Barrel wrote:

Well, your Child in School will now be screened by a Bureaucrat(s)
That will come to Your local school.
(sounds like "Brave New World" Huh?) They will prescribe Expensive Psychotropic Drugs
to children.The children that are deemed mentally sick , will have to show up at the school
nurse everyday to make sure the kids take the drugs and the Parents keep buying the drugs.
Keep telling Yourself "It couldn't happen here" while IT IS HAPPENING.

Not worried Adults? They said It will eventually "extend to adults"
All in the Name of Profits for Drug companies.

Remember this happened in a majority republican House,Senate Congress.

The Vote has passed and Now Bush Will Sign it.



Do you happen to have links to the actual bills, or information so I could track them down?

I couldn't find this information on the link you provided.

I couldn't even find a quote from the legislation.

I'd like to read what it actually says before making up my mind about it.

If true, it's yet another reason for homeschooling.

Joel

Joel Shapiro wrote:
If true, it's yet another reason for homeschooling.

Joel

we homeschool one child, and will homeschool the other two when they are
old enough. though who knows, maybe this will be a requirement for
homeschoolers too...

Ben, I can't imagine that it will be.

Our kids aren't quite old enough, but we're planning to homeschool as well.

Joel

Joel Shapiro wrote:
Ben, I can't imagine that it will be.

Our kids aren't quite old enough, but we're planning to homeschool as well.

Joel

do you live in a homeschool friendly area? luckily we do now, though we
come from a area where it's highly frowned upon.

email me offlist if you want any resources, my wife's quite the
researcher :-)

-ben

Dear Mr Anonymous Poster,

Why are you trolling these newsgroups with your crap? Most of what
you are spewing is false.......the rest is distorted beyond belief.
You are betrayed by the line "but I am making my financial donation to
the Thomas Moore Law Center". You are a SPAMMER.....no more, no
less.

For the ASPers that need to know what this mouth-breather is all
about, go to http://www.thomasmore.org/ and see if this is something
you want to sign on to.

What next?..............dinosaurs are the Devil's work?

R...............obert
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On 22 Nov 2004 20:17:22 -0000, er
(Barrel) wrote:

Well, your Child in School will now be screened by a Bureaucrat(s)
That will come to Your local school.
(sounds like "Brave New World" Huh?) They will prescribe Expensive Psychotropic Drugs
to children.The children that are deemed mentally sick , will have to show up at the school
nurse everyday to make sure the kids take the drugs and the Parents keep buying the drugs.
Keep telling Yourself "It couldn't happen here" while IT IS HAPPENING.

Not worried Adults? They said It will eventually "extend to adults"
All in the Name of Profits for Drug companies.

Remember this happened in a majority republican House,Senate Congress.

The Vote has passed and Now Bush Will Sign it.

Read this from a few days earlier:
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URGENT ALERT: VOTE COMING ON FORCED MENTAL HEALTH SCREENING

By: Devvy
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd78.htm
November19, 2004

NewsWithViews.com

"Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed
action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to
our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within
the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it
violates the right of an individual." --Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1819

Congressman Ron Paul is attempting to include language in another massive government spending
bill that would require parental notification regarding Bush's attempt to force mental health
screening on all children in this country. Paul's earlier attempts to insert a stop measure
into the Labor, HHS and Education Appropriations Act failed. No surprise there. If this dangerous
provision in that bill passes, it will be because the Republicans didn't stop it and a Republican
president will sign it into law. The vote on this could come by this weekend.

It is important to remember that some members of Congress who will vote on this insidious
legislation, also own stock in the very pharmaceutical companies that will reap millions
of dollars destroying the minds of America's children through forced medicating. A list
of these congressional members can be found here. Even the the Association of American
Physicians and Surgeons warned the public just a week ago that universal psychiatric
screening and drugging of children is "a dangerous scheme that will heap even more coercive
pressure on parents to medicate children with potentially dangerous side effects."

There is an underlying agenda behind Bush's so-called 'New Freedom Commission on Mental Health'
to "identify policies that could be implemented by Federal, State and local governments to promote
successful community integration for adults with a serious mental illness and children with a
serious emotional disturbance." This forced mental health screening will eventually be extended
to adults - an exact replica of Communist Russia, straight from the Communist Manual of Instruction
of Psychological Warfare. In the summary section of this "New Freedom" Commission on Mental Health,
the summary states, "The State plan will include consumers and families and will create a new
partnership among the Federal, State and local governments." The big carrot: federal money that
will create new jobs - the same trap Americans have been diving into for the past decade as
jobs in America's most important sectors (ag, manufacturing, industrial) have been shipped to foreign countries.


While the quote below will be a most unwelcome one for those still celebrating Bush's reelection
and a "Republican sweep" in Congress, Americans must open their eyes to the bigger picture and
evaluate what is coming out of Washington, DC. The author of The Great Communitarian Hoax, Jeri Lynn Ball,
is one of the most knowledgeable experts in this country on how America is being subverted in such a clever,
diabolical and systematic way, that our people hardly know what's happening to them and their families
- until it's too late.



As Jeri points out regarding this gigantic step to crush those of us and our children who refuse
to bow down to the new world order being pushed upon us by both parties in Washington, DC,
"The real cause of mental disorders in this country is the communitarian attack on principled
individualism and the massive indoctrination of Americans with the altruist-collectivst principles
of the Communist morality including selflessness and the sense of community. Communitarian administrations,
including Bush, have adopted the Russian system of forcing consumers to have primary care providers,
who will of course be trained to provide "appropriate" treatment for "mental health problems."
According to the Communist Manual, all doctors, psychiatrists, and community health workers will
bet trained in Marxist-Lenin Communist doctrine and will monitor their patents' thoughts and
effectively work to prevent outbreaks of dissent or rebellion."

It easy to scoff at such a statement unless you have read all of her thoroughly researched books as
well as other talented writers like Mary Starrett who have written on this issue. This type of
research does require an enormous amount of time - something most Americans simply aren't interested
in doing when they can get their 15-second sound bites from Rather, Brokaw, et al. Others who genuinely
do care are buried with familial responsibilities which is also part of the brilliant, evil plan to
enslave America: keep both parents chasing to put food on the table so they have little time to study
the events which directly affect their lives.

Unconstitutional

Ron Paul may feel the best he can do is attempt to get parental notification, but I say no more band aids.
The only question that should be addressed here is this: Where does the U.S. Constitution, specifically
Art. 1, Sec. 8 authorize Congress to legislate that all children in America be forced to undergo mental
health screening or testing? Simply put, there isn't any authority.

The "general welfare" clause of the Constitution can't be used. This quote is from the general welfare
clause link: "The Anti-Federalists still weren't satisfied. Hamilton and Madison came back to re-state
that if the general welfare clause conveyed absolute power to the government, why would they go on to
list the specific powers they were going to grant the government? That wouldn't make any sense at all
if they were going to give absolute power to this government. It was finally conceded by all at the
convention that the general welfare clause conveyed absolutely no power to the government."

In other words, Congress is and always has been restricted to the areas specifically cited in Art. 1, Sec. 8.
Forced mental health screening and/or testing for America's children flat out does not fall within their
jurisdiction. Is there case law to back this up? Yes, in Lopez v US (1995) the U.S. Supreme Court said
Congress overstepped its legislative authority when it passed a law regarding "gun free school zones."
While that case was about guns, the basic argument is still the same: Congress doesn't have the authority
to legislate outside Art. 1, Section 8, period. I'm certain there are dozens of cases that can be used to
argue against this dangerous monster looming over America's parents.

What can you do? First, call your federal house member and your counterfeit U.S. Senator and tell them
that you will refuse to submit your child to any forced mental health screening. Tell them no. This land
belongs to us. We the people. There can no longer be any hesitation on the part of the American people to
stand up to these one world government advocates in Washington, DC. They are our servants and work for us.
Yes, it is a bit scary for those who have never stood up to the federal machine before, but we must and we
must do it together, unified.

Second, Call the White House and politely tell the comment line that even if this Machiavellian plan becomes law,
you will refuse to submit your child to any forced mental health testing, treatment or otherwise. Those members
of my family who have children under 18 have already done this. Time is short, please do it today. Even if the
vote doesn't happen this week, it will happen - every phone call will count. White House numbers: Comments:
202-456-1111; Switchboard: 202-456-1414; Fax: 202-456-2461; E-Mail: President George W. Bush:

Third: If you belong to fine organizations like Concerned Women of America, contact their leadership and
ask them to use the power of the Internet to get their members to begin flooding Congress and the White
house with calls, all conveying the same message: under no circumstances will you submit your child to
any forced government mental health screening, treatments or programs. There are roughly 30,000 citizens
groups in this country which represent tens of millions of adults. The roar heard by Washington, DC on
this effort must be so massive, that Bush's master plan (New Freedom Commission on Mental Health) is crushed.

The other important action everyone can take is to financially support those public interest law firms that
will most likely be the ones to fight a case brought by a parent who refuses to submit their child to this
forced testing. Should the Republican controlled Congress pass this dangerous legislation (which Bush will
sign it into law in a NY second), make no mistake: they will move on your children and grand children
before the ink dries. Bush signed the Executive Order to set up this mental health commision back in April
2002, so they've had plenty of time to lay the groundwork and get ready - all they need is Congress to pass the legislation.

This is one of the most important fights we face and those parents who refuse will need legal representation.
As my daughter is 29, it doesn't affect me, but I am making my financial donation to the Thomas Moore Law Center
because this is a righteous fight. It is a fight to stop the federal machine from taking control of
America's children and reshaping their minds through drugs and propaganda. Thank you.



_________________________________________________ ____

Robert Crim wrote:

For the ASPers that need to know what this mouth-breather is all
about, go to http://www.thomasmore.org/ and see if this is something
you want to sign on to.

What next?..............dinosaurs are the Devil's work?


So, one would assume you are FOR mandatory psychiatric testing of the
population at large. Will you be gassing the 'below normals'?



It seems funny how these people stand to make billions in profits when
the plan is implemented.

==========================================
Pharmaceutical companies contributed $27 million in individual, PAC
and soft money contributions to Congress in the 2002 election cycle --
75 percent to republicans. In 2004, drug companies have contributed
more than $7 million to national officeholders -- 66 percent to
Republicans.

According to analysis by FTCR, Governor Schwarzenegger has received
over $325,000 in campaign contributions from pharmaceutical companies.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=34341

===========================================

Wow, what do you know? A link that doesn't work... Anyone seeing a
trolling pattern here?

Scoop

"ShÎllary" wrote in message
...
In article
"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

Barrel wrote:

Well, your Child in School will now be screened by a Bureaucrat(s)
That will come to Your local school.
(sounds like "Brave New World" Huh?) They will prescribe Expensive
Psychotropic Drugs
to children.The children that are deemed mentally sick , will have to
show up at the school
nurse everyday to make sure the kids take the drugs and the Parents
keep buying the drugs.
Keep telling Yourself "It couldn't happen here" while IT IS HAPPENING.

Not worried Adults? They said It will eventually "extend to adults"
All in the Name of Profits for Drug companies.

Remember this happened in a majority republican House,Senate Congress.

The Vote has passed and Now Bush Will Sign it.



Do you happen to have links to the actual bills, or information so I
could track them down?

I couldn't find this information on the link you provided.

I couldn't even find a quote from the legislation.

I'd like to read what it actually says before making up my mind about it.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...con.res.00292:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul204.html

google ( New Freedom Commission mental health )

Scoop wrote:
Wow, what do you know? A link that doesn't work... Anyone seeing a
trolling pattern here?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...con.res.00292:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul204.html


Both links work fine here.



mike

ShÎllary wrote:

In article
"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

Barrel wrote:

Well, your Child in School will now be screened by a Bureaucrat(s)
That will come to Your local school.
(sounds like "Brave New World" Huh?) They will prescribe Expensive Psychotropic Drugs
to children.The children that are deemed mentally sick , will have to show up at the school
nurse everyday to make sure the kids take the drugs and the Parents keep buying the drugs.
Keep telling Yourself "It couldn't happen here" while IT IS HAPPENING.

Not worried Adults? They said It will eventually "extend to adults"
All in the Name of Profits for Drug companies.

Remember this happened in a majority republican House,Senate Congress.

The Vote has passed and Now Bush Will Sign it.



Do you happen to have links to the actual bills, or information so I could track them down?

I couldn't find this information on the link you provided.

I couldn't even find a quote from the legislation.

I'd like to read what it actually says before making up my mind about it.


http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...con.res.00292:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul204.html

google ( New Freedom Commission mental health )


I'm familiar with the New Freedom Commission report.

It doesn't call for forced mental health screening. It calls for making
mental health screening routine, and available to everyone.

That's different from "forced" or "mandatory".

Before you argue against the bill, you might want to read it, and the
report it's based on.

Here's the text of the bill:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.CON.RES.292:

Here's the final report of the commission:

http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/reports/reports.htm

Here's the executive summary:

http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov/reports/Finalreport/FullReport.htm