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April 21st 04, 06:14 AM
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#33
April 21st 04, 06:46 AM
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"Lawrence H. Bulk" wrote in message ... Information and education were really what brought down the communists. I met some individuals from Czechoslovakia and Hungary during the "cold war" and while they had some potent arguments for the merits of their system, their failings, once exposed to them and to their people, outweighed any advantages their system might have offered. Once their people really knew about the outside world, they themselves brought down their governments and their failed system. OK, you're right about that. The propaganda war was central to the success of the conatainment strategy. I've no doubt that, had the communists actually been able to entirely close off and censor their countries, they could have created their own dark age. "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others." Were the communists a scourge of mankind? Of course they were (20,000,000 Russians killed by Stalin, among other atrocities), but their system at least started out with some noble purpose. It just worked out exactly the opposite of what its founders envisioned. Well, the Bolsheviks lost their moral superiority, probably sometime before they decided to murder the Czar's family. But that's the sort of thing true believers will do. The Communists, at least at the start, were every bit as much a bunch of true believers as the Christians during the Dark Ages or as the fanatic Muslims are now. But the real evil of true believer orthodoxy is the limitation of people's choices. Life is unpredictable, even for people we like to think are "smart". Let a religion or party choose the one true path, and that path will certainly end up being wrong. But those in charge of the true path will never blame their doctrine, they'll blame the people. (This is a poor point here in this argument, but how many Americans [native, black, etc.] have been killed with the tacit acceptance of the government?) I don't know the number. But influential people dehuminized Blacks and Indians, and the government followed along. The shame is these people didn't get Constitutional protection from the get go. The "religious" broacasters have no noble purpose. Just MONEY. That depends which religious broadcasters you're talking about. There's a large number of standard theology evangalists on the radio. I think the style and content of EWTN's broadcasts are somewhat similiar in character and tone to the some of the calmer old propaganda broadcasts. The Christian Scientists run their newspaper and ran thier SW station as part of their religious mission. However, guys like Brother Stair get most of the attention. And while I certainly believe Brother Stair is an old reprobate con-artist, I can't prove it. That's hardly unique to religion. Fool/Money/Parted. But these "religious" broadcasters prey (no pun intended) on it. That is their sole (again, no pun ...) reason for existence. But people have the choice! And it's never been easier to do the research. They are very entertaining!! Maybe they give you a good laugh but I can tell you that, among other things, they are ruining the shortwave hobby They are adding to the hobby. The religious broadcasters do sell radios and add listeners. The programs may feature a different sort of propaganda, but none of these programs are forcing any of the old line broadcasters to go away. (as well as being inherently evil). The extreme religious broadcasters may very well be evil. But, again, we have plenty of choices. A theocracy, or other government of true believers, would be far more evil. I have given shortwave receivers as gifts to four individuals, three youngsters and one adult. I have shown them how to use these radios, as much as one can do in an hour or two. After a month or somewhat more, they all had the same complaint: nothing but "religious" shows on shortwave. Sure I tell them where to tune, but the complaint persists. No shortwave converts here. Regardless of what anyone says or even believes, this ("religious" broadcasts), more than anything else I can think of, is very damaging to the hobby, in my opinion. I doubt more than 5% of the public ever cared for SW radio, and the interest probably peaked in the prewar, preTV era. Is there any reason to think that your friends would have any interest in SW, no matter what the programming? After all, Radio Nederland and the BBC, among others, can still be heard most of the time. Shortwave broadcasting has gone through several changes in the US. Ignoring the spark era, the first broadcast era was centered around several domestic SW stations, most of which simulcast programming from a local station. The propaganda era started with WW2 and started decling with the fall of the Berlin Wall. Now we're in the religious broadcaster era. It seems likely that the small number of listeners from one era would find another one a disapointment. For example, a prewar listener who liked hearing local radio content from across the country might very well find the propaganda broadcasters annoying. Why not, that's not what got him into the hobby! And the hobby never had much appeal to most people anyway. These hucksters are not interested in shortwave, or even, again in my opinion, in true religious beliefs. They only want MONEY! Maybe. Let's be glad they can't be theocrats. Sorry for the diatribe, but I really feel strongly about this. I love listening to the shortwaves for the fun of it (there is still something magical about it that the internet can never replace) and for the information it brings about countries that I shall never have the opportunity to visit. Are the opinions biased? Certainly they are, but all human opinions are biased in one way or another. At least these foreign broadcasts have mostly a decent purpose behind them, whether or not you believe in their system The purpose wasn't entirely decent, at least in the case of the communist propaganda broadcasters. I'm sure they employed decent people, but they were there to put a pleasant face on a bad system. A system which would put the world into a Dark Age of orthodoxy every bit as stifleing as the ones the theocrats cooked up. (I have no use whatsoever for Fidel Castro, but look at the record: he has outlasted nine US presidents [and who knows, he may outlast George W. Bush]. If there have been any assassination attempts by his own people against him, I am unaware of them. (Of course they wouldn't make that a headline on Radio Havana!) You and I don't like him, all the refugees don't either, but maybe some of his people do! No doubt, and they can go straight to Walterboro if their current bearded guru kicks the bucket! I have just as much contempt for the "religious" broadcasters as I do for Castro. Castro's worse. He limits choices to keep himself in power, including the ultimate limitations of the prision and the firing squad. Brother Stair says "If you don't believe me, stop listening!!" Again my apologies. You certainly have every right to believe the way you do (and you don't need my "permission" to do so). Nothing to apologize for! Lawrence Frank Dresser |
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#34
April 21st 04, 12:28 PM
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FW - Speaking of Credibility - Your are Incredibility
 )Most of the sources on the internet relate back to the Spokane Spokesman-Review as the primary source of this Incredibility INFERENCE and INNUENDO with 'relation' to the "Human Reliability Program" and its application to personal that would have access to Nuclear Weapons. http://www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian...es/000811.html PLEASE NOTE: All these sources clearly state that there is NO Documentation {NO Evidence} related to George "W" Bush and the "Human Reliability Program". http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...e=200431401040 The BIG LIE - These so called 'reporters' then go on to IMPLY that this must be part of a Cover-Up and that in-fact George "W" Bush must have moved from Texas to Alabama and then went AWOL to 'avoid' the "Human Reliability Program". ACTUALLY {A Little Known Fact} : As an F-102 Delta Dagger Jet "Interceptor" Pilot George "W" Bush http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/airc...fo/closeup.jpg Was use to fly routine Air Defense Missions that employed the use of 'conventional' Rockets and Air-to-Air Missiles to intercept and knock out of the sky Russian Bombers. http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/resea...ghter/f102.htm NOTE: The F-102 was NOT equipped with Canons {Guns}. http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/airc.../info/info.htm RECORDS: Records do show Bush had a ‘‘secret" security clearance for Cold War fighter-interceptor missions which routinely carried Conventional Warheads and Weapons (Non nuclear weapons). While the type of aircraft that GW Bush flew was 'capable' of Carrying Nuclear-Tipped Missiles. That was NOT their mission [.] http://www.strategic-air-command.com...delta_dart.htm TBL: Non Sequitur = Nuclear Weapons = "Human Reliability Program" http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/f-102.htm Hello FW - To use your own words: oops, Oops. OOPS ! FW - Nice Try... but you are just trying to Blow Smoke on "4-20" Day. FW a 'short wave' Good Bye to you ~ RHF .. .. = = = (Frank White) wrote in message = = = ... In article , says... Frank White wrote: snip How's your credibility, btw? Pretty damn good as far as I know! How's yours? Better than yours, I think. Much better. Let's cut to the chase here. You said that my suggestion (that Duyba may have run into the Air Forces' HUMAN RELIABIILTY PROGRAM and that's why his military records are incomplete, leading to charges he was AWOL) was untrue. And basically you called me a liar. I responded by provided cites from - and a URL to - a newspaper article from a fairly reputable paper saying exactly the same thing as I had. I also pointed out that even a cursory search of Google ("human reliablity program' air force) indicated that the program did exist and did functioned as outlined in the article. You shut up at that point. But silence isn't enough. I need you to either specify why you said my original statement was untrue so that I can expand my knowledge on this subject and be able to reach an informed decision. Or I need a 'Oops' from you. That's it. All I want. I don't get either, that tells me all I need to know regarding the true state of your credibility. And whether I regard you as a vauled fellow poster or a troll. Your move. FW PS: Shortwave .. |
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#36
April 21st 04, 01:29 PM
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Michael Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Listen to me here real good ****Wad... You are full of ****! As soon as you can show me that you have the frickin DX credentials that I have, someday I might just believe you here in this group. It's nice to see that Steve Lare can find someone else to act like an asshole with while I'm gone! It's truly insightful to see how Republicans, like Steve, treat other people. Very insigtful. So damn 'insigtful' you can't spell it! Wipe the crap outta your eyes Fat Boy and get your ass to work! |
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#37
April 21st 04, 01:33 PM
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Michael Bryant wrote: From: N8KDV Listen to me here real good ****Wad... You are full of ****! As soon as you can show me that you have the frickin DX credentials that I have, someday I might just believe you here in this group. It's nice to see that Steve Lare can find someone else to act like an asshole with while I'm gone! It's truly insightful to see how Republicans, like Steve, treat other people. It's truly insightful to see how hopeless academics lie about their credentials! |
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#38
April 21st 04, 03:43 PM
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Dear Frank,
Well at least we've had an interesting discussion, agreeing on some points and disagreeing on others. That's what makes the world go around and as long as no one holds a gun to the other's head, telling him he must believe "his way," everything is fine. I, like most people, always hated the communists (and all other totalitarian regimes) and I believe that the "religious broadcasters," while they do not actually hold a gun to your head, use an unarguable agenda which they use to further themselves and themselves only. (As I said, there are certainly some legitimate religious broadcasters.) Plus I still feel they are ruining the hobby. (Sure they sell radios; big deal. It's just another profit-making venture for them. The more people who listen to their broadcasts, the more money they can get!) "Brother" Stair appears to be an obvious "wacko" and sexual pervert. By the way, DO NOT go to church; if you do, you are definitely and positively under the influence of Satan. As the "church age" is over, you should not support your church in any way. Harold Camping says so. By the way, Harold would like you to send him some money. I really feel that these people and others like them who constitute the "now-mainstream" SW "religious" broadcasters are inherently evil. This is my opinion. I'm afraid that you and I are going to have to "agree to disagree" on that point. However, as I said, it certainly has been interesting. You are obviously a very reasoned and thoughtful person. We need more (many more) like you. Lawrence P.S. I never actually read Mao's "Little Red Book." |
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#39
April 21st 04, 10:15 PM
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I have Marx's "The Communist Manifesto" and "Das Kapital";
Ah, "Das Kapital", the 2nd best selling book in history. |
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#40
April 22nd 04, 01:09 AM
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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... From: N8KDV Listen to me here real good ****Wad... You are full of ****! As soon as you can show me that you have the frickin DX credentials that I have, someday I might just believe you here in this group. It's nice to see that Steve Lare can find someone else to act like an asshole with while I'm gone! It's truly insightful to see how Republicans, like Steve, treat other people. Very insigtful. Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) Michael, First off, you should spellcheck your trolls. (" Very insigtful.") -- As you have been fond of finding fault in others', I knew you'd appreciate this. Second, your observation about how "Republicans" act is hilarious (as usual -- one word, Mike -- "demographics"). And third, F.W. really WAS full of **** that time. Heheh. -- Stinger |
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