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Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda
by Thom Hartmann
You mean Thom Hartmanns opinion don't you?

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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 02:44 pm, Telamon
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David wrote:

Published on Friday, June 18, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda
by Thom Hartmann

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What a bunch of communist claptrap. Things are much better
in Vietnam since the communists took over, just ask Kerry.


Wrong current enemy. The 5 minutes hate is supposed to
directed at Islamic terrorists, France (or maybe they are
okay again), snivelling liberal wieners.

They are the enemy within.

And have you been to Viet Nam recently? It is not fully
recovered from the
war, but it and its people are doing well. Beautiful
country.

I have never been to Vietnam. Maybe some are doing well
economically since we started trading with them but they do
not enjoy the freedoms we have.

I know people that still have relatives in Vietnam and they
are not doing well. Many here in the US send money back to
their families that only want to leave that country. It's a
real shame we failed them and Kerry is one of the reasons we
failed.

That ******* Kerry also managed to block a bill that tied
trade with Vietnam to a reduction in human right abuses. That
SOB continues to be on the wrong side of an issue.

Makes perfect sense that trade with the Saudis has never been
tied to human rights abuses. Too bad another 2.5 million of
those danged Vietnamese
couldn't have been killed. Clean the place up properly. Then
they wouldn't be whining about Starbucks, Folger's, Nabob and
the like for persuading them to grow coffee instead of food and
then driving the price down below production costs. And anyone
could see that it's better to grow the rice in
Texas and ship it back to them at profit. Get the farmers to
move to the cities, working in factories at 70 cents per day
making shoes for export. Their daughters can entertain the
tourists.

What only kind of deal do you the communist bosses make are one
that benefits the party not the people. Thanks for making my
point.

Same deal made with coffee farmers all over the world. The US
doesn't really care about anything except the corporate bottom line
and the balance of trade.

We are not supposed to care. It's called free trade. If the foreign
governments don't have the best interests of their people in mind
what are we supposed to do about it other than pass a bill to
protect those people by limiting trade unless human rights
conditions improve in those countries. You know a bill like the one
Kerry spiked.

Otherwise armed intervention is the only other option.

Good thing that in 1945-46 the US rejected the proposed
Vietnamese constitution (taken almost word for work from the
American constitution), recalled their advisors, and told the
French to come back in. They could see that the Vietnamese were
going to become commies anyway and were too
stupid to run their own country. And look how those ungrateful
French
turned out. Jeez, those winos are nearly commies today.

I wouldn't know about that.

You should! It's the basis for the 20th century history of the
region.

The US position was that they could not
support themselves against communist aggression. Looks like we
were right.

No that's not right: the US supported the French against the
fledgeling democratic movement, having previously promised the
Vietnamese self gov't for help against the Japanese and then
reneged. (The British reneged
similarly in India.) Drove them into the arms of the
communists,who also lied to them. I suppose the Vietnamese could
have simply gone along with having their country given back to the
French. The excuse about not being about to resist communist
agression was concocted later, post hoc. In 1945, The Chinese were
not communist yet, that occurred in 1949, Russia was in no
condition to do anything and had no agents or advisors in the
country. It was up to the US, which could have rejected the French
recolonization of
Vietnam and supported the democracy. But they wanted to restore
their
trade with them in Europe. Trade = money, and that's more
important than
any ideology or rights. And it continued merrily along. How about
Chile and Guatemala?

You have the wrong take on this. The idea was to build up a modern
country and economy in the backward parts of the world. They were
supposed to become self sufficient thru trade.

It is not this countries policy to support colonization anymore.

Yes it is. Economic colonization. Hence corporations forcing their
way in
everywhere. Different methods, same outcome. Lots of money and
materiel for the homeland. Self sufficiency through trade means export
the
countries' economic value to the controlling country. This has not
worked since the post-WW2 Marshall plan. Unfortunately. The gap
between "donor" and "receiving" countries continues to grow. And the
best sort of gov't in the recipient country is dictatorship
apparently, be it military,
monarchist. But it increases the rich-poor gap in the country and
eventually leads to instability and disaster. Makes the decision
making easy though. I'm telling you what peoples in a series of
countries feel. Until their understanding and life conditions are
understood, the dangerous
international situation will continue. Or we can plan some more wars.

This is what the leaders of the free world have worked out. I sure hope
you have not bought into the socialist communist dogma of the workers
paradise and if not that then what is your solution?

One that it is not is laissez faire capitalism. Another thing it is not
is
communism. Both of these two systems have been exercized with great harm
on persons within countries. In the 20th century, we saw communism
exercized with great harm from one country to another. And in 20th
century into the start of the 21st century, we have seen the harm of
unbridled
national self interest, business and profit do the same. Somewhere in
the middle there is the social contract of Thomas Hobbes and the
classical liberalism of Thomas Jefferson. Classical liberalism is not
what is
perjoratively termed liberal by many today in the USA. It is what is
termed in by most of the world, conservative. Where government, and
international agreeements and regulations ensures that excessive self
interest, profit and greed does not harm others. National governments
and international bodies do not run enconomies, only regulate while
balancing
the needs of all. On the international stage, this would be represented
by multilateralism versus unilateralism. Unilateralism can only be
maintained by force.

I'm well aware of the perversion of terms that has occurred over time.

So how you going to make that work, have the UN regulate all trade? How
do you get nations to negotiate trade agreements that are not in their
best interests?

We have to try to work this out together and stop working against it. The UN
is more like a happy dream that practical reality. Just ask a soldier or
two who were ordered by the UN to stand by as children were massacred in
Rwanda. But not everything we do internationally as a global community is
a failure. The WTO is on the right track when it tells countries to
eliminate protectionist tariffs and penalty duties. NAFTA is on the right
track, so is levelling of trade barriers in Europe, but they are only
starts. Everyone must play by the same rules and principles like
environmental sustainability, basic human rights have to be enforced b/c
profit oriented business won't pay attention to these things. We have to
stop the bullying. Can we make a reality? I think we have to. 12 billion
of us predicted this century? Most of the growth in the third world? It's
only going to get worse if we don't. I think of the people outside the
Roman empire who adopted Roman farming methods and had a population
explosion. They wanted what the Romans had and then swamped the empire
into the dark ages. We have to avoid repeating any sort of parallel. I
think it'll come more from within the society via more terror than without
from conventional war. But perhaps a terrible mixture.

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 12:32 pm, clifto posted to
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uncle arnie wrote:
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Guatemala I have not heard. Chile "Voz Cristiana" normally puts in a
good signal here.

They broadcast MW signals that can be heard in rural Mexico quite well,
but
not consistently. I've heard them from Guadalajara area and south.

Somehow I never manage to hear any MW from outside the country except
for Canada (and one reception of one of the megawatt-plus Mexican
stations some time ago). Must be a big shield around northern Illinois
or something. I get really jealous when I read about people picking up
Europe and South America.

I've picked up Mexico on MW from Canada. Gotta be patient and keep the dial
twirling. Lots of bad signals will fade into audible ones.

Brian Hill wrote:
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Brian Hill wrote:


Is she foxy? I *NEED* a good talking to.

She carrys a gun. Remember we're right wingers.

I understand gun ownership knows no political boundaries. The American
section of the lunatic zionist fringe is so well armed the ATF is
investigating them. One of them got hauled up a while back for plotting
to blow up American Mosques.

But, back to more pleasant talk...

What colour is the holster? Better still...is it stuck into the top of
one of the fishnet stockings? Is it a petite Beretta or a Buntline Colt?
Very unfeminine if it is a Buntline. Freud the Fraud woulda had a field
day with her.



mike



Excuse me! Fart!!!!



One thing for sure. She had no skill raising children. Now..get back to
your Lynnard Skynnard.........


mike


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