In article ,
"Frank Dresser" wrote:

"Larry Ozarow" wrote in message
...
Frank, it's true that this is what the Boston
Globe op-ed piece says, but it's based on a total
misunderstanding of the analysis that (AFAIK) started
this whole red-blue thing - David Brooks' article
in 2001 in the Atlantic. Brooks is a conservative
but he characterized the blue electorate as more
educated, and by no small margin. It's well-known
that I am not a confrontational polarized kind of guy,
but it's unfair that conservatives can get away with
characterizing liberals as effete over-educated slobs,
and as undereducated boobs, glued to Jerry Springer.

Oz



Any generalization about liberals, or any group, will probably be unfair.
But I don't think it's unreasonable to counter one unfair generalization
with another unfair generalization in an discussion. Everyone gets a fair
chance to clarify their points.

And as far as the analysis of education and politics -- I don't know how
much can be made of it. It might be true that liberals(or democrats) have
more formal education than conservatives(or republicans), but so what? My
formal education ended when I dropped out of a junior college trade school.
I'm capable of learning independently, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I
don't consider myself anyone's fool. And I haven't seen any proof that
formal education is immunization from foolishness.

Frank Dresser



I'm sure you're no fool. What you may well lack (and if you do you'll
have no way of knowing it) is intellectual and historical context for
today's prevailing ideas. Contextual knowledge help in analyzing and
evaluating ideas. I still remember the wide new panoramas of insight and
understanding that I discovered in college.

Leonard

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor

Frank Dresser wrote:


Any generalization about liberals, or any group, will probably be unfair.
But I don't think it's unreasonable to counter one unfair generalization
with another unfair generalization in an discussion. Everyone gets a fair
chance to clarify their points.

Sure, just to clarify - I was pointing out the the guy who wrote the
op-ed piece in the Globe employed a stereotype about liberals which
was opposite to the stereotype that was used in David Brooks' article,
which introduced the pseudo-scientific blue/red dichotomy that he was
employing. Since Brooks also identifies himself as conservative, this
wasn't a political disagreement, Severin just needed an unflattering
pseudo-fact to support his thesis that liberal radio is bound to fail,
so he made one up. It might fail, but not because the liberals are all
too busy watching Jerry Springer, as he claimed. (Nor because they'll
all be at wine and cheese parties listing to Elliot Carter).


And as far as the analysis of education and politics -- I don't know how
much can be made of it. It might be true that liberals(or democrats) have
more formal education than conservatives(or republicans), but so what? My
formal education ended when I dropped out of a junior college trade school.
I'm capable of learning independently, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I
don't consider myself anyone's fool. And I haven't seen any proof that
formal education is immunization from foolishness.

Frank Dresser



True. I might add that not all liberals are snobs and not all conservatives
are regular guys.

"Larry Ozarow" wrote in message
...


[snip]


True. I might add that not all liberals are snobs and not all
conservatives
are regular guys.


CONSERVATIVE, n.
A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the
Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.

Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

"Leonard Martin" wrote in message
...

I'm sure you're no fool. What you may well lack (and if you do you'll
have no way of knowing it) is intellectual and historical context for
today's prevailing ideas. Contextual knowledge help in analyzing and
evaluating ideas. I still remember the wide new panoramas of insight and
understanding that I discovered in college.

Leonard


I find out what I don't know every time I'm challenged and I can't back up
what I say.

Frank Dresser

On 07 Apr 2004 13:29:56 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Wed 07 Apr 2004 08:15:42a, B Banton wrote in
message :

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 06:58:15 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

You are a real left wing looney.


The above says it all about conservatives. Their stupidity is rooted
in fear and insecurity.


"Tweeeet! Off-setting Penalties, Drop back five-yards and punt!"

Is not your reply above simply using more words to say (basically) the
same thing?

Perhaps in the immediate exchange between "B Banton" and "Telemon",
they've unintentionally confirmed a generality: Liberals and Conservatives
both sling the same arrows; however, Conservatives tend to be less verbose
about it and Liberals more verbose.

-=jd=-


Point taken.