As a general rule it is a really BAD idea to intrude onto ANY frequency
assigned to hams. We are somewhat protective of our shrinking radio
spectrum and will defend it strongly.
As an example, in 1980 or 81 the "Greatfull Dead" gave a concert in
Rupp Arena. Too bad for them their roadies used 70cM ham HTs to
communicate.
Within minutes they where warned to leave the 70cM hamm band. They
laughed at the hams. A really dumb idea. Every ham in the area with
70cM
radios joined in the fun. We held an series of nets. As the roadies
tried to switch freqs we followed. The concert started very late. They
had to borrow HTs from security to get anything done.
Were our actions illegal jamming?
No.
The intruders had no rights.
If this had been a life or death stituation, hams would have gladly
helped. Around the same time a young lady had her boyfriends HT to
listen to the gang. About 11:00PM she came on and said she felt "real
bad" and couldn't get off the couch to reach the telephone to call
911. We instantly brought up the 911 autopatch, had her explain the
situation. EMS was dispatched and her boy friend was told to head
for the hospital to meet her. The surgeons removed her apendix and
nothing was said about her "illegal" use of
her boy friend's HT. Because it wasn't illegal.
Set up shop on any ham frequency at your own risk.
It might take them a while to locate you.
But keep in mind that a lot of hams love to find low powered, and
sometimes mobile, foxes with transmitters. Compared to the task of
tracking down a fox, an idiot running a stationary high powered signal
is hunting in a baited field.
As another exaple we had a stranger show up on the 76 repeater one
afternoon. Trying to chat with the female IDer. It was clear that he
wasn't a ham, and likely had a stolen rig. We adopted CB handles, but
IDed every 10 minutes with our call letters. This brain trust even
agreed to meet wtih some of us. A cop who was also a ham joined the
party. After some converstion the idoit offered to sell us the "funny"
CB. He brought it in, and it had a set of call letters engraved. A
quick check of the Callbook gave us the owners address. The cop was
able to get his dispatch to track the owner down. And sure enough the
rig had been stolen. His police faxed a copy of the report and the cop
arrested the idiot. And when the searched the car they found a lot of
loot. The theif went away for a long time. Transporting stolen guns and

a trunk full of weed across state lines is a really, extremely bad
idea.
Don't mess with hams unless you are very smart.
Or want to have the FCC visit you some night.
Terry

wrote in message
oups.com...

Set up shop on any ham frequency at your own risk.
It might take them a while to locate you.
But keep in mind that a lot of hams love to find low powered, and
sometimes mobile, foxes with transmitters. Compared to the task of
tracking down a fox, an idiot running a stationary high powered signal
is hunting in a baited field.


Agreed, stay away from the ham bands if you want to pirate. Frankly, I
don't care what you do outside of the ham bands, as long as you're not
interfering with air traffic control comms or safety-of-life channels. But
you'd better know what you're doing when you set up shop on unauthorized
frequencies.

Which the very fact that this guy was located & shut down negates the whole
"the FCC must be turning a blind eye" theory. My question is why did
someone feel it necessary to put the station on the air in the first place?
Well I suppose the FCC will be asking the same questions.

--
Tom Sevart
Frontenac, KS
http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc

"Tom Sevart" wrote
wrote

Set up shop on any ham frequency at your own risk.
It might take them a while to locate you.
But keep in mind that a lot of hams love to find low powered, and
sometimes mobile, foxes with transmitters. Compared to the task of
tracking down a fox, an idiot running a stationary high powered signal
is hunting in a baited field.


Agreed, stay away from the ham bands if you want to pirate. Frankly, I
don't care what you do outside of the ham bands, as long as you're not
interfering with air traffic control comms or safety-of-life channels.
But
you'd better know what you're doing when you set up shop on unauthorized
frequencies.

Which the very fact that this guy was located & shut down negates the
whole
"the FCC must be turning a blind eye" theory. My question is why did
someone feel it necessary to put the station on the air in the first
place?
Well I suppose the FCC will be asking the same questions.

--
Tom Sevart
Frontenac, KS
http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc


Tom, the referenced clown did broadcast deliberate interference on two HF
maritime hailing and distress frequencies. That's more felonies to his
credit, and if records show there was distress traffic anywhere during that
time frame, it could get even worse for him.

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia

Jack Painter wrote:

"Tom Sevart" wrote
wrote

Set up shop on any ham frequency at your own risk.
It might take them a while to locate you.
But keep in mind that a lot of hams love to find low powered, and
sometimes mobile, foxes with transmitters. Compared to the task of
tracking down a fox, an idiot running a stationary high powered signal
is hunting in a baited field.


Agreed, stay away from the ham bands if you want to pirate. Frankly, I
don't care what you do outside of the ham bands, as long as you're not
interfering with air traffic control comms or safety-of-life channels.
But
you'd better know what you're doing when you set up shop on unauthorized
frequencies.

Which the very fact that this guy was located & shut down negates the
whole
"the FCC must be turning a blind eye" theory. My question is why did
someone feel it necessary to put the station on the air in the first
place?
Well I suppose the FCC will be asking the same questions.

--
Tom Sevart
Frontenac, KS
http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc


Tom, the referenced clown did broadcast deliberate interference on two HF
maritime hailing and distress frequencies. That's more felonies to his
credit, and if records show there was distress traffic anywhere during that
time frame, it could get even worse for him.

Which two frequencies would they be?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

-=jd=- wrote:

On Tue 01 Mar 2005 09:57:59a, David Stinson wrote in
message news:Xp%Ud.52822$EL5.2141@trnddc05:


I'm wondering why everyone is being so "hush hush" about it.
Perhaps it has to do with the newly-complicated privacy laws,
but then who knows...

"Hush-hush"?? I can't see how the "Yosemite Sam" broadcaster is/would be
treated any differently than any other illegal broadcaster. Though Y.S.
attracted a lot of attention within the ham and swl community, and it may
be interesting to hear a blow-by-blow, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting
for he FCC to hire "Chief Moose" to give daily updates about another idiot
with a transmitter -- They don't do it for any of the other idiots...

If you want info, you more or less have to scrounge it up yourself. For
starters, google rain report, arrl and the FCC for FCC enforcement logs,
reports & activity. There are other sources out there...

I don't know JD, I don't think he's really into 'sources', he's more into
conspiracies.

dxAce

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...

If you want info, you more or less have to scrounge it up yourself. For
starters, google rain report, arrl and the FCC for FCC enforcement logs,
reports & activity. There are other sources out there...

The FCC's enforcement bureau page is http://www.fcc.gov/eb/ which may have
some information whenever they get around to it and stop worrying about
whether an episode of "Will and Grace" was obscene...


--
Tom Sevart
Frontenac, KS
http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc

The other place to watch is http://www.arrl.org/news/enforcement_logs/


--
Tom Sevart
Frontenac, KS
http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc

oh holy ****! now i am the "tard"! aaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!!!
hey ace. you still havent explained yourself on the "portable" and/or
"tote it" crack. i am a tard, so spell it out to me........ do you base
your self worth and reputation on the value of your rig? the other 90%
of us who chose to "tote it" are tards? if this is what you think then
the ham"s have a name for people like you. APPLIANCE OPERATOR. hell, i
would rather just sit in front of the tv and give up radio forever than
to realise that i was just an APPLIANCE OPERATOR! do you even understand
why that is such a insult? probably not.

Jim wrote:

oh holy ****! now i am the "tard"! aaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!!!
hey ace. you still havent explained yourself on the "portable" and/or
"tote it" crack. i am a tard, so spell it out to me........ do you base
your self worth and reputation on the value of your rig? the other 90%
of us who chose to "tote it" are tards? if this is what you think then
the ham"s have a name for people like you. APPLIANCE OPERATOR. hell, i
would rather just sit in front of the tv and give up radio forever than
to realise that i was just an APPLIANCE OPERATOR! do you even understand
why that is such a insult? probably not.

Having fun, 'tard?

LMAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

running dogg wrote:

Jim wrote:

oh holy ****! now i am the "tard"! aaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!!!
hey ace. you still havent explained yourself on the "portable" and/or
"tote it" crack. i am a tard, so spell it out to me........ do you base
your self worth and reputation on the value of your rig? the other 90%
of us who chose to "tote it" are tards? if this is what you think then
the ham"s have a name for people like you. APPLIANCE OPERATOR. hell, i
would rather just sit in front of the tv and give up radio forever than
to realise that i was just an APPLIANCE OPERATOR! do you even understand
why that is such a insult? probably not.


It doesn't take a whole lot of smarts to operate the typical tabletop,
or even to operate the typical transceiver. The early hams, like in the
1910s and 1920s, THEY were smart. But today? Any moron can pass a simple
test and get a transceiver and raise hell on the amateur bands, as a
couple recent cases of interference chronicled on this group show. 80
years ago, you needed to know a good chunk of radio and electronics
theory to become a ham, THEN you needed to know how to turn a wire coil
from a Ford Model T into a working MW receiver (not as easy as it
looks). Today, we have "Push To Talk". As long as you can pass that
test, you can buy an "appliance" transceiver and the FCC washes their
hands of you unless you take out every repeater within 1000 miles of Los
Angeles. I'm sure there are still smart hams out there. I'm not
attacking you guys. I'm attacking You Know Who who thinks that having
three Drake tabletops makes him Big Man On SW. I notice that he doesn't
even bother to get a ham license, and he thinks he's so smart because he
has an ANALOG world time clock. Whoopee.

I have a General Class license, 'tard boy. Please try to pay attention.

dxAce
Michigan
USA