"-=jd=-" wrote in message
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Somehow, I don't see the protestations from SW preachers (in general) as
being very effective towards stopping BPL... I almost think that may only
serve to speed it's implementation! g



-=jd=-


I do think the politicians would listen to the National Association of
Religious Broadcasters, or whatever they call themselves.

Frank Dresser

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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Nor does he have a clue about how people choose to spend their money. For
example he mentions that there is good market potential since 80% of the
internet users are still on dial up. He seems to think that they will
switch to BPL. But let's look at why they are on dial up. It is cost.
Dial up is still the cheapest access and it will be cheaper than the
projected cost for BPL. Unless they can get much closer to dial up in
price, most will NOT switch. There's a dial up service around here that
is
only about $10 per month. Even the most expensive dial up in this area
tops
out at $20 per month. BPL won't be able to snag a major share of the dial
users no matter what anyone would like to believe assuming their projected
costs are accurate.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


That's another good point. I think $30 bucks a month might attract alot of
buyers to BPL, but it's still not low enough for cheapskates such as myself.
I do think the likely number of buyers is researchable, but reporters don't
always do research. Since the number is unspecified, I'll assume the BPL
folk didn't bring up this fundamental issue in their press release.

The finanical press usually has a disclaimer at the end of their columns.
Something like "Our columnist owns no stock or any other interest in the
company". That's nice, but it would be more informative to the reader if
the disclaimer said "Our columinist has done no research for this column
beyond reading the press releases of the company".

Frank Dresser

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
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Oh - I thought the poster intimated the "less than mainstream" SW
preachers, ala "Profit Stair", etc.



-=jd=-

I suppose he was, but I'm thinking of the all the religious broadcasters
who've set up shop on the SW bands in the last 20 years or so. They have
demonstrated a measure of political clout in that the old rules against
domestic SW broadcasting are now freely ignored. These guys have a
significant investment to protect, particularly those guys who buy another
100 kW transmitter every 18 months or so.

Frank Dresser

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:32:31 -0000, (Dave Platt)
wrote:

I agree that if BPL is rolled out en mass, it _is_ likely to cause
serious interference with HF operations (amateur and otherwise), and
that the momentum of "Hey, we've invested billions to field BPL, you
can't just shut us down" is likely to override the original "No, there
won't be interference" promised.

You've hit on a key issue here -- interests will cry out
against "premature regulation" or promise to mitigate if regulation is
already in place. Then, when damage to others has been shown to exist,
they claim they've been led down the garden path by being allowed to
proceed in the first place. Next they complain about the "crushing
burden" it would impose on them and their investors to mitigate
damages as per the original contract. Standard tactis for running
roughshod ofer the rights of others.

On 09 Jun 2004 20:05:36 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


Now, I do not expect the FCC to investigate every CB'er messing up TV
reception, but I would expect them to eagerly investigate complaints from
any public safety related organization. If they don't, shame on them.


In the current political climate that public safety
organizations should be able to invoke homeland security concerns to
bolster their side of the debate -- inability to coordinate
evacuations, etc.

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
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On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:58:29p, "-=jd=-" wrote
in message :

On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:46:24p, "Frank Dresser"
wrote in message
:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...

Oh - I thought the poster intimated the "less than mainstream" SW
preachers, ala "Profit Stair", etc.



-=jd=-

I suppose he was, but I'm thinking of the all the religious
broadcasters who've set up shop on the SW bands in the last 20 years or
so. They have demonstrated a measure of political clout in that the
old rules against domestic SW broadcasting are now freely ignored.
These guys have a significant investment to protect, particularly those
guys who buy another 100 kW transmitter every 18 months or so.

Frank Dresser



Wholly-Cow! They must be realizing a fair bit of success when they "pass
the plate".


-=jd=-


Now I'm trying to google up the price of a 100kw xmitter without much
success..


-=jd=-
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73 and good DXing.
Brian
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A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Zumbrota, Southern MN
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
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Wholly-Cow! They must be realizing a fair bit of success when they "pass
the plate".


-=jd=-

Some of the broadcasters are pretty ambitious. WYFR bought several about 20
years ago. Then it was WWCR. WWRB already has five transmitters.

I haven't heard as much of WWRB since Alex Jones moved to WWCR, but I
imagine Dave Frantz might have had something to say about BPL. This time
last year, he was talking about HAARP causing all those tornadoes and the
evils of Satan's World Wide Web.

Frank Dresser

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
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On Fri 11 Jun 2004 05:40:28p, "Brian Hill" wrote in
message :


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
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On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:58:29p, "-=jd=-"
wrote in message :

On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:46:24p, "Frank Dresser"
wrote in message
:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...

Oh - I thought the poster intimated the "less than mainstream" SW
preachers, ala "Profit Stair", etc.



-=jd=-

I suppose he was, but I'm thinking of the all the religious
broadcasters who've set up shop on the SW bands in the last 20 years
or so. They have demonstrated a measure of political clout in that
the old rules against domestic SW broadcasting are now freely
ignored. These guys have a significant investment to protect,
particularly those guys who buy another 100 kW transmitter every 18
months or so.

Frank Dresser



Wholly-Cow! They must be realizing a fair bit of success when they
"pass the plate".


-=jd=-


Now I'm trying to google up the price of a 100kw xmitter without much
success..


-=jd=-
--
My Current Disposable Email:

(Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly)

Well over a million jd and probably more like 2-5mil


Even with amortization, that's a fair chunk of cake to have to realize
every payment period when your revenue stream is somewhat reliant upon
shortwave evangelists. They must have more listeners than you would think
at first blush - Check that - "contributing" listeners...


-=jd=-

People give great amounts of their income to fund the churches they beleive
in. SW avangelists can have a large audience too I would think just like
the ones on TV. They may even cover more ground. It would be interesting to
know just what that is.
--
73 and good DXing.
Brian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Zumbrota, Southern MN
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/

Pass the plate to modulate the plate?

Regards

John Barnard

-=jd=- wrote:

On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:46:24p, "Frank Dresser"
wrote in message
:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...

Oh - I thought the poster intimated the "less than mainstream" SW
preachers, ala "Profit Stair", etc.



-=jd=-

I suppose he was, but I'm thinking of the all the religious broadcasters
who've set up shop on the SW bands in the last 20 years or so. They
have demonstrated a measure of political clout in that the old rules
against domestic SW broadcasting are now freely ignored. These guys
have a significant investment to protect, particularly those guys who
buy another 100 kW transmitter every 18 months or so.

Frank Dresser



Wholly-Cow! They must be realizing a fair bit of success when they "pass
the plate".

-=jd=-
--
My Current Disposable Email:

(Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly)

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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Plus if BPL does "threaten" to enter a market, the DSL and cable guys will
drop their prices to keep from losing market share. So I bet they are
monitoring this situation closely. The latter already know it is price
that
keeps some people from switching from dial-up. Just look at some of the
recent ads on TV for their promotions. Cable had been advertising a
$29.99
introductory offer and now they are offering a $19.99 introductory offer.
DSL and cable know that they have to get close to dial up prices to get
the
customers.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I was wondering how many people have broadband access, so I googled this up:

"A new, national report by comScore Networks indicates broadband Internet
access is ready to overtake dial-up access as the top online subscription
service in major metro markets in the United States. "

""In the past several months, we've seen the U.S. online population reach
150 million people, and household broadband penetration cross the 33 percent
threshold," said Russ Fradin, executive vice president of comScore Networks.
"Now we've recorded another milestone, with broadband accounting for more
than half of U.S. major market Internet connections.""

If the story is correct, half of the internet users have broadband access
where it's widely available, and a third of the country has it. Roughly 50
million people in the US have broadband access.

http://www.ectnews.com/story/33108.html

The story doesn't mention dropping price as much of a driving force in the
expansion of broadband, but I don't see how it can't be considered as the
main reason. SBC here runs promotional offers with the first few months of
DSL broadband for little more than the cost of dial up. Of course, the
price goes up after the promotional period ends.

Anyway, there seems to be a wide interest in broadband, as long as it's
offered at an attractive price.

Frank Dresser