A few months ago a guy who owns an auto dealership in Arizona was trying
to set up a dealership to sell Chinese made cars in Arizona and then
expand his dealership for Chinese made cars to other states in
America.Some of those cars was priced as low as about $7,000 and all of
those cars were of such poor quality that they could never legally be
sold in America.Of course we know right now there are American auto name
brand factories in China such as Jeep,Buick and one or two others.I hate
to say it or even think about it but someday perhaps China will take
over selling autos/trucks/vans in America.
cuhulin

I guess you said it for me because that is what I was trying to say
too.Thanks.
cuhulin

.I hate
to say it or even think about it but someday perhaps China will take
over selling autos/trucks/vans in America.
cuhulin


Mercedes Benz is also starting up in China. I beleive they also layed off
German engineers and hired foreign engineers.

Its one thing to say that a new competitor enters with inovative products
that competes with well known proven names such as Sony for example. But to
produce a product that offers no significant technological improvment and is
simply meant to copy and undercut the competition through cheap labour and
by keeping your currency significantly undervalued relative to the Japanese
Yen, well. The end result can only be - there goes the neighborhood.
Excellence in product will no longer be available unless your willing to pay
a fortune. There will only be low end consumer junk or very high end
military/commercial gems.

I only hope that the likes of Icom, Kenwood and JRC can weather the currency
wars and remain in the amateur/swl business.
The Chinese consumers are certainly not buying (can't afford) foreign
products at the current low value of the Yuan .

If the US$ (which the value of the Chinese Yuan is currently pegged to)
continues its decline the Drake R8B will be looking mighty cheap to foreign
buyers. But so will cheap Chinese made radios if the currency peg remains
in place.

It all hinges on the currency exchange and cost of labour - economics.

"tianli" wrote in message
...
.I hate
to say it or even think about it but someday perhaps China will
take
over selling autos/trucks/vans in America.
cuhulin


Mercedes Benz is also starting up in China. I beleive they also
layed off
German engineers and hired foreign engineers.

Benz and the other German carmakers (owned by GM, Ford
or whomever) have enough problems with quality. They
are now the bottom scrapers in the automotive food chain,
as far as auto quality is concerned.

Its one thing to say that a new competitor enters with inovative
products
that competes with well known proven names such as Sony for example.
But to
produce a product that offers no significant technological
improvment and is
simply meant to copy and undercut the competition through cheap
labour and
by keeping your currency significantly undervalued relative to the
Japanese
Yen, well. The end result can only be - there goes the
neighborhood.
Excellence in product will no longer be available unless your
willing to pay
a fortune. There will only be low end consumer junk or very high
end
military/commercial gems.

Just remember that the old transistor radios of the 50s and
60s were the old junk pile stuff, and those companies grew
up to be the big Japanese companies that are here now.
I think that it would be presumptuous of us to guess that
Made in China will always denote crap, when even in our
lifetimes, Made in Japan and Made in Taiwan went from
crap to pretty damn good.

I only hope that the likes of Icom, Kenwood and JRC can weather the
currency
wars and remain in the amateur/swl business.
The Chinese consumers are certainly not buying (can't afford)
foreign
products at the current low value of the Yuan .

If the US$ (which the value of the Chinese Yuan is currently pegged
to)
continues its decline the Drake R8B will be looking mighty cheap to
foreign
buyers. But so will cheap Chinese made radios if the currency peg
remains
in place.

It all hinges on the currency exchange and cost of labour -
economics.

I look at it this way. In the late 80's/early 90's, Japan's
economic might looked like it was going to take over
top dog within 10 years. Then the bubble burst. Same
thing happened to the Asian Tigers of the late 90's.
Nothing has convinced me that China will avoid the
same fate of ups and downs.

--Mike L.

Just remember that the old transistor radios of the 50s and
60s were the old junk pile stuff, and those companies grew
up to be the big Japanese companies that are here now.
I think that it would be presumptuous of us to guess that
Made in China will always denote crap, when even in our
lifetimes, Made in Japan and Made in Taiwan went from
crap to pretty damn good.


Certaily a fine comparison. But the social differences between mainland
Chinese and Taiwan and Japan are quite different. To make a peek into
the future of ones potential you simply have to analyse the society.
Japanese were always known for details and accuracy. Much like Swiss
watch fame. It was only a matter of time before they built up their
production
ability to A1 quality levels. I can't see the same social characteristics
among mainland Chinese in general. On the contrary it is a very deceitful
business world where foreign companies MUST keep a close eye on their
products being produced.


I look at it this way. In the late 80's/early 90's, Japan's
economic might looked like it was going to take over
top dog within 10 years. Then the bubble burst. Same
thing happened to the Asian Tigers of the late 90's.
Nothing has convinced me that China will avoid the
same fate of ups and downs.


I'm not so concerned about who becomes "top dog". What I am
concerned about is that the current top dog line-up are forced to retire
due to economics. Then the engineering and design is lost forever.

If there is a demand then there will always be someone to fill that demand.
The key is what is that "demand" satisfied with and can they afford it?
Making products dirt cheap to appeal to the low end market and to kill
the competition has never furthered engineering and design excellence.
It simply is not economical in the long run.

I don't envision a quality product company like Drake or Sony emerging
from a pure mainland Chinese firm anytime soon. Perhaps partners which each
providing what they are best at producing - I.E. Eton/Grundig+Drake+Tecsun.
But to this day I have not been impressed with Eton or Sangean products.
We shall see if the E1 will be a turning point.

"tianli" wrote in message
...

Just remember that the old transistor radios of the 50s and
60s were the old junk pile stuff, and those companies grew
up to be the big Japanese companies that are here now.
I think that it would be presumptuous of us to guess that
Made in China will always denote crap, when even in our
lifetimes, Made in Japan and Made in Taiwan went from
crap to pretty damn good.


Certaily a fine comparison. But the social differences between
mainland
Chinese and Taiwan and Japan are quite different. To make a peek
into
the future of ones potential you simply have to analyse the society.
Japanese were always known for details and accuracy. Much like
Swiss
watch fame. It was only a matter of time before they built up their
production
ability to A1 quality levels. I can't see the same social
characteristics
among mainland Chinese in general. On the contrary it is a very
deceitful
business world where foreign companies MUST keep a close eye on
their
products being produced.


I look at it this way. In the late 80's/early 90's, Japan's
economic might looked like it was going to take over
top dog within 10 years. Then the bubble burst. Same
thing happened to the Asian Tigers of the late 90's.
Nothing has convinced me that China will avoid the
same fate of ups and downs.


I'm not so concerned about who becomes "top dog". What I am
concerned about is that the current top dog line-up are forced to
retire
due to economics. Then the engineering and design is lost forever.

If there is a demand then there will always be someone to fill that
demand.
The key is what is that "demand" satisfied with and can they afford
it?
Making products dirt cheap to appeal to the low end market and to
kill
the competition has never furthered engineering and design
excellence.
It simply is not economical in the long run.

I don't envision a quality product company like Drake or Sony
emerging
from a pure mainland Chinese firm anytime soon. Perhaps partners
which each
providing what they are best at producing - I.E.
Eton/Grundig+Drake+Tecsun.
But to this day I have not been impressed with Eton or Sangean
products.
We shall see if the E1 will be a turning point.

Sangean isn't Chinese, it's Taiwanese. I still have an
ATS-803a in the form of the Radio Shack Realistic
DX-440, and it does a great job on SSB. One of the
few portables ever to have a tunable BFO (an actual
knob) as well as an adjustable gain control (again, an
actual knob). The 803a also handles outside and external
antennas fairly well without overloading (buying or
building a BCB filter is recommended if you're in the
city and close to a MW antenna, tho). In fact, the only
real limitations it has are that it's audio isn't the greatest
(remedied by an external speaker), and it doesn't have
a sync (only the 2010 did at the time when it first came
out).

Is it a DX-ing wonder like a good tabletop? Hell no,
it's not in that league. But in the league of larger
portables, it was only exceeded in it's day by the
Sony 2010, and I still like it more than most other
portables out there for utility and SSB.

--Mike L.

"Michael Lawson" wrote
Sangean isn't Chinese, it's Taiwanese

Yes, Sangean is a Taiwan based company but like WalMart
all their products are manufactured in mainland China factories.

"tianli" wrote in message
...
"Michael Lawson" wrote
Sangean isn't Chinese, it's Taiwanese

Yes, Sangean is a Taiwan based company but like WalMart
all their products are manufactured in mainland China factories.

Last I heard the 909 is still made in Taiwan.

--Mike L.