Honus wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Honus wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll
really screw
up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years,
surely
you'd be
aware of that.

Just what exactly is a list logger?

A list logger, in hobby parlance, is one who takes a published
frequency/station list, tunes his radio to said frequency at said time,
and
then says 'I heard station 'xyz' at 2100 on frequency xxx', however, the
individual may have never heard an ID or anything that would actually
indicate
that is indeed station 'xyz'.Their 'logging' is only as reliable (or
unreliable) as the list. Now, the list may or may not be correct, and the
station heard may not actually be the station on the list.

Ah. I thought as much. Is there any way of getting a sure station ID other
than on air identification, or perhaps simultaneous webcasts? (Or the
speaker identifying himself as Brother Stair.) It seems to me that anything
else would fall under the "presumptive" category.

I'm trying to be pretty picky about what I log. I'm doing this with my 9
year old daughter...we stick pins in a map on the wall marking the location
of the transmitters that we're receiving from. It's not as fun if we only
"think" that such and such a program came from such and such a place. I just
don't get why people would even bother list logging; it defeats the whole
purpose, in my view.

I'm a list lager, myself. If I drink too much beer, I tend to tilt to one
side.

One very to way to determine if it is the station in question is to check
parallel frequencies.

Let's say 'xyz' is using 11850 and 15275 at 2100. If the same broadcast is on
both frequencies at that time, it's a pretty good bet that it is indeed 'xyz'
that you are hearing. That still doesn't preclude hearing an ID, but this is a
reliable method.

dxAce

In article ujT_c.2793$x12.561@trnddc05, "Honus"
writes:


Ah. I thought as much. Is there any way of getting a sure station ID other
than on air identification, or perhaps simultaneous webcasts? (Or the
speaker identifying himself as Brother Stair.) It seems to me that anything
else would fall under the "presumptive" category.

I'm trying to be pretty picky about what I log. I'm doing this with my 9
year old daughter...we stick pins in a map on the wall marking the location
of the transmitters that we're receiving from.

This sounds nice; she'll remember this as good times with Dad. . . .
& you might consider Switching
to Diet Coke or coffee whilst DX'ing with yer daughter . . .

Agreed totally. My method (and people can criticize it but it is the way I
enjoy creating my own logs) is to scan through the entire sw spectrum within
an hour. I don't try to identify every signal I can hear...I try to stick
with English language transmissions, or at least, interesting music. I then
use references such as Prime Time Shortwave, Passport and Monitoring times
to identify the stations. Generally it is fairly obvious if you can figure
out what the station is...if not I leave it as unidentified for now and move
on. Sometimes the ID's are stumbled upon by identifying parallel frequencies
with the same program.

Is this stealing someone else's work? I don't think so. It is using whatever
data I can to identify what I'm hearing, and I think this is totally correct
and appropriate for me. Otherwise, what else do you use all the available
data for? With this method I can do a band scan for each hour of the day and
compile my own logs, which I update twice each Summer and twice each Winter.
If someone states that you are stealing someone else's work unless you
listen to each signal until you hear an ID they are applying their personal
preferences in how to create logs onto everyone else and frankly I don't see
how anyone has the right to do that.

I realize I may get flamed for writing this and that's one of the reasons I
seldom post to this group these days but felt it was necessary to speak my
piece.

Jay



"lsmyer" wrote in message
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I strongly agree with Mr. Bryant on this. DXing is a very individual
activity. Some people meticulously spend hours on a particular frequency.
I
had a friend who was that way. He was incredibly thorough but he never
ended
up with many stations.

That doesn't work for me. My attention span is too short to start with. If
I
can ID a station in two minutes, then that leaves me a lot more time
available in that window to pull in even more stations.

Plus, there's nothing wrong with using another person's database to make
an
ID easier. It's no different than using a digital display on a radio to
find
out where you are on the dial. Some purists would rather dx by ear only,
and
that's fine too.

Most importantly, though, DXing should be fun.

In article , "Jay"
writes:



Is this stealing someone else's work? I don't think so. It is using whatever
data I can to identify what I'm hearing, and I think this is totally correct
and appropriate for me. Otherwise, what else do you use all the available
data for?

Agree, why NOT use whatever data is available;
- No real sense in reinventing the wheel...

If your star gazing, you use a guide to the planets and stars ,
coordinated for your time, season and latitude.

If you're bird watching, you use a guide; "that looks like a"..
Not a shotgun, bird dog and dissecting tools
:-)


With this method I can do a band scan for each hour of the day and
compile my own logs, which I update twice each Summer and twice each Winter.
If someone states that you are stealing someone else's work unless you
listen to each signal until you hear an ID they are applying their personal
preferences in how to create logs onto everyone else and frankly I don't see
how anyone has the right to do that.

Theres a lot of petty jealousy in the world...

I realize I may get flamed for writing this and that's one of the reasons I
seldom post to this group these days but felt it was necessary to speak my
piece.

Jay

Theres a lot of petty jealousy in the world...

Dan / NYC

Diverd4777 wrote:

Agree, why NOT use whatever data is available;
- No real sense in reinventing the wheel...

I was led to believe all those lists were published just so people COULD
use them in their short wave listening. Making life easier for your
fellow man...it costs so little..sniff...


mike (the selfless) II

m II wrote:

Diverd4777 wrote:

Agree, why NOT use whatever data is available;
- No real sense in reinventing the wheel...

I was led to believe all those lists were published just so people COULD
use them in their short wave listening. Making life easier for your
fellow man...it costs so little..sniff...

You've (and others) have totally missed my point... why am I not surprised?

dxAce

"Telamon" wrote in message
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I sure there are plenty of methods you can use to figure it out such as
noting when a suspect station is broadcasting on more than one
frequency. This is where having more than one radio really comes in
handy. Looking up the programming content on the Internet would be
another.

I hadn't thought of looking for broadcasts on more than one frequency, so
it's a good thing I asked! g When I look at my Passport, I just plain
forget that some stations do that. Looks like I need to pick up a copy of
the WRTH too. That should prove helpful.

Drinking coffee instead of beer would be another.

That would help eliminate the partial list but then I'd be in serious
trouble when I was -entirely- horizontal...and trying to sleep.

I kind of agrtee with DX Ac on this one. listening for only two inutes
dosn't always give you a correcr i.d even if you actually heard a i.d.

such as a statin being relayed. as a made-up example HCJB Quito,
Ecuador being relayed over WCRB Okechobee Florida or WMLD Maryland.

and to make matters even more confusion, one of my local tv stations
constajntly I.D.'ed in a way that made them look like they were actually
the other tv station in town!!!!

they did own both tv stations in town. WOIO 19 and WUAB 43. showing
different programming. 19 is CBS. 43 is UPN.

43 identified with "WOIO-TV 19 Shaker Heights-Cleveland" in big printed
letters taking up almost the whole screen followed by "WUAB-TV 43
Lorain-Cleveland" in really tiny print so tiny that you couldn't really
see it on a 20 inch tv unless you were right up at the screen, and even
then, you really needed a magnifying glass.

Is that way of giving "station identification" legal?

I kind of agrtee with DX Ac on this one. listening for only two inutes
dosn't always give you a correcr i.d even if you actually heard a i.d.

such as a statin being relayed. as a made-up example HCJB Quito,
Ecuador being relayed over WCRB Okechobee Florida or WMLD Maryland.

and to make matters even more confusion, one of my local tv stations
constajntly I.D.'ed in a way that made them look like they were actually
the other tv station in town!!!!

they did own both tv stations in town. WOIO 19 and WUAB 43. showing
different programming. 19 is CBS. 43 is UPN.

43 identified with "WOIO-TV 19 Shaker Heights-Cleveland" in big printed
letters taking up almost the whole screen followed by "WUAB-TV 43
Lorain-Cleveland" in really tiny print so tiny that you couldn't really
see it on a 20 inch tv unless you were right up at the screen, and even
then, you really needed a magnifying glass.

Is that way of giving "station identification" legal?

IF he's listing his "Assumptions" on what he heard, then he might not
have heard those stations.

sometimes there's more than one station on the same frequency where you
can only hear the one one day and only hear the other another day.

true example from my loggings (althogh this veers off of shortwave a
bit)

one day, on 162.400 MHZ, I hear only NOAA weather radio. I think from
Castilla, Ohio (spelling?). On another day on the same radio and same
frequency, 162.400 MHZ, I hear only "Enviroment Canada"'s weather radio.

Some days, I can hear both depending on which direction I turn te radio.

On a normal day, I can't hear anything on 162.400 MHZ

My local NOAA weather radio station is on 162.55 MHZ which I can hear
all of the time.