Kameron Spesial wrote:

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:54:29 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a
database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then
state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your
log is worthless.

Why is that worthless?

Why, because he has no real idea whether it is that station or not. It's
called 'list-logging'., a bad hobby practice.

dxAce

In article ,
"lsmyer" wrote:

I strongly agree with Mr. Bryant on this. DXing is a very individual
activity. Some people meticulously spend hours on a particular frequency. I
had a friend who was that way. He was incredibly thorough but he never ended
up with many stations.

That doesn't work for me. My attention span is too short to start with. If I
can ID a station in two minutes, then that leaves me a lot more time
available in that window to pull in even more stations.

Plus, there's nothing wrong with using another person's database to make an
ID easier. It's no different than using a digital display on a radio to find
out where you are on the dial. Some purists would rather dx by ear only, and
that's fine too.

Most importantly, though, DXing should be fun.

Well I strongly disagree. If you are going to post that you heard a
certain station on a frequency at some time then you would have to
listen long enough to identify that station. The time to do this could
be just a minute if you happen to tune in at just the right time to
catch an ID but that is not going to happen on a list like the one
presented.

Like I stated, best case, he is ASSUMING the ID of the station based on
SOMEONE ELSE'S HARD WORK that spent the time listening to their radio.

A log list that someone has taken the time to verify (ID) is worth
reading and that's not Bryant's list.

He probably just made the up the list anyway so you want to argue over
nothing?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

From: Kameron Spesial

Telamon
wrote:

Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a
database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then
state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your
log is worthless.

Why is that worthless?

I've been in the hobby coming up on 40 years. In my years in high school and
college I studied a slew of languages. The first thing I do is try to identify
the language or language group. Then I use several databases, including HFCC,
ILG, EiBi to make an educated guess. Then I listen up to three or minutes
usually, until I can pick up on what's being talked about. Not really that
difficult. I never claimed any of this stuff to be DX info. I'm just listing
what I'm hearing. Anyone with a radio with an external antenna ought to be able
to confirm any list I provide.

But ignore Telamon. He's a COMPLETE off-the-wall loon. Is he STILL making
constant delusions about me not even having a radio?

That's why he was one of the first to go into the killfile. This NG is much
more enjoyable without seeing their posts. It would be better still, if you
didn't re-post their attempts to try to lure me into fighting with them.

Radio can be fun.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll,
Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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Michael Bryant wrote:

From: Kameron Spesial

Telamon
wrote:

Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a
database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then
state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your
log is worthless.

Why is that worthless?

I've been in the hobby coming up on 40 years.

Yeah, and you still don't know the difference between Malaysia and Indonesia.

In my years in high school and
college I studied a slew of languages.

Sure you did.



The first thing I do is try to identify
the language or language group.

No you don't, you look at the list.

Then I use several databases, including HFCC,
ILG, EiBi to make an educated guess. Then I listen up to three or minutes
usually, until I can pick up on what's being talked about.

But your logs don't indicate that you are listening that long.

Not really that
difficult.

List-logging never is.

I never claimed any of this stuff to be DX info.

Nobody said it was.

I'm just listing
what I'm hearing.

No, you're listing what is on the list.

Anyone with a radio with an external antenna ought to be able
to confirm any list I provide.

You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll really screw
up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely you'd be
aware of that.

dxAce



But ignore Telamon. He's a COMPLETE off-the-wall loon. Is he STILL making
constant delusions about me not even having a radio?

That's why he was one of the first to go into the killfile. This NG is much
more enjoyable without seeing their posts. It would be better still, if you
didn't re-post their attempts to try to lure me into fighting with them.

Radio can be fun.

Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll,
Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nospam" to reply)

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

snip

You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll
really screw
up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely
you'd be
aware of that.

Just what exactly is a list logger?

I use to log lots of DX stations like Michael Bryant when I was out in the
rural countryside with lots of property and good antennas. So I have no
question that Bryant is logging all those stations. Wonder what he uses for
antennas??
"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
Sept 5
DE1103

11530 1956 USA-AL, WEWN-Vandiver Spanish Good
11775 1958 ANGUILLA, WUN English Excellent
11815 2000 COSTA RICA, REE Spanish Good
11840 2001 MOROCCO, VOA-Briech Ukrainian Good
11850 2003 TURKEY, VoT-Emirler French Fair
11855 2005 ASCENSION, VOA English Fair,NoWYFR
11955 2006 GABON, RFI-Moyabi French Excellent
11975 2008 SAO TOME, VOA-Pinheira English Good
11995 2010 FRANCE, RFI-Issoudun French Fair
12050 2011 EGYPT, RC-Abis Arabic Good, distort
13620 1953 INDIA, AIR-Bangalore French Fair, //13605
13630 1952 USA-NC, R Marti-Greenville Spanish Heavy
Jamming,//11930
13700 1950 CANADA, RCI-Sackville French Excellent
13740 1948 CUBA, RNV-Habana Spanish Excellent
13760 1946 USA-IN, WHRI-Noblesville English Good

13770 1945 PORTUGAL, RDPI-Lisbon Portuguese Fair-Good
13780 1943 GERMANY, DW-Nauen German Weak
13795 1942 SWITZERLAND,SRI-Sottens English Fair
17800 2013 NIGERIA, VoN-Ikorodu English Good

I hope Telamon is still out there.... ;-)


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll,
Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nospam" to reply)

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote:

From: Kameron Spesial

Telamon wrote:

Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up
a database other people have taken the time to verify and generate
then state you heard that station without identifying them yourself
so your log is worthless.

Why is that worthless?

I've been in the hobby coming up on 40 years. In my years in high
school and college I studied a slew of languages. The first thing I
do is try to identify the language or language group. Then I use
several databases, including HFCC, ILG, EiBi to make an educated
guess. Then I listen up to three or minutes usually, until I can pick
up on what's being talked about. Not really that difficult. I never
claimed any of this stuff to be DX info. I'm just listing what I'm
hearing. Anyone with a radio with an external antenna ought to be
able to confirm any list I provide.

You have been lying in this news group for years.

"I'm just listing what I'm hearing. Anyone with a radio with an external
antenna ought to be able to confirm any list I provide."

Yeah that's all you are doing. I can't identify english broadcasts as
fast as you claim to be able to identify broadcasts in a foreign
language.

If you use an up to date list you are only right because of someone
else's hard work you scum of the earth.

But ignore Telamon. He's a COMPLETE off-the-wall loon. Is he STILL
making constant delusions about me not even having a radio?

With the huge amount to credibility you have this means a lot.

That's why he was one of the first to go into the killfile. This NG
is much more enjoyable without seeing their posts. It would be better
still, if you didn't re-post their attempts to try to lure me into
fighting with them.

Radio can be fun.

Yeah you should try it. Chance are you just make up the stuff. With all
the lying you have done here I'll need proof you actually own a SW
radio. There is nothing you have posted that leads me to believe you
actually own a SW radio. Prove it and I'll shut up about it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 19:23:14 -0400, dxAce wrote:



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: Kameron Spesial

Telamon
wrote:

Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a
database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then
state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your
log is worthless.

Why is that worthless?

I've been in the hobby coming up on 40 years.

Yeah, and you still don't know the difference between Malaysia and Indonesia.

In my years in high school and
college I studied a slew of languages.

Sure you did.



The first thing I do is try to identify
the language or language group.

No you don't, you look at the list.

Then I use several databases, including HFCC,
ILG, EiBi to make an educated guess. Then I listen up to three or minutes
usually, until I can pick up on what's being talked about.

But your logs don't indicate that you are listening that long.

Not really that
difficult.

List-logging never is.

I never claimed any of this stuff to be DX info.

Nobody said it was.

I'm just listing
what I'm hearing.

No, you're listing what is on the list.

Anyone with a radio with an external antenna ought to be able
to confirm any list I provide.

You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll really screw
up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely you'd be
aware of that.

dxAce



But ignore Telamon. He's a COMPLETE off-the-wall loon. Is he STILL making
constant delusions about me not even having a radio?

That's why he was one of the first to go into the killfile. This NG is much
more enjoyable without seeing their posts. It would be better still, if you
didn't re-post their attempts to try to lure me into fighting with them.

Radio can be fun.

Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll,
Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nospam" to reply)

I'd have to agree with this Mike guy in this case - seams reasonable
enough. And dxAce - you seem a little hostile - even irrational.
I've noticed that in a few of your political posts. Are you teasing
MB? Anyway, this group has been a real help to me - thanks.

In article NzN_c.813$2H5.226@trndny07,
"David" wrote:

I use to log lots of DX stations like Michael Bryant when I was out in the
rural countryside with lots of property and good antennas. So I have no
question that Bryant is logging all those stations. Wonder what he uses for
antennas??

It's not humanly possible to identify that many stations that fast even
if they are all in english or a persons first language. All he is doing
is hearing a station on a frequency and looking it up on a current
frequency list someone else took the time to verify.

That is if he actually listens at all.

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
Sept 5
DE1103

11530 1956 USA-AL, WEWN-Vandiver Spanish Good
11775 1958 ANGUILLA, WUN English Excellent
11815 2000 COSTA RICA, REE Spanish Good
11840 2001 MOROCCO, VOA-Briech Ukrainian Good
11850 2003 TURKEY, VoT-Emirler French Fair
11855 2005 ASCENSION, VOA English Fair,NoWYFR
11955 2006 GABON, RFI-Moyabi French Excellent
11975 2008 SAO TOME, VOA-Pinheira English Good
11995 2010 FRANCE, RFI-Issoudun French Fair
12050 2011 EGYPT, RC-Abis Arabic Good, distort
13620 1953 INDIA, AIR-Bangalore French Fair, //13605
13630 1952 USA-NC, R Marti-Greenville Spanish Heavy
Jamming,//11930
13700 1950 CANADA, RCI-Sackville French Excellent
13740 1948 CUBA, RNV-Habana Spanish Excellent
13760 1946 USA-IN, WHRI-Noblesville English Good

13770 1945 PORTUGAL, RDPI-Lisbon Portuguese Fair-Good
13780 1943 GERMANY, DW-Nauen German Weak
13795 1942 SWITZERLAND,SRI-Sottens English Fair
17800 2013 NIGERIA, VoN-Ikorodu English Good

I hope Telamon is still out there.... ;-)


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll,
Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nospam" to reply)

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
Kameron Spesial wrote:

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 19:23:14 -0400, dxAce wrote:



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: Kameron Spesial

Telamon
wrote:

Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a
database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then
state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your
log is worthless.

Why is that worthless?

I've been in the hobby coming up on 40 years.

Yeah, and you still don't know the difference between Malaysia and
Indonesia.

In my years in high school and
college I studied a slew of languages.

Sure you did.



The first thing I do is try to identify
the language or language group.

No you don't, you look at the list.

Then I use several databases, including HFCC,
ILG, EiBi to make an educated guess. Then I listen up to three or minutes
usually, until I can pick up on what's being talked about.

But your logs don't indicate that you are listening that long.

Not really that
difficult.

List-logging never is.

I never claimed any of this stuff to be DX info.

Nobody said it was.

I'm just listing
what I'm hearing.

No, you're listing what is on the list.

Anyone with a radio with an external antenna ought to be able
to confirm any list I provide.

You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll really
screw
up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely
you'd be
aware of that.

dxAce



But ignore Telamon. He's a COMPLETE off-the-wall loon. Is he STILL making
constant delusions about me not even having a radio?

That's why he was one of the first to go into the killfile. This NG is
much
more enjoyable without seeing their posts. It would be better still, if
you
didn't re-post their attempts to try to lure me into fighting with them.

Radio can be fun.

Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll,
Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nospam" to reply)

I'd have to agree with this Mike guy in this case - seams reasonable
enough.

Then you would be wrong. This is the argument, "seems" is not good
enough. If Bryant wants to list his assumption on what he heard then he
could post "presumed" in front of each station he did not verify. That
is if he really listens at all.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California