I'm using 300Ohm Twinlead as an ant hooked up to a 4:1 current balun. But,
the lead is NOT
split and divided like a dipole but can't just as it is together.

Is it still functioning exactly as a bad dipole?
I'm getting great reception, low noise. I just don't want to limit myself
with a dipole.

Lucky

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:16:30 -0500, "Lucky"
wrote:

I'm using 300Ohm Twinlead as an ant hooked up to a 4:1 current balun. But,
the lead is NOT
split and divided like a dipole but can't just as it is together.

Is it still functioning exactly as a bad dipole?
I'm getting great reception, low noise. I just don't want to limit myself
with a dipole.

Lucky

Definitely not functioning as a dipole based on your description.
However, as long as you're getting good reception does it matter? I
am curious, are you running it vertical, horizontal or a combination
of the two?

Happy Thanksgiving,
Howard

= = = "Lucky" wrote in message
= = = ...

I'm using 300Ohm Twinlead as an ant hooked up to a 4:1 current balun.
But, the lead is NOT split and divided like a dipole but can't just
as it is together.

Is it still functioning exactly as a bad dipole?
I'm getting great reception, low noise. I just don't want to limit
myself with a dipole.

Lucky


LUCKY,

Hey - What Works - WORKS ! )

What you appear to have is a Center-Fed ZEPP Antenna or "T" Antenna.

Using a Balun (Matching Transformer) and Coax Cable Feed-in-Line
makes it an 'improved' Low Noise Antenna.

You may wish to consider moving the Feed-Point from the Center of
Two Equal Arms to an Off-Center Feed-Point with a Short-Arm of 38%
and a Long-Arm of 62% of the Total Length of the Antenna. This
type 'configuration' of Wire Antenna is called a "WINDOM" Antenna.

Three to Read:

* Need an Off-Center Fed SWL Antenna consider a Windom type design
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/1582
- The ORIGINAL Windom Antenna
- The Improved "Low Noise" Windom Antenna
- The "Dipole" Windom Antenna
- The "G5RV" Windom Antenna

* KISAP Broadband Antenna Questions
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/1511
Shortwave Listener "SWL" {300 Ohm Twin Lead} Windom Antenna
- Long-Arm 'cut' for the 49 Meter Shortwave Band = 38.54 Feet
- Short-Arm 'cut' for the 31 Meter Shortwave Band = 24.13 Feet
- Vertical-Leg 'cut' for the 19 Meter Shortwave Band = 15.15 Feet
- Mount/Rig this Antenna at a Height of 30.3 Feet with the Vertical
Leg and Coax Cable Feed-in-Line coming down Straight and Vertical.
- TV 300 Ohm to 75 Ohm Matching Transformer (Balun)
- TV 75 Ohm Coax Cable Feed-in-Line
NOTE: The 300 Ohm Twin Lead froms a 'continious loop of wire'
in the shape (outline) of a small 't'. The Ends of the Loop are
connected to the 300 Ohm Ends of the Matching Transformer.

* A Few "Ready-Made" Windom Antennas
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/1583


iane ~ RHF
..
..
Some Say: On A Clear Day You Can See Forever.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/502
I BELIEVE: On A Clear Night...
You Can Hear Forever and Beyond - The BEYOND !
..
..

"Howard" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:16:30 -0500, "Lucky"
wrote:

I'm using 300Ohm Twinlead as an ant hooked up to a 4:1 current balun. But,
the lead is NOT
split and divided like a dipole but can't just as it is together.

Is it still functioning exactly as a bad dipole?
I'm getting great reception, low noise. I just don't want to limit myself
with a dipole.

Lucky

Definitely not functioning as a dipole based on your description.
However, as long as you're getting good reception does it matter? I
am curious, are you running it vertical, horizontal or a combination
of the two?

Happy Thanksgiving,
Howard

I have it sloping from the top rail of one side of the terrace, down to the
bottom of the other side of the terrace front. From there it's sloping back
up on the smaller side of the terrace to the window. So it's sloping down,
then to the side of the terrace sloping up then to the window. I'm in front
of the ocean also.

Lucky

"RHF" wrote in message
m...
= = = "Lucky" wrote in message
= = = ...

I'm using 300Ohm Twinlead as an ant hooked up to a 4:1 current balun.
But, the lead is NOT split and divided like a dipole but can't just
as it is together.

Is it still functioning exactly as a bad dipole?
I'm getting great reception, low noise. I just don't want to limit
myself with a dipole.

Lucky


LUCKY,

Hey - What Works - WORKS ! )

What you appear to have is a Center-Fed ZEPP Antenna or "T" Antenna.

Using a Balun (Matching Transformer) and Coax Cable Feed-in-Line
makes it an 'improved' Low Noise Antenna.

You may wish to consider moving the Feed-Point from the Center of
Two Equal Arms to an Off-Center Feed-Point with a Short-Arm of 38%
and a Long-Arm of 62% of the Total Length of the Antenna. This
type 'configuration' of Wire Antenna is called a "WINDOM" Antenna.

Three to Read:

* Need an Off-Center Fed SWL Antenna consider a Windom type design
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/1582
- The ORIGINAL Windom Antenna
- The Improved "Low Noise" Windom Antenna
- The "Dipole" Windom Antenna
- The "G5RV" Windom Antenna

* KISAP Broadband Antenna Questions
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/1511
Shortwave Listener "SWL" {300 Ohm Twin Lead} Windom Antenna
- Long-Arm 'cut' for the 49 Meter Shortwave Band = 38.54 Feet
- Short-Arm 'cut' for the 31 Meter Shortwave Band = 24.13 Feet
- Vertical-Leg 'cut' for the 19 Meter Shortwave Band = 15.15 Feet
- Mount/Rig this Antenna at a Height of 30.3 Feet with the Vertical
Leg and Coax Cable Feed-in-Line coming down Straight and Vertical.
- TV 300 Ohm to 75 Ohm Matching Transformer (Balun)
- TV 75 Ohm Coax Cable Feed-in-Line
NOTE: The 300 Ohm Twin Lead froms a 'continious loop of wire'
in the shape (outline) of a small 't'. The Ends of the Loop are
connected to the 300 Ohm Ends of the Matching Transformer.

* A Few "Ready-Made" Windom Antennas
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/1583


iane ~ RHF
.
.
Some Say: On A Clear Day You Can See Forever.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/502
I BELIEVE: On A Clear Night...
You Can Hear Forever and Beyond - The BEYOND !
.
.

Thank you RHF

Good info as always. I will read up.

Lucky

RHF schrieb:

You may wish to consider moving the Feed-Point from the Center of
Two Equal Arms to an Off-Center Feed-Point with a Short-Arm of 38%
and a Long-Arm of 62% of the Total Length of the Antenna. This
type 'configuration' of Wire Antenna is called a "WINDOM" Antenna.


It's more likely a FD-Antenna. This is fed with a coax-cable and a 1:4
BalUn.
A real[tm] windom antenna is fed by a single wire feeding the "top of
the asymmetric T" without a BalUn. The windom Antenna is much more
limited in bandwidth compared to a FD-antenna.
The BalUn of a FD-Antenna you can feed with some more different wires of
different lenghts. Try some additional shorter wires to increase
reception on the higher bands. I feed mine with 4 wires of app. 8, 20,
45 and 120ft paired 120 and 8 ft on one connector and 45 and 20ft on the
other connector of the BalUn with very good results from 10 to 80
meters. It even works fine as CB-antenna with low SWR.

"RHF" wrote
You may wish to consider moving the Feed-Point from the Center of
Two Equal Arms to an Off-Center Feed-Point with a Short-Arm of 38%
and a Long-Arm of 62% of the Total Length of the Antenna. This
type 'configuration' of Wire Antenna is called a "WINDOM" Antenna.

RHF: Windom style antennas are transmitting gimmicks that use the vertical
component of the antenna as an added radiator for wider band coverage than a
dipole (without a tuner that is) would otherwise have. No windom antenna has
any added receive benefits whatsoever. I would say it has no place in SWL at
all for that matter, there being many easier to install and general coverage
receive antennas available.

best regards,

Jack

= = = "Jack Painter" wrote in message
= = = news:owNpd.4394$SA.57@lakeread02...
"RHF" wrote
You may wish to consider moving the Feed-Point from the Center of
Two Equal Arms to an Off-Center Feed-Point with a Short-Arm of 38%
and a Long-Arm of 62% of the Total Length of the Antenna. This
type 'configuration' of Wire Antenna is called a "WINDOM" Antenna.

RHF: Windom style antennas are transmitting gimmicks that use the vertical
component of the antenna as an added radiator for wider band coverage than a
dipole (without a tuner that is) would otherwise have. No windom antenna has
any added receive benefits whatsoever. I would say it has no place in SWL at
all for that matter, there being many easier to install and general coverage
receive antennas available.

best regards,

Jack


JP,

ABOUT - Shortwave Listeners (SWLers) and Shortwave Listening (SWLing)
'part' of the SWLers' FUN is:
- Simply Listening to "What Is Out There" )
- Buying; Seting-Up, Using and Modifying the SWL Equipment )
- Buying, Building (Thinking About & Planning SWL Antenna )
and for some Posting here on Rec.Radio.Shortwave etc )

IMHO: If a SWL can Buy/Build some form of Windom Antenna and ENJOY
using it to Listen to Shortwave - Then the Windom Antenna has a
'place' in Shortwave Listening.

* KISAP Broadband Shortwave Listeners' (SWL) Windom Antenna
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/1511
Shortwave Listener "SWL" {300 Ohm Twin Lead} Windom Antenna
- Long-Arm 'cut' for the 49 Meter Shortwave Band = 38.54 Feet
- Short-Arm 'cut' for the 31 Meter Shortwave Band = 24.13 Feet
- Vertical-Leg 'cut' for the 19 Meter Shortwave Band = 15.15 Feet
- Mount/Rig this Antenna at a Height of 30.3 Feet with the Vertical
Leg and Coax Cable Feed-in-Line coming down Straight and Vertical.
- TV 300 Ohm to 75 Ohm Matching Transformer (Balun)
- TV 75 Ohm Coax Cable Feed-in-Line
NOTE: The 300 Ohm Twin Lead froms a 'continious loop of wire'
in the shape (outline) of a small 't'. The Ends of the Loop are
connected to the 300 Ohm Ends of the Matching Transformer.

iane ~ RHF
..
..

"Volker Tonn" wrote in message
...


RHF schrieb:

You may wish to consider moving the Feed-Point from the Center of Two
Equal Arms to an Off-Center Feed-Point with a Short-Arm of 38% and a
Long-Arm of 62% of the Total Length of the Antenna. This type
'configuration' of Wire Antenna is called a "WINDOM" Antenna.

It's more likely a FD-Antenna. This is fed with a coax-cable and a 1:4
BalUn.
A real[tm] windom antenna is fed by a single wire feeding the "top of the
asymmetric T" without a BalUn. The windom Antenna is much more limited in
bandwidth compared to a FD-antenna.
The BalUn of a FD-Antenna you can feed with some more different wires of
different lenghts. Try some additional shorter wires to increase reception
on the higher bands. I feed mine with 4 wires of app. 8, 20, 45 and 120ft
paired 120 and 8 ft on one connector and 45 and 20ft on the other
connector of the BalUn with very good results from 10 to 80 meters. It
even works fine as CB-antenna with low SWR.


Hi

So you're saying add extentions to the ends of the ant not near the balun??
I'm not using coax cause the radio is right near the window on a table. The
twinlead comes in, gets hooked right up to the balun, and then 50Ohm coax
rest of the way to the to the radio. I'm using 40 FT total for that's all I
have room for but I can add the extentions. What lengths would you suggest
for each end?

I don't understand where and how I add more then 2 wires to it. At what
points do I add them to? How do you use 4 wires?

Thank you
Lucky

"RHF" wrote in message
m...
= = = "Lucky" wrote in message
= = = ...

I'm using 300Ohm Twinlead as an ant hooked up to a 4:1 current balun.
But, the lead is NOT split and divided like a dipole but can't just
as it is together.

Is it still functioning exactly as a bad dipole?
I'm getting great reception, low noise. I just don't want to limit
myself with a dipole.

Lucky


LUCKY,

Hey - What Works - WORKS ! )

What you appear to have is a Center-Fed ZEPP Antenna or "T" Antenna.

Using a Balun (Matching Transformer) and Coax Cable Feed-in-Line
makes it an 'improved' Low Noise Antenna.

You may wish to consider moving the Feed-Point from the Center of
Two Equal Arms to an Off-Center Feed-Point with a Short-Arm of 38%
and a Long-Arm of 62% of the Total Length of the Antenna. This
type 'configuration' of Wire Antenna is called a "WINDOM" Antenna.

Three to Read:

* Need an Off-Center Fed SWL Antenna consider a Windom type design
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/1582
- The ORIGINAL Windom Antenna
- The Improved "Low Noise" Windom Antenna
- The "Dipole" Windom Antenna
- The "G5RV" Windom Antenna

* KISAP Broadband Antenna Questions
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/1511
Shortwave Listener "SWL" {300 Ohm Twin Lead} Windom Antenna
- Long-Arm 'cut' for the 49 Meter Shortwave Band = 38.54 Feet
- Short-Arm 'cut' for the 31 Meter Shortwave Band = 24.13 Feet
- Vertical-Leg 'cut' for the 19 Meter Shortwave Band = 15.15 Feet
- Mount/Rig this Antenna at a Height of 30.3 Feet with the Vertical
Leg and Coax Cable Feed-in-Line coming down Straight and Vertical.
- TV 300 Ohm to 75 Ohm Matching Transformer (Balun)
- TV 75 Ohm Coax Cable Feed-in-Line
NOTE: The 300 Ohm Twin Lead froms a 'continious loop of wire'
in the shape (outline) of a small 't'. The Ends of the Loop are
connected to the 300 Ohm Ends of the Matching Transformer.

* A Few "Ready-Made" Windom Antennas
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/1583


iane ~ RHF
.
.
Some Say: On A Clear Day You Can See Forever.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...na/message/502
I BELIEVE: On A Clear Night...
You Can Hear Forever and Beyond - The BEYOND !
.
.

On thing I should make clear is that this twinlead is NOT center fed at all.
I'm using the lead just like a long wire except the ends of the twinL are
separate and not connected and it's hooked up to a balun in the room, not
outside. Only coax from balun to beautiful radio.

Lucky