"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...


Even with amortization, that's a fair chunk of cake to have to realize
every payment period when your revenue stream is somewhat reliant upon
shortwave evangelists. They must have more listeners than you would think
at first blush - Check that - "contributing" listeners...


-=jd=-


I don't know if all the activity on the US domestic SW scene means there are
actually many people contributing or even listening. Some of the religious
broadcasters who set up their own transmitters do it as a part of their
ministry and cover the costs themselves. Harold Camping made a fortune
before he set up WYFR and the Christian Scientists have had a long term
commitment to journalism and broadcasting, so their SW operation was a good
fit.

If I recall, The Assemblies of Yahweh pays for WMLK, and they recently
bought an 250kW ex-BBC transmitter.

Alot of the people who get on the radio just want to get on the radio. At a
ballpark price of about a dollar a minute, it's affordable to them.

I think the big time shows, such as Brother Stair and James Lloyd are
largely funded by big contributors. I seem to recall that Brother Stair
once got a contribution of over a million dollars.

Alex Jones has said that his SW show is funded by the sale of water filters
and such.


I think the percentage of radios sold that have SW is probably the best
indication of the number of SWL's.

Frank Dresser

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message

I think the percentage of radios sold that have SW is probably the best
indication of the number of SWL's.

Frank Dresser



I don't know? I don't diagree but I've never bought a brand new SW radio.

--
73 and good DXing.
Brian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Zumbrota, Southern MN
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/

Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of
the original message that prompted my post.

That was the one from "yea right" who wrote in his message
news
"If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your
voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended
the comment period for BPL.

It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter

03-104

in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to
comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi "


Anyone who has not given the FCC their input, should (you too, Frank).

AK

wrote in message
...
On 09 Jun 2004 20:05:36 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


Now, I do not expect the FCC to investigate every CB'er messing up TV
reception, but I would expect them to eagerly investigate complaints from
any public safety related organization. If they don't, shame on them.


In the current political climate that public safety
organizations should be able to invoke homeland security concerns to
bolster their side of the debate -- inability to coordinate
evacuations, etc.

Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of
the original message that prompted my post. That was the one from "yea
right" who wrote in his message
news
"If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your
voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended
the comment period for BPL.

It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter

03-104

in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to
comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi "


Anyone who has not given the FCC their input, should (you too, Frank).

AK

"John Barnard" wrote in message
...
Pass the plate to modulate the plate?

Regards

John Barnard

-=jd=- wrote:

On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:46:24p, "Frank Dresser"
wrote in message
:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...

Oh - I thought the poster intimated the "less than mainstream" SW
preachers, ala "Profit Stair", etc.



-=jd=-

I suppose he was, but I'm thinking of the all the religious
broadcasters
who've set up shop on the SW bands in the last 20 years or so. They
have demonstrated a measure of political clout in that the old rules
against domestic SW broadcasting are now freely ignored. These guys
have a significant investment to protect, particularly those guys who
buy another 100 kW transmitter every 18 months or so.

Frank Dresser



Wholly-Cow! They must be realizing a fair bit of success when they "pass
the plate".

-=jd=-
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(Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly)

Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of
the original message that prompted my post. That was the one from "yea
right" who wrote in his message
news
"If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your
voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended
the comment period for BPL.

It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter

03-104

in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to
comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi "


Anyone who has not given the FCC their input, should (you too, Frank).

AK

"JJ" wrote in message
...
Clair J. Robinson wrote:

Bob Miller wrote:

I'm sure some of our right-wing preachers that have taken to the
shortwaves could mount good letter-writing campaigns, should their
broadcasts be drowned out by BPL :-)

Bob
k5qwg



Don't forget that those right-wing preachers and all other US short-wave
broadcasters are licensed to broadcast to foreign locations only. I
guess those 800 numbers are for use in the Caribbean and Canada. Sure,
that has to be the case.

73, CJ K0CJ

You mean if I pick up their broadcast here in the US then that makes
them illegal?

Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of
the original message that prompted my post. That was the one from "yea
right" who wrote in his message
news
"If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your
voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended
the comment period for BPL.

It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter

03-104

in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to
comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi "


Anyone who has not given the FCC their input, should (you too, Frank).

AK

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...



Plus if BPL does "threaten" to enter a market, the DSL and cable guys
will
drop their prices to keep from losing market share. So I bet they are
monitoring this situation closely. The latter already know it is price
that
keeps some people from switching from dial-up. Just look at some of the
recent ads on TV for their promotions. Cable had been advertising a
$29.99
introductory offer and now they are offering a $19.99 introductory
offer.
DSL and cable know that they have to get close to dial up prices to get
the
customers.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I was wondering how many people have broadband access, so I googled this
up:

"A new, national report by comScore Networks indicates broadband Internet
access is ready to overtake dial-up access as the top online subscription
service in major metro markets in the United States. "

""In the past several months, we've seen the U.S. online population reach
150 million people, and household broadband penetration cross the 33
percent
threshold," said Russ Fradin, executive vice president of comScore
Networks.
"Now we've recorded another milestone, with broadband accounting for more
than half of U.S. major market Internet connections.""

If the story is correct, half of the internet users have broadband access
where it's widely available, and a third of the country has it. Roughly
50
million people in the US have broadband access.

http://www.ectnews.com/story/33108.html

The story doesn't mention dropping price as much of a driving force in the
expansion of broadband, but I don't see how it can't be considered as the
main reason. SBC here runs promotional offers with the first few months
of
DSL broadband for little more than the cost of dial up. Of course, the
price goes up after the promotional period ends.

Anyway, there seems to be a wide interest in broadband, as long as it's
offered at an attractive price.

Frank Dresser

"Brian Hill" wrote in message
...


I don't know? I don't diagree but I've never bought a brand new SW radio.

--
73 and good DXing.
Brian

But most listeners listen in on recently manufactured radios. Radio sales
aren't a perfect indication of the number of SWLs, of course. The boom in
sales of microprocessor controlled digital radios in the 90s, was probably a
mixed indication of new listeners and established listeners upgrading. SW
radio sales are way down now, but that might be another mixed indication of
reduce interest and listeners who are satisfied with their current radio(s).

But overall, I do think radio sales are a better indication of the number of
listeners than the number of new transmitters or the money the shortwave
broadcasters have. The shortwave broadcaster money might be a better
indicator of the number of paranoid or senile monied people we have here in
the US.

Ideally, a good pollster could come up with a better number. That is, if
the SWLs can be convinced that the poll isn't part of the New World Order.

Frank Dresser

"AK" wrote in message
news:iDFyc.24732$0y.9613@attbi_s03...
Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight
of
the original message that prompted my post. That was the one from "yea
right" who wrote in his message
news
[snip]

Yep, they got it, and I got the confirmation.

Frank Dresser

In article ,
"Frank Dresser" wrote:

"AK" wrote in message
news:QdQxc.26209$Sw.14324@attbi_s51...

[snip]


I doubt the "benefits millions" bit, but will the FCC restrict amateur
radio
if it interferes with big-business political contributors' operations ? Of
course it will.

ak



OK -- I'll go through it.

If BPL works as promised, it will benefit millions. The BPL folk promise
high speed internet access at under $30.00 a month.

Snip

Most of the country has a $26.95 promotion for DSL from SBC and Extreme
DSL et cetera.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

AK wrote:

Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of
the original message that prompted my post.

I filed a complaint. We'll have to wait and see what happens after the
election.


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