a judgment as to what you are stating above is true. But obviously it would appear that the residents of Iron County were happy though, they *did* elect him four times! You don't like elections or the *will* of the people Bryant? What I would like anyone still following this foolishness to do is read the rest of your web sites instead of the snippet you chose to edit out. When they do so they'll find out about: 1. Mr Burns' twice-failed attempt at statewide election to the Utah office of State Attorney General. Verifying, of course, what N8KDV said I was lying about. No, what I was asking about is referenced in my first statement in this post. That is: Was he running for this office while he was prosecuting you? Simple question. 2. The atrocious crimes perpetuated by polygamy upon juvenile females. Mr. Burns ran for office bragging about having never prosecuted a single polygamist married to an underage female. Obviously, a quarter ounce of marijuana was a far more serious crime in his twisted scheme of reality. That George Bush would reward Mr. Burns with a federal office is a telling indict of Mr. Bush's own priorities. 3. That Cedar City paid its debt caused by bad Wall Street investments by a collusion between the County Attorney (Scott Burns) and the City Attorney (Alice Burns, Scotty's wife!) to heap inordinate penalties on travelers passing through Cedar City. The routine was to file multiple charges with threats of multi-year prison terms to get their victims to pay fines when they agreed to non-contested plea bargains. So, the Burns' moral crusade against pot was an extremely profit-based crusade. Yep, it's easy to see what Bush finds so delightful about this fellow. What you won't find in your sites, Mr. Fisk, is the way Scott Burns engaged in a form of personal assassination against anyone he prosecuted. For example, the interviews he called into three newspapers make it appear that I was caught smoking pot with a male student in a hotel room. Nice overtones and subtle hints of homosexuality. What he failed to mention was that there were over 15 people of both sexes and severaal schools in the hotel room relaxing and socializing and that the substances found were not on my person. One might wonder why a prosecutor would leave that information out. BTW, it was 200 miles from WSU and not a WSU-sponsored event, as you suggested. Again, folks, don't take my word for it. Read Roy Fisk's own URLs: http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm Thanks for all your help, Roy Fisk! Remember, it was George Bush, your favorite President, that chose to reward an individual like Scott Burns. Yada, Yada, Yada. Spin, Spin, Spin. Yawn! |
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![]() Michael Bryant wrote: From: "Mark S. Holden" The job Bush appointed this guy to is in drug control. Like it or not, grass is still illegal. Seems like a better fit for him than the job he had. It's not like Bush put him in charge of a Polygamy task force. While Iron County Attorney, Burns virtually ignored the exploding methamphetamine and crack cocaine trade to focus almost exclusively on busting college students and travelers coming and going from California on I-15. He knew he could coerce fines by multiplying the charges from people that weren't going to be voting against him the next election. Bottom line question: Were they breaking the law? While pot may be illegal, anyone with a history of focusing their enforcement efforts against marijuana at the expense of far more dangerous drugs is not the type of individual we need in Washington. Bottom line question: Is pot illegal? Was the prosecutor doing what he was elected to do by enforcing the law with regards to marijuana? Fortunately, he'll probably leave as soon as Bush is defeated. Perhaps. |
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![]() From: N8KDV Gee, Steve, you seem to have calmed down a little bit, today, so I'll answer you, though if I had good sense, I'd probably recognize the futility of trying to reason with you. Perhaps, but you did not answer my earlier question ;-) You alluded to the fact that the reason he was prosecuting you in the manner in which he was because he was running for another State office. Can you show us any evidence that he was running for this office *during* the time frame in which he was prosecuting you? Well, he had lost an earlier race to Jan Graham, the state's Democratic AG. He had already announced his intent and formed a fundraising committe to explore the possibilities of another run. I believe he lost the 2nd attemp, though I don't know if it was in the statewide primary or the General Election. I had left the state by then. The fact that he had two failed campaigns for AG was mentioned in RHF's URLs. If you need more documentation, I'm sure you're capable of finding it on your own. BTW, have you ever heard of prosecutor making such statements to the press in a case involving misdemeanor marijuana before the case even went to trial? Sure, all the time. Happens around here at least. After all, at the time you were a bit of a *high profile case* as it were. Could you document pre-trial statements from a prosecutor in Holland, MI, in a case invovling a qarter of an ounce of pot. In a case that didn't even include an arrest? Waiting for your URLs.... Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with misguided priorities. *Misguided priorities* Bryant? His *priorities* were to enforce the law as the citizens of the State of Utah saw fit. So, why did he not enforce the statewide laws supported by the majority of Utah citizens against polygamy? Against harder drug use by local Cedar City citizens? The job of a prosecutor is not to enforce only those laws that he believes he can make money on, while not endangering his local re-election attempt. Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal appointment says a lot about Bush, too. Guess you'd have to provide some *statistics* for us to peruse before we could make a judgment as to what you are stating above is true. The non-statistical evidence is in RHFs URLS. Read them, if you can. But obviously it would appear that the residents of Iron County were happy though, they *did* elect him four times! You don't like elections or the *will* of the people Bryant? Your view of democract is pretty twisted. That perspective would still have police officers in the South looking the other way while minorities were being lynched. Burns' failure to enforce polygamy laws or to crack down on Iron County meth labs was wrong, even if it did keep him being re-elected by the citizens of the Utah county with the largest number of polygamists. What I would like anyone still following this foolishness to do is read the rest of your web sites instead of the snippet you chose to edit out. When they do so they'll find out about: 1. Mr Burns' twice-failed attempt at statewide election to the Utah office of State Attorney General. Verifying, of course, what N8KDV said I was lying about. No, what I was asking about is referenced in my first statement in this post. That is: Was he running for this office while he was prosecuting you? Simple question. I don't think the election was in 2001, but most likely, the next year. But when you're a politician your actions in a year prior to an election definitely seems to convey PR possibilities. 2. The atrocious crimes perpetuated by polygamy upon juvenile females. Mr. Burns ran for office bragging about having never prosecuted a single polygamist married to an underage female. Obviously, a quarter ounce of marijuana was a far more serious crime in his twisted scheme of reality. That George Bush would reward Mr. Burns with a federal office is a telling indict of Mr. Bush's own priorities. 3. That Cedar City paid its debt caused by bad Wall Street investments by a collusion between the County Attorney (Scott Burns) and the City Attorney (Alice Burns, Scotty's wife!) to heap inordinate penalties on travelers passing through Cedar City. The routine was to file multiple charges with threats of multi-year prison terms to get their victims to pay fines when they agreed to non-contested plea bargains. So, the Burns' moral crusade against pot was an extremely profit-based crusade. Yep, it's easy to see what Bush finds so delightful about this fellow. What you won't find in your sites, Mr. Fisk, is the way Scott Burns engaged in a form of personal assassination against anyone he prosecuted. For example, the interviews he called into three newspapers make it appear that I was caught smoking pot with a male student in a hotel room. Nice overtones and subtle hints of homosexuality. What he failed to mention was that there were over 15 people of both sexes and severaal schools in the hotel room relaxing and socializing and that the substances found were not on my person. One might wonder why a prosecutor would leave that information out. BTW, it was 200 miles from WSU and not a WSU-sponsored event, as you suggested. Again, folks, don't take my word for it. Read Roy Fisk's own URLs: http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm Thanks for all your help, Roy Fisk! Remember, it was George Bush, your favorite President, that chose to reward an individual like Scott Burns. Yada, Yada, Yada. Spin, Spin, Spin. Yawn! And we all know, Steve, that your every word is full of meaning and there isn't anything you'd ever dare to spin, right? Come on, Steve. Be a reasonable person, instead of a constant warrior. And thanks, again, to RHF. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) |
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![]() Michael Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Gee, Steve, you seem to have calmed down a little bit, today, so I'll answer you, though if I had good sense, I'd probably recognize the futility of trying to reason with you. Perhaps, but you did not answer my earlier question ;-) You alluded to the fact that the reason he was prosecuting you in the manner in which he was because he was running for another State office. Can you show us any evidence that he was running for this office *during* the time frame in which he was prosecuting you? Well, he had lost an earlier race to Jan Graham, the state's Democratic AG. He had already announced his intent and formed a fundraising committe to explore the possibilities of another run. I believe he lost the 2nd attemp, though I don't know if it was in the statewide primary or the General Election. I had left the state by then. The fact that he had two failed campaigns for AG was mentioned in RHF's URLs. If you need more documentation, I'm sure you're capable of finding it on your own. BTW, have you ever heard of prosecutor making such statements to the press in a case involving misdemeanor marijuana before the case even went to trial? Sure, all the time. Happens around here at least. After all, at the time you were a bit of a *high profile case* as it were. Could you document pre-trial statements from a prosecutor in Holland, MI, in a case invovling a qarter of an ounce of pot. In a case that didn't even include an arrest? Waiting for your URLs.... Nope, can't *document* it, but prosecutors have been known both here and in other locales to comment on their cases. Keep waiting! Second, thanks for proving my point that I was dealing with a prosecutor with misguided priorities. *Misguided priorities* Bryant? His *priorities* were to enforce the law as the citizens of the State of Utah saw fit. So, why did he not enforce the statewide laws supported by the majority of Utah citizens against polygamy? Against harder drug use by local Cedar City citizens? The job of a prosecutor is not to enforce only those laws that he believes he can make money on, while not endangering his local re-election attempt. Even though Iron County has some of the highest rates of polygamy (hardly a victimless crime, particularly with frequent case of forced juvenile marriages) and methamphetamine abuse, here was a prosecutor that made a career of trying to send college student caught with miniscule amounts of marijuana to prison. It tells you a lot about the inhabitants of that area that they would four times relect an official with such misguided priorities. The fact the Your Pesident thought such misguided priorites ere cause for federal appointment says a lot about Bush, too. Guess you'd have to provide some *statistics* for us to peruse before we could make a judgment as to what you are stating above is true. The non-statistical evidence is in RHFs URLS. Read them, if you can. But obviously it would appear that the residents of Iron County were happy though, they *did* elect him four times! You don't like elections or the *will* of the people Bryant? Your view of democract is pretty twisted. That perspective would still have police officers in the South looking the other way while minorities were being lynched. Burns' failure to enforce polygamy laws or to crack down on Iron County meth labs was wrong, even if it did keep him being re-elected by the citizens of the Utah county with the largest number of polygamists. What I would like anyone still following this foolishness to do is read the rest of your web sites instead of the snippet you chose to edit out. When they do so they'll find out about: 1. Mr Burns' twice-failed attempt at statewide election to the Utah office of State Attorney General. Verifying, of course, what N8KDV said I was lying about. No, what I was asking about is referenced in my first statement in this post. That is: Was he running for this office while he was prosecuting you? Simple question. I don't think the election was in 2001, but most likely, the next year. But when you're a politician your actions in a year prior to an election definitely seems to convey PR possibilities. 2. The atrocious crimes perpetuated by polygamy upon juvenile females. Mr. Burns ran for office bragging about having never prosecuted a single polygamist married to an underage female. Obviously, a quarter ounce of marijuana was a far more serious crime in his twisted scheme of reality. That George Bush would reward Mr. Burns with a federal office is a telling indict of Mr. Bush's own priorities. 3. That Cedar City paid its debt caused by bad Wall Street investments by a collusion between the County Attorney (Scott Burns) and the City Attorney (Alice Burns, Scotty's wife!) to heap inordinate penalties on travelers passing through Cedar City. The routine was to file multiple charges with threats of multi-year prison terms to get their victims to pay fines when they agreed to non-contested plea bargains. So, the Burns' moral crusade against pot was an extremely profit-based crusade. Yep, it's easy to see what Bush finds so delightful about this fellow. What you won't find in your sites, Mr. Fisk, is the way Scott Burns engaged in a form of personal assassination against anyone he prosecuted. For example, the interviews he called into three newspapers make it appear that I was caught smoking pot with a male student in a hotel room. Nice overtones and subtle hints of homosexuality. What he failed to mention was that there were over 15 people of both sexes and severaal schools in the hotel room relaxing and socializing and that the substances found were not on my person. One might wonder why a prosecutor would leave that information out. BTW, it was 200 miles from WSU and not a WSU-sponsored event, as you suggested. Again, folks, don't take my word for it. Read Roy Fisk's own URLs: http://www.marijuana.org/PRmenageAtrois.htm http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15289.shtml http://www.hempevolution.org/media/m...g/mo011205.htm Thanks for all your help, Roy Fisk! Remember, it was George Bush, your favorite President, that chose to reward an individual like Scott Burns. Yada, Yada, Yada. Spin, Spin, Spin. Yawn! And we all know, Steve, that your every word is full of meaning and there isn't anything you'd ever dare to spin, right? Come on, Steve. Be a reasonable person, instead of a constant warrior. And thanks, again, to RHF. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) |
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![]() Michael Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Nope, can't *document* it, but prosecutors have been known both here and in other locales to comment on their cases. Keep waiting! I make a lengthy attempt to patiently answer all of your objections and the preceding two sentences are your response? As soon as you show me ANY prosecutor who called every newspaper in a state over a petty misdemeanor that didn't even involve an arrest, and i'll admit that I was WRONG and YOU were right. I bet I wait awhile. Show us the *evidence* that he called every newspaper 'in a state'. You are saying you were not arrested? How could you be cited for possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia and interfering with an arrest then? Semantics on your part perhaps? |
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