How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a moral base for
torture are ignoring the words of your own leader? Aren't you listening to your
own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
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How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a moral base
for
torture are ignoring the words of your own leader? Aren't you
listening to your
own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee. Would you mind
saying what/who you think it refers to? I'm always wondering who's in
that box and who isn't as far as you're concerned. For most
conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.

From: "T. Early"

You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee. Would you mind
saying what/who you think it refers to? I'm always wondering who's in
that box and who isn't as far as you're concerned. For most
conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.

You're one. Not really conservative, but willing to support anyone that gives
you a chance to strike back at your even less precisely-defined notion of a
liberal/leftist.

But eschewing your diversionary question, what do you think of Bush's stand on
the digusting depravity he's seen in the photos?


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"T. Early" wrote in message
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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
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How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a moral base
for
torture are ignoring the words of your own leader? Aren't you
listening to your
own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee. Would you mind
saying what/who you think it refers to? I'm always wondering who's in
that box and who isn't as far as you're concerned. For most
conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.


I expressed the same sentiment yesterday, as well.

Besides, MWB's original post was pure troll.

-- Stinger

From: "Stinger"

Besides, MWB's original post was pure troll.

Impressive analytical skills. Call anything you can't answer a "troll".

OK, This NG has witnessed many people defending the morality of torture for
"higher ends." Don't deny what everyone can read.

How do you think those folks can deal with the owrds of their own leader
without revealing the shifting sands of a contradictory stance.

What's a liberal? How is that term been any better defined by you?


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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
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From: "T. Early"

You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee. Would you mind
saying what/who you think it refers to? I'm always wondering who's
in
that box and who isn't as far as you're concerned. For most
conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.

You're one. Not really conservative, but willing to support anyone
that gives
you a chance to strike back at your even less precisely-defined
notion of a
liberal/leftist.

In short, you're not going to answer my question but are going to
defer the answer by striking back with your own less precisely-defined
notion of a neo-conservative.

Here's a pretty good line (told to me by a Jewish friend BTW) that may
help: "con" is short for conservative, and "neo" is short for Jewish.

Not exact, but true in a lot of instances since the original
neo-conservatives were largely Jewish former liberals who jumped ship
when the excesses at that end of the spectrum became too much to bear.


But eschewing your diversionary question, what do you think of
Bush's stand on
the digusting depravity he's seen in the photos?


I realize that I'm feeding a straight line here, but isn't his stand
on this a no-brainer? But my opinion may not count since you'd have
a hard time finding me rationalizing true torture. I stick to
questioning your fast and loose definition of what constitutes
torture.

From: "T. Early"

In short, you're not going to answer my question but are going to
defer the answer by striking back with your own less precisely-defined
notion of a neo-conservative.

No, I'm pointing out that your constant use of the term "liberal" is even less
preceisely-defined. Why do you neo-cons always invent or create words when you
can't defend your original concepts?

Here's a pretty good line (told to me by a Jewish friend BTW) that may
help: "con" is short for conservative, and "neo" is short for Jewish.

Duh. Neo is a prefix meaning "near." Has zip, nada, zillch to do with Jews.
More invention for dramatic license? You can really spin those homilies....

But eschewing your diversionary question, what do you think of
Bush's stand on
the digusting depravity he's seen in the photos?


I realize that I'm feeding a straight line here, but isn't his stand
on this a no-brainer? But my opinion may not count since you'd have
a hard time finding me rationalizing true torture. I stick to
questioning your fast and loose definition of what constitutes
torture.


So your argument boils down to "It's not torture"?

Geez, whatever you want to call it, how do you feel about this quote from
Bush's press secretary:

"The president's reaction was one of deep disgust and disbelief that anyone who
wears our uniform would engage in such shameful and appalling acts," White
House spokesman Scott McClellan said. "It does not represent our United States
military and it does not represent the United States of America."

Why are you neocons so out of sync with your own leader? Do you think he's just
sucking up to the Arabs and the liberal press? What does that say about his
"integrity"?

Good luck figuring it out.



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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
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From: "T. Early"

In short, you're not going to answer my question but are going to
defer the answer by striking back with your own less
precisely-defined
notion of a neo-conservative.

No, I'm pointing out that your constant use of the term "liberal" is
even less
preceisely-defined. Why do you neo-cons always invent or create
words when you
can't defend your original concepts?

Do me a favor here MB, and I'm going to follow up on it. Google T.
Early as author in rec.radio. shortwave, and search for the term
liberal. See how many times I've used the term (not how many times
posts that I've replied to have used it), and then let's discuss
"constant use." Maybe then we can discuss your consistent
misstatements here (such as that whopper). BTW, I acknowledge calling
Al Franken a liberal and referring to NPR, the Washington Post, and NY
Times as liberal--- over the course of -lots- of posts. Mea Culpa on
those controversial statements.


Here's a pretty good line (told to me by a Jewish friend BTW) that
may
help: "con" is short for conservative, and "neo" is short for
Jewish.

Duh. Neo is a prefix meaning "near." Has zip, nada, zillch to do
with Jews.
More invention for dramatic license? You can really spin those
homilies....


It's a Joke!!!!! Doh!

BTW, "neo" as a prefix means "new." Most of these folks were liberals
in the 70s and early 80s. You might want to reassess your view on the
"neo-con" concept.

But eschewing your diversionary question, what do you think of
Bush's stand on
the digusting depravity he's seen in the photos?


I realize that I'm feeding a straight line here, but isn't his
stand
on this a no-brainer? But my opinion may not count since you'd
have
a hard time finding me rationalizing true torture. I stick to
questioning your fast and loose definition of what constitutes
torture.


So your argument boils down to "It's not torture"?

No, my "argument" on this issue has pretty consistently been that the
use of the word "torture" in this newsgroup (mostly, I think, by you)
is designed to be politically inflammatory and is directly at odds
with most reputable coverage of the situation-- which consistently
uses terms like "abuse" as opposed to "torture," even where the
sources are not that administration-friendly. From what I have read
recently, there is stuff on the way that comes a lot closer to what I
would consider torture.

Geez, whatever you want to call it, how do you feel about this quote
from
Bush's press secretary:

"The president's reaction was one of deep disgust and disbelief that
anyone who
wears our uniform would engage in such shameful and appalling acts,"
White
House spokesman Scott McClellan said. "It does not represent our
United States
military and it does not represent the United States of America."

Why are you neocons so out of sync with your own leader? Do you
think he's just
sucking up to the Arabs and the liberal press? What does that say
about his
"integrity"?

Good luck figuring it out.

I do have it figured out; it's a highly appropriate statement. You
also appear to have me confused with someone else. I continue to
wonder how someone who does not know what a "neo-con" -is- can
classify anyone -as- one.

OK I'll give it a try.....

Here are 20 tell-tale signs that you're a liberal.

1. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of
federal funding.
No - but Gov't help could slow it's spread. Just like the gov't helps
to find a cure for Cancer, helps the needy, etc... Just like Jesus
would do.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders
how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
You would equate a good book with good sex.

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans
are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands
of Chinese and North Korean communists.
Americans kill plenty more Americans than the Chinks. And lots of
times they do it with guns - stupid.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.
The gov't gives you money for holding a mortgage so why can't they
fund the arts?

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by
soccer moms driving SUV's.
SUV's don't help.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being
homosexual is natural.
Both are natural. At what age did you decide to be a hetero?

7. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on
demand.
I wouldn't want an abortion if I didn't demand it. And Capital
Punishment - well, when they stop making mistakes then go for it.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
create prosperity.
Part of the reason for America's prosperity is our form of Gov't.
It's simply the best.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.
Hunting is fine with me but people in San Fran can love the env too.
Gee ur stupid.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually
doing something to earn it.
Uh - I don't understand that one.

11. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts
of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution.
I'm for the ACLU because there should always be a Yin and Yang. We
actually need dumservatives like yourself too. There - I said it. As
for guns - I just don't want people in trailers to have 'em. And
criminals. And kids.

12. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too
high.
Show me someone that thinks taxes are too low and I'll show you
someone who likes ATM fees.

13. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more
important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee
and Thomas Edison.
Women are important. Just ask your mother.

14. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides are not.
Rasicm is stereotyping people. Just like you're doing with this list
stupid.

15. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very
nice person.
How would I know? I only hear what the liberal media tells me.

16 . You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in
charge.
FDR made it work.

17. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail,
but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.
Former drunks can be forgiven.

18. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,
transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and
manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal
One's religious - one is not. Peter Paul has nuts - Mounds don't.

19. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the
Chinese government is somehow in the best interest to the United States.
It is if it gets a Democrat elected. Muhahahaha...

20. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast right wing
conspiracy.
No - it's a posting from a dumservative and very typical. Almost
stereotypical. Woa.



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Now here's some quotes for you. You tell me if they are from a
Conservative or Liberal.

Academics who lie about their credentials are "scum".

You ain't got a clue! Now go look in the mirror, I think your tin foil
hat is just a wee bit askew.

You gonna lie on Mother's Day Fat Boy? Come on, tell us some lies on
Mother's Day!

I'd have no problem torturing any lying academic who falsifies his
credentials such as you have.

Guess it would help the gene pool though! Mother Nature is not stupid!

Get back to me sometime when you've got your **** in the properly
sized sack.

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In article ,
"Stinger" wrote:

"T. Early" wrote in message
...

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
How come all you neocons that are so busy rationalizing a moral base
for
torture are ignoring the words of your own leader? Aren't you
listening to your
own leader?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82G3FK00.html


You toss the word "neocon" about like a frisbee. Would you mind
saying what/who you think it refers to? I'm always wondering who's in
that box and who isn't as far as you're concerned. For most
conservatives, it has a very definite meaning.


I expressed the same sentiment yesterday, as well.

Besides, MWB's original post was pure troll.

He's the king of Trolls.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California