Aztech wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message ...

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Bull****... it's just QRM

For you, maybe. However this could rejuvenate these bands for mainstream use,
instead of them being increasingly relegated to small pockets of niche users,
which will eventually see all major broadcasters dumping SW if left unchanged.

I rather doubt that the 'mainstream' will ever gravitate back to shortwave.

Keep dreaming though.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Mike Terry wrote:

Monday, 25 October 2004

"Digital short-wave will revolutionise cross-border broadcasts and will
initiate a world-wide renaissance of radio". This was the opinion of the
Director General of Deutsche Welle, Mr Erik Bettermann, during a panel
discussion at Münchner Medientage.

Bettermann, the head of the German international broadcaster - and
instigator of the event - was not the only one to present an optimistic
prediction of a "Digital Global Radio" development: The other panel
specialists also emphasised the advantages of digitalisation in the
so-called AM range, i.e. short-, medium- and long-wave.

The discussion was chaired by Peter Senger, Director of Distribution at
Deutsche Welle and Chairman of the Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM)
Consortium;
and next to Erik Bettermann, BBC representative Mike Cronk, Dan D'Aversa
of
RTL Group and Phil Laven of the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) were
also
participating in the debate.

Senger outlined the advantages of digital short-wave as follows: The
world-wide accepted DRM standard provided an excellent audio-quality
comparable to FM. In addition, the search for frequencies was obsolete,
as
the station identification tuned in to the designated frequency and
automatically switched to the best one. In parallel, it allows for the
sending of accompanying programme information such as text messages.

"On top of everything, digital transmission technology saves a lot of
energy
and costs compared to the analogue one", Senger said. This would open up
enormous opportunities, especially for international broadcasters.

For several years, DW - like many other broadcasters - has noted that
listeners migrated from short-wave to FM or other new distribution
channels
in digital quality, said Bettermann. Deutsche Welle had to stay abreast
of
these changes. "According to test transmissions being operated by
Deutsche
Welle, we anticipate large area coverage in almost FM quality without
interference such as jitters, induced power-noise or fading", the General
Director stated. At the same time, not only stationery indoor reception,
but
also mobile reception in cars and with small portable devices is
possible...(snip).....
Mike Cronk stated that the BBC had invested heavily in DRM and that they
were now developing "a detailed strategy for its initial deployment,
probably into Europe, in 2005". According to Cronk, DRM offered the
unique
combination of wide area short-wave coverage and FM usability and
quality.
As a consequence of using this digital medium, continuous direct delivery
to
the audience avoiding "political or other regulatory obstacles" will be
possible...(snip)....

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http://ukradio.com/news/articles/E69...A75DE7F8A5.asp )

Bull****... it's just QRM

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Hmmm - just like IBOC is 'QRM' for FM reception?

SW broadcasting is funded so that listeners can hear programs, not for the
benefit of amateur DXers.

DRM lets the intended listeners actually hear those programs clearly, and
tune them in easily. It sounds like you don't like it cause it sounds like
noise on your (probably highly expensive) set-up, and you like the tuning
process to be as difficult as possible.

Yes, without co-ordination there may be interefernce problems during the
transmition period, but the sooner the world goes DRM the better
international radio broadcastings prospects IMHO.

Colin wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Mike Terry wrote:

Monday, 25 October 2004

"Digital short-wave will revolutionise cross-border broadcasts and will
initiate a world-wide renaissance of radio". This was the opinion of the
Director General of Deutsche Welle, Mr Erik Bettermann, during a panel
discussion at Münchner Medientage.

Bettermann, the head of the German international broadcaster - and
instigator of the event - was not the only one to present an optimistic
prediction of a "Digital Global Radio" development: The other panel
specialists also emphasised the advantages of digitalisation in the
so-called AM range, i.e. short-, medium- and long-wave.

The discussion was chaired by Peter Senger, Director of Distribution at
Deutsche Welle and Chairman of the Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM)
Consortium;
and next to Erik Bettermann, BBC representative Mike Cronk, Dan D'Aversa
of
RTL Group and Phil Laven of the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) were
also
participating in the debate.

Senger outlined the advantages of digital short-wave as follows: The
world-wide accepted DRM standard provided an excellent audio-quality
comparable to FM. In addition, the search for frequencies was obsolete,
as
the station identification tuned in to the designated frequency and
automatically switched to the best one. In parallel, it allows for the
sending of accompanying programme information such as text messages.

"On top of everything, digital transmission technology saves a lot of
energy
and costs compared to the analogue one", Senger said. This would open up
enormous opportunities, especially for international broadcasters.

For several years, DW - like many other broadcasters - has noted that
listeners migrated from short-wave to FM or other new distribution
channels
in digital quality, said Bettermann. Deutsche Welle had to stay abreast
of
these changes. "According to test transmissions being operated by
Deutsche
Welle, we anticipate large area coverage in almost FM quality without
interference such as jitters, induced power-noise or fading", the General
Director stated. At the same time, not only stationery indoor reception,
but
also mobile reception in cars and with small portable devices is
possible...(snip).....
Mike Cronk stated that the BBC had invested heavily in DRM and that they
were now developing "a detailed strategy for its initial deployment,
probably into Europe, in 2005". According to Cronk, DRM offered the
unique
combination of wide area short-wave coverage and FM usability and
quality.
As a consequence of using this digital medium, continuous direct delivery
to
the audience avoiding "political or other regulatory obstacles" will be
possible...(snip)....

(See more in a long article at
http://ukradio.com/news/articles/E69...A75DE7F8A5.asp )

Bull****... it's just QRM

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Hmmm - just like IBOC is 'QRM' for FM reception?

SW broadcasting is funded so that listeners can hear programs, not for the
benefit of amateur DXers.

DRM lets the intended listeners actually hear those programs clearly, and
tune them in easily. It sounds like you don't like it cause it sounds like
noise on your (probably highly expensive) set-up, and you like the tuning
process to be as difficult as possible.

Yes, without co-ordination there may be interefernce problems during the
transmition period, but the sooner the world goes DRM the better
international radio broadcastings prospects IMHO.

No two ways about it, DRM = QRM... there is no way around it.

If you want crystal clear fidelity I suggest you get yourself a nice FM set.

All I can say is die DRM, die.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message ...


Aztech wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

(See more in a long article at
http://ukradio.com/news/articles/E69...A75DE7F8A5.asp )

Bull****... it's just QRM

For you, maybe. However this could rejuvenate these bands for mainstream use,
instead of them being increasingly relegated to small pockets of niche users,
which will eventually see all major broadcasters dumping SW if left
unchanged.

I rather doubt that the 'mainstream' will ever gravitate back to shortwave.

You might be surprised, if they bring out usable sets with combined DAB/DRM that
can pluck signals from Band-III, FM, SW, LW, MW based on station titles totally
abstracted from frequencies, you might find people listening to SW without them
even being aware of it.

Keep dreaming though.

Anything is better than the current nightmare of a dying medium with little else
to offer but propaganda stations from curious parts of the world, firebrands
reciting scripture and others reciting Pi.


Az.

Aztech wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message ...


Aztech wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

(See more in a long article at
http://ukradio.com/news/articles/E69...A75DE7F8A5.asp )

Bull****... it's just QRM

For you, maybe. However this could rejuvenate these bands for mainstream use,
instead of them being increasingly relegated to small pockets of niche users,
which will eventually see all major broadcasters dumping SW if left
unchanged.

I rather doubt that the 'mainstream' will ever gravitate back to shortwave.

You might be surprised, if they bring out usable sets with combined DAB/DRM that
can pluck signals from Band-III, FM, SW, LW, MW based on station titles totally
abstracted from frequencies, you might find people listening to SW without them
even being aware of it.

Keep dreaming though.

Anything is better than the current nightmare of a dying medium with little else
to offer but propaganda stations from curious parts of the world, firebrands
reciting scripture and others reciting Pi.

And you think that with DRM you'll get something better?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message ...

Anything is better than the current nightmare of a dying medium with little
else
to offer but propaganda stations from curious parts of the world, firebrands
reciting scripture and others reciting Pi.

And you think that with DRM you'll get something better?

Certainly can't be any worse than the current predicament.


Az.

Aztech wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message ...

Anything is better than the current nightmare of a dying medium with little
else
to offer but propaganda stations from curious parts of the world, firebrands
reciting scripture and others reciting Pi.

And you think that with DRM you'll get something better?

Certainly can't be any worse than the current predicament.

Some folks don't necessarily consider it a 'predicament'.

Get yourself a nice FM radio or an XM or Sirius setup.

Be happy, and don't screw up someone else's spectrum.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"Colin" wrote in message
...
Hmmm - just like IBOC is 'QRM' for FM reception?

SW broadcasting is funded so that listeners can hear programs, not for the
benefit of amateur DXers.

DRM lets the intended listeners actually hear those programs clearly, and
tune them in easily. It sounds like you don't like it cause it sounds like
noise on your (probably highly expensive) set-up, and you like the tuning
process to be as difficult as possible.

Yes, without co-ordination there may be interefernce problems during the
transmition period, but the sooner the world goes DRM the better
international radio broadcastings prospects IMHO.


Perhaps you will tell us how the intended audiences of most shortwave
programming will be able to obtain these DRM receivers? Since most of these
broadcasts are intended for audiences outside their own countries, and for
other than their own expatriots (e.g. third world or oppressed populations),
those audiences are not likely to be able to afford (even if they could
obtain) such radios. Ordinary AM shortwave could be received with nothing
more than a few meters of wire, a variable capacitor (and even a fixed one
will work, depending upon design), a diode and an earphone. Reception of DRM
requires technology that is not available to much of the world.

"dxAce" wrote in message ...

Some folks don't necessarily consider it a 'predicament'.

Get yourself a nice FM radio or an XM or Sirius setup.

Be happy, and don't screw up someone else's spectrum.

It's not a matter of me, the broadcasters are perfectly entitled to 'screw up'
their own spectrum, be that with an new ITU approved system for example.

Do you seriously believe they'll be anything left to screw up if left on its
current course?

The broadcasters, who are the ones' that have to spend money remember, have
certainly identified with this 'predicament' over many years. How much fun will
your DX efforts be if nobody bothers to broadcast anymore? Granted, there will
always be those to draw a sadistic pleasure from eeking out the last signal
broadcast the other side of the world.

Unfortunately you can't support a system that is broadcasting to a few hobbyists
who are more interested in the medium not the message

One would imagine you'd appreciate something new to DX.


Az.

In article ,
"Colin" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Snip Mike Terry BS

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Bull****... it's just QRM

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Hmmm - just like IBOC is 'QRM' for FM reception?

SW broadcasting is funded so that listeners can hear programs, not for the
benefit of amateur DXers.

I'm a program listener and I don't want it.

DRM lets the intended listeners actually hear those programs clearly, and
tune them in easily. It sounds like you don't like it cause it sounds like
noise on your (probably highly expensive) set-up, and you like the tuning
process to be as difficult as possible.

This is DRM propaganda.

Yes, without co-ordination there may be interefernce problems during the
transmition period, but the sooner the world goes DRM the better
international radio broadcastings prospects IMHO.

Baloney.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California