Peter Maus wrote:

First of the year, new procedures went into place at the
Canadian border with the US. Installed by Customs on our side,
specifically in reference to items of high technology. Things are
far more complex now, than they were in December. I bought some
equipment in late December from a purveyor in Montreal. An attempt
was made to ship shortly after Jan 1 once all the funds had cleared,
and the paperwork was believed completed. The shipment bounced at
the border due to incomplete paperwork, and had to be resubmitted.
It took nearly 3 weeks just to get all the i's dotted and t's
crossed by the attorneys working for the equipment company just to
get FedEx to take the package. The delivery was finally completed a
week ago.

The package was opened and inspected at the border. Inspected
quite thoroughly, btw.

Now, all this was included in the purchase price, so there was
no additional cost to me, but all the items you present here were on
the duplicate bills of lading that came with the package.

Your recourse would lie in that neither Purolator, nor the
shipper, secured your release concering the additional charges.
Then, again, it may be presumed that, as a party to an international
transaction, you would have been aware of the procedural costs
before you entered into the transaction.

Your chances of recovery are, at best, slim.

Peter,

Where can we obtain all the paper work and details for shipping from
Canada?

Thanks

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Telamon wrote:

In article , dxAce
wrote:

uncle arnie wrote:

Let us know how this turns out. I like to hear these happy stories of
the little guy fighting the evil corporate hegemony.

I prefer to hear stories about the good folks kicking Canada's ass.

That seems to happen in this news group every day.

I prefer that people be tolerant and respectful. But you are right, the
other happens everyday.

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:58:15 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:

Your recourse would lie in that neither Purolator, nor the
shipper, secured your release concering the additional charges.
Then, again, it may be presumed that, as a party to an international
transaction, you would have been aware of the procedural costs
before you entered into the transaction.


I agree.

Your chances of recovery are, at best, slim.

I'd be more optimistic than that.

Brokers have always called me to ask my permission before incurring charges.
I think that is customary.

starman wrote:

Peter Maus wrote:

First of the year, new procedures went into place at the
Canadian border with the US. Installed by Customs on our side,
specifically in reference to items of high technology. Things are
far more complex now, than they were in December. I bought some
equipment in late December from a purveyor in Montreal. An attempt
was made to ship shortly after Jan 1 once all the funds had cleared,
and the paperwork was believed completed. The shipment bounced at
the border due to incomplete paperwork, and had to be resubmitted.
It took nearly 3 weeks just to get all the i's dotted and t's
crossed by the attorneys working for the equipment company just to
get FedEx to take the package. The delivery was finally completed a
week ago.

The package was opened and inspected at the border. Inspected
quite thoroughly, btw.

Now, all this was included in the purchase price, so there was
no additional cost to me, but all the items you present here were on
the duplicate bills of lading that came with the package.

Your recourse would lie in that neither Purolator, nor the
shipper, secured your release concering the additional charges.
Then, again, it may be presumed that, as a party to an international
transaction, you would have been aware of the procedural costs
before you entered into the transaction.

Your chances of recovery are, at best, slim.


Peter,

Where can we obtain all the paper work and details for shipping from
Canada?

Thanks

I didn't handle any of the paperwork, so I can't answer that.
That was all handled on the far end.





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Don Brady wrote:

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:58:15 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:


Your recourse would lie in that neither Purolator, nor the
shipper, secured your release concering the additional charges.
Then, again, it may be presumed that, as a party to an international
transaction, you would have been aware of the procedural costs
before you entered into the transaction.



I agree.


Your chances of recovery are, at best, slim.


I'd be more optimistic than that.

Brokers have always called me to ask my permission before incurring charges.
I think that is customary.




In my own case, I never heard from the broker.


It was all handled on the shipper's end.

Don Brady wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:08:47 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:


In my own case, I never heard from the broker.


It was all handled on the shipper's end.



Yes but your authorization for additional charges was not needed since there
were no additional charges, I gather.






Yes, I believe I've said that.

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:36:20 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:

Don Brady wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:08:47 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:


In my own case, I never heard from the broker.

It was all handled on the shipper's end.

Yes but your authorization for additional charges was not needed since there
were no additional charges, I gather.

Yes, I believe I've said that.

He should have heard from his broker for prior approval since there would be
looking for him to pay.

Don Brady wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:36:20 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:


Don Brady wrote:

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:08:47 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:



In my own case, I never heard from the broker.

It was all handled on the shipper's end.


Yes but your authorization for additional charges was not needed since there
were no additional charges, I gather.


Yes, I believe I've said that.


He should have heard from his broker for prior approval since there would be
looking for him to pay.





As I said, that would be the only source of any recourse.

However, it can be argued, and will be by the shipper and his
carrier, that one entering into an international transaction may be
expected to be, and presumed to be, informed of the process and
procedure, and any procedural fees involved in shipping across the
border. Ignorance being no excuse. Especially in foreign courts.

Since the broker's participation is arranged by the shipper and
his carrier. The broker is contracted to them. Not the recipient. He
has no obligation to the recipient. And as these are established
procedures with attendant fees also established, the broker has no
expectation that the fees will not be paid, again, reasonably
presuming an informed international buyer.

In this case, what is courteous and what is, are two different
things, especially in light of cultural differences between nations
of buyer and seller.

To reiterate my original point, once established procedural fees
are assessed, his chances of recovery after the fact are slim.
Especially, since they are codified in regulation, if not, law.

That's not to say recovery is not possible. It's just highly
improbable. And depends entirely on the generosity of parties involved.

Peter Maus wrote:

Let's cut to the chase here. Why would you want to do business with CanaDuh?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

-=jd=- wrote:

snip
Haven't you heard what Bill Cosby has been railing against (and rightly
so) here of late?

No, I haven't. Don't watch much TV. What's this about?