For those of you reading this in rec.radio.shortwave who are thinking the
question doesn't belong he Take it as a compliment, OK? Some of you might
be the type whose idea of great bathroom reading is a 17 pound book about
antenna theory.

I use SprintPCS with a 4 year old Motorola StarTac ST7867. Just moved to a
new house and I can barely get a signal unless I stand in the middle of the
yard. That's problematic in winter. After grilling a couple of customer
service reps on the phone, I stopped into the Sprint store today and came
away with some questions I need answered before I terminate my service and
try another provider

1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was actually
able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from my
home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?

2) His next suggestion was (of course) to try a newer phone because mine
uses "older technology" which might not be able to pick up such a great
signal. Likely or not?

3) Here's the tricky part: I'm not totally adverse to a newer phone, even
though I have absolutely NO need for color, email, songs, games, digital
pictures, or any other crap. I just need a friggin' phone. But, I've made an
observation over the past few years while listening to the sound quality
when people call me from THEIR phones. It seems that some manufacturers have
gone WAY off the deep end when designing their noise cancelling
arrangements. In many instances, background noise causes the phone to also
kill or scramble the voice of the user. This, of course, makes the phone
useless. I make quite a few calls from my boat in high winds, and people
tell me that as long as I'm manually dealing with the wind somehow (turning
away, etc), the phone sounds like a normal phone as opposed to some sort of
special effects in a B-movie.

Cell phone salesmen (and 98% of customers) seem to take crummy audio quality
for granted, or know nothing about it. So, before I consider upgrading
equipment, I'm hoping for the unlikely: Some specific input from anyone who
has been through this and can recommend brands/models which aren't toys. If
I ever have to call the Coast Guard on my cell phone, it would be really
novel if they could understand me.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
For those of you reading this in rec.radio.shortwave who are thinking the
question doesn't belong he Take it as a compliment, OK? Some of you
might
be the type whose idea of great bathroom reading is a 17 pound book about
antenna theory.

I use SprintPCS with a 4 year old Motorola StarTac ST7867. Just moved to a
new house and I can barely get a signal unless I stand in the middle of
the
yard. That's problematic in winter. After grilling a couple of customer
service reps on the phone, I stopped into the Sprint store today and came
away with some questions I need answered before I terminate my service and
try another provider

1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was actually
able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from
my
home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?

2) His next suggestion was (of course) to try a newer phone because mine
uses "older technology" which might not be able to pick up such a great
signal. Likely or not?

3) Here's the tricky part: I'm not totally adverse to a newer phone, even
though I have absolutely NO need for color, email, songs, games, digital
pictures, or any other crap. I just need a friggin' phone. But, I've made
an
observation over the past few years while listening to the sound quality
when people call me from THEIR phones. It seems that some manufacturers
have
gone WAY off the deep end when designing their noise cancelling
arrangements. In many instances, background noise causes the phone to also
kill or scramble the voice of the user. This, of course, makes the phone
useless. I make quite a few calls from my boat in high winds, and people
tell me that as long as I'm manually dealing with the wind somehow
(turning
away, etc), the phone sounds like a normal phone as opposed to some sort
of
special effects in a B-movie.

Cell phone salesmen (and 98% of customers) seem to take crummy audio
quality
for granted, or know nothing about it. So, before I consider upgrading
equipment, I'm hoping for the unlikely: Some specific input from anyone
who
has been through this and can recommend brands/models which aren't toys.
If
I ever have to call the Coast Guard on my cell phone, it would be really
novel if they could understand me.

The problem could very well be with your old phone. Do you have any family,
friends or co-horts @ work who use SPCS? If you do, invite them over and she
whether their new phones show improved coverage to make and receive calls
throughout the house.

In saying that, with you just moving, you could have moved into fringe
coverage as well.

Maybe you can post a reply, listing out when you live, within a couple of
near intersections. Someone in the SPCS newsgroup might be close to you and
provide some information.

Bob

"Bob Smith" wrote in message
.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
For those of you reading this in rec.radio.shortwave who are thinking
the
question doesn't belong he Take it as a compliment, OK? Some of you
might
be the type whose idea of great bathroom reading is a 17 pound book
about
antenna theory.

I use SprintPCS with a 4 year old Motorola StarTac ST7867. Just moved to
a
new house and I can barely get a signal unless I stand in the middle of
the
yard. That's problematic in winter. After grilling a couple of customer
service reps on the phone, I stopped into the Sprint store today and
came
away with some questions I need answered before I terminate my service
and
try another provider

1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was
actually
able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from
my
home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?

2) His next suggestion was (of course) to try a newer phone because mine
uses "older technology" which might not be able to pick up such a great
signal. Likely or not?

3) Here's the tricky part: I'm not totally adverse to a newer phone,
even
though I have absolutely NO need for color, email, songs, games, digital
pictures, or any other crap. I just need a friggin' phone. But, I've
made
an
observation over the past few years while listening to the sound quality
when people call me from THEIR phones. It seems that some manufacturers
have
gone WAY off the deep end when designing their noise cancelling
arrangements. In many instances, background noise causes the phone to
also
kill or scramble the voice of the user. This, of course, makes the phone
useless. I make quite a few calls from my boat in high winds, and people
tell me that as long as I'm manually dealing with the wind somehow
(turning
away, etc), the phone sounds like a normal phone as opposed to some sort
of
special effects in a B-movie.

Cell phone salesmen (and 98% of customers) seem to take crummy audio
quality
for granted, or know nothing about it. So, before I consider upgrading
equipment, I'm hoping for the unlikely: Some specific input from anyone
who
has been through this and can recommend brands/models which aren't toys.
If
I ever have to call the Coast Guard on my cell phone, it would be really
novel if they could understand me.

The problem could very well be with your old phone. Do you have any
family,
friends or co-horts @ work who use SPCS? If you do, invite them over and
she
whether their new phones show improved coverage to make and receive calls
throughout the house.

In saying that, with you just moving, you could have moved into fringe
coverage as well.

Maybe you can post a reply, listing out when you live, within a couple of
near intersections. Someone in the SPCS newsgroup might be close to you
and
provide some information.

Bob



3 blocks from the junction of route 590 and Empire Blvd in Rochester NY. As
far as "fringe", I mentioned that the nearest antenna is a mile away over
flat land.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was actually
able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from my
home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?

Probably true. I am an RF engineer (retired) and it makes sense to me
that the tower antenna would be designed to have maximum response
in the direction of the highway that they're trying to cover.
There are solutions to your home location reception problem (external
Yagi antenna hooked to an in-house repeater) but it's quite expensive.

--
John Richards

John Richards wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was actually
able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from my
home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?

Probably true. I am an RF engineer (retired) and it makes sense to me
that the tower antenna would be designed to have maximum response
in the direction of the highway that they're trying to cover.
There are solutions to your home location reception problem (external
Yagi antenna hooked to an in-house repeater) but it's quite expensive.

I've seen some setups that only use two yagi's, one in the home (or business), and the other outside,
connected only by cable. No repeater involved.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


John Richards wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was
actually
able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile
from my
home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind.
No
hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?

Probably true. I am an RF engineer (retired) and it makes sense to me
that the tower antenna would be designed to have maximum response
in the direction of the highway that they're trying to cover.
There are solutions to your home location reception problem (external
Yagi antenna hooked to an in-house repeater) but it's quite expensive.

I've seen some setups that only use two yagi's, one in the home (or
business), and the other outside,
connected only by cable. No repeater involved.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



And this does what? Somehow redirects the cellular signal into the home???

Doug Kanter wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


John Richards wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was
actually
able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile
from my
home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind.
No
hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?

Probably true. I am an RF engineer (retired) and it makes sense to me
that the tower antenna would be designed to have maximum response
in the direction of the highway that they're trying to cover.
There are solutions to your home location reception problem (external
Yagi antenna hooked to an in-house repeater) but it's quite expensive.

I've seen some setups that only use two yagi's, one in the home (or
business), and the other outside,
connected only by cable. No repeater involved.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



And this does what? Somehow redirects the cellular signal into the home???

What would be your best guess??? ;-)

I have no idea whether it works or not.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Doug Kanter wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


John Richards wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was
actually
able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a
mile
from my
home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any
kind.
No
hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this
explains
nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?

Probably true. I am an RF engineer (retired) and it makes sense to
me
that the tower antenna would be designed to have maximum response
in the direction of the highway that they're trying to cover.
There are solutions to your home location reception problem
(external
Yagi antenna hooked to an in-house repeater) but it's quite
expensive.

I've seen some setups that only use two yagi's, one in the home (or
business), and the other outside,
connected only by cable. No repeater involved.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



And this does what? Somehow redirects the cellular signal into the
home???

What would be your best guess??? ;-)

I have no idea whether it works or not.

Well, not being knowledgable about that kind of antenna, the best guess I
could make is that it's sort of like wearing aluminum foil inside your hat.
:-)

Connecting two antennas back-to-back makes a passive bi-directional
repeater. It's a cheap solution useful where the field strength from each
transmitter is high at the antenna which is pointing at it and there is an
obstruction between the transmitter and receiver. I used this technique
successfully on a 13 mile bi-directional analog video microwave link, with a
1/2 mile dogleg from the top of the hill down into a valley. The hilltop
site was unpowered and accessible only with ATV but was a lot cheaper than
putting up a 300 ft tower.

It should work with cellular telephony as you suggest. The trick is to
capture enough energy from each transmitter to overcome the transmission
line losses and lay down sufficient signal strength at both receivers. If
you can't make it with antenna gain, then you'll have to go with an active
repeater.

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "dxAce"
Newsgroups:
alt.cellular.sprintpcs,alt.cellular-phone-tech,rec.radio.shortwave
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 17:28
Subject: Cell Phone Questions - Signal Problems & Audio Quality




Doug Kanter wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


John Richards wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
There are solutions to your home location reception problem
(external
Yagi antenna hooked to an in-house repeater) but it's quite
expensive.

I've seen some setups that only use two yagi's, one in the home (or
business), and the other outside,
connected only by cable. No repeater involved.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



And this does what? Somehow redirects the cellular signal into the
home???

What would be your best guess??? ;-)

I have no idea whether it works or not.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:57:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

For those of you reading this in rec.radio.shortwave who are thinking the
question doesn't belong he Take it as a compliment, OK? Some of you might
be the type whose idea of great bathroom reading is a 17 pound book about
antenna theory.

I use SprintPCS with a 4 year old Motorola StarTac ST7867. Just moved to a
new house and I can barely get a signal unless I stand in the middle of the
yard. That's problematic in winter. After grilling a couple of customer
service reps on the phone, I stopped into the Sprint store today and came
away with some questions I need answered before I terminate my service and
try another provider

1) The salesman was the first Sprint employee I've found who was actually
able to show me the actual location of antennas. There's one a mile from my
home, and 2 others within 5 miles, with no obstructions of any kind. No
hills, no tall buildings, just trees and homes. He says this explains
nothing because he signal is highly directional. True or false?
Maybe. Look at the towers and see what is up their. Typical antenna
has about a 120 degree beam width, but if one of those beams isn't
pointing in your general direction, no signal.

As for improved sensitivity with new technology? BS. Receiver
technology has changed remarkably little in the past 40 years. The RF
performance of the handset is mostly related to the antenna design in
the headset. Some are much better than other. For example some
relatively Ericsson GSM handsets like the R520M have outstanding RF
peformance, some newer onces like the T68 were legenady for poor RF
performance. Has little to do with new or old, everything to do with
that particular design. Another headset might well give you much
better performance, but that probably has little to do with whether it
was a design from 5 years ago or 5 months ago.

2) His next suggestion was (of course) to try a newer phone because mine
uses "older technology" which might not be able to pick up such a great
signal. Likely or not?

3) Here's the tricky part: I'm not totally adverse to a newer phone, even
though I have absolutely NO need for color, email, songs, games, digital
pictures, or any other crap. I just need a friggin' phone. But, I've made an
observation over the past few years while listening to the sound quality
when people call me from THEIR phones. It seems that some manufacturers have
gone WAY off the deep end when designing their noise cancelling
arrangements. In many instances, background noise causes the phone to also
kill or scramble the voice of the user. This, of course, makes the phone
useless. I make quite a few calls from my boat in high winds, and people
tell me that as long as I'm manually dealing with the wind somehow (turning
away, etc), the phone sounds like a normal phone as opposed to some sort of
special effects in a B-movie.

Cell phone salesmen (and 98% of customers) seem to take crummy audio quality
for granted, or know nothing about it. So, before I consider upgrading
equipment, I'm hoping for the unlikely: Some specific input from anyone who
has been through this and can recommend brands/models which aren't toys. If
I ever have to call the Coast Guard on my cell phone, it would be really
novel if they could understand me.

The design of the CDMA Codec allows the exchange of voice quality for
network capacity. if you want reliable high quality voice, get rid of
the CDMA phone. GSM Codec's don't have that feature (it isn't useful
on a GSM network). You probably should see what sort of GSM signal you
can get at home. Coverage does vary between carriers.