"jimg" wrote in message
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any opinions about which to buy for dx...
a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods.

thnx
jimg
Oregon
USA

Depends on what kind of listening you want to do. If you want to do serious
DX'ing, I'd recommend the R-75. I also recommend the R-75 for any kind of
utility or ham listening. The R-75 is not a bad receiver for program
listening, but it is not ideal. The stock unmodified am sync is not
effective. The disadvantage being the receiver doesn't give you the
capability to minimize distortion due to signal fade. A simple and
inexpensive and reversible mod can be done on the receiver to greatly
improve that problem. The R8 has a sync detector that works well, but it
does not do as much as the improved ssb selectable am sync on the R8b. The
over all audio quality of an unmodified R-75 is not as good as the R8. The
R8 series is well known for having great audio. Again, you can do a simple
mod on the R-75 to spruce up the audio quality.

I've used both the R8 and the R-75. I've found that the R-75s performance
using ecss in ssb mode in combination with the Icom twin PBT made it the
better receiver for dealing with very weak and messy signals. Using the
same antenna set up, I also found the R-75 to be the more sensative radio in
practic, regardless of how close the written performance specs are on both
the the radiosradios. I'd choose the R-75 over the R8 any day for DX'ing or
utility.

I have a modified R-75 with both the Kiwa sync mod and the audio mod. I use
it with an external speaker too. With those mods and en external speaker, I
can honestly say that it is right up there now with the R8 for program
listening.

In short with just two simple mods and an external speaker the R-75, can do
what the R8 can do, but the R8 cant do what the R-75 can do in the way of
ssb DX'ing and utility.

Michael

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"jimg" wrote in message
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any opinions about which to buy for dx...
a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods.

thnx
jimg
Oregon
USA

Depends on what kind of listening you want to do.

Snip

No it depends on whether you know what you are doing. I'm fed up with
people advising people new to the hobby that this is the radio to get.
This is the wrong radio for them to get unless they have the aptitude
for it. Unless you want to kill the hobby stop recommending this radio
to newbies please.

You can make exceptions for people that are technicians or engineers
that have an understanding of what the radio can do or be modified to do
or are inclined to modify it themselves.

I keep seeing people new to hobby sell the R75 they picked up and leave
the hobby.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Michael" wrote:

"jimg" wrote in message
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any opinions about which to buy for dx...
a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods.

thnx
jimg
Oregon
USA

Depends on what kind of listening you want to do.

Snip

No it depends on whether you know what you are doing. I'm fed up with
people advising people new to the hobby that this is the radio to get.
This is the wrong radio for them to get unless they have the aptitude
for it. Unless you want to kill the hobby stop recommending this radio
to newbies please.

You can make exceptions for people that are technicians or engineers
that have an understanding of what the radio can do or be modified to do
or are inclined to modify it themselves.

I keep seeing people new to hobby sell the R75 they picked up and leave
the hobby.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

You dont need a PhD to operate an R-75. It is no more complicated to use
the an R8. Where are you coming from ???

Michael

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"jimg" wrote in message
...
any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8
or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods.

thnx jimg Oregon USA

Depends on what kind of listening you want to do.

Snip

No it depends on whether you know what you are doing. I'm fed
up with people advising people new to the hobby that this is
the radio to get. This is the wrong radio for them to get
unless they have the aptitude for it. Unless you want to kill
the hobby stop recommending this radio to newbies please.

You can make exceptions for people that are technicians or
engineers that have an understanding of what the radio can do
or be modified to do or are inclined to modify it themselves.

I keep seeing people new to hobby sell the R75 they picked up
and leave the hobby.

-- Telamon Ventura, California

You dont need a PhD to operate an R-75. It is no more
complicated to use the an R8. Where are you coming from ???

Where am I coming from? I coming from seeing someone new to the
hobby buy a R75 then decide the hobby is not for them and
selling it. Then exit the hobby. That's were I'm coming from.


Why would they leave the hobby over an R-75 and not leave over an
R8 ???

If you can't figure that out me amount of explanation from me will
help you.


I see... Running for the cover of a little misdirection, huh ???

Look Mike, I said my piece and you are free to do the same. I'm not
arguing about it on Usenet.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"jimg" wrote in message
...
any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8
or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods.

thnx jimg Oregon USA

Depends on what kind of listening you want to do.

Snip

No it depends on whether you know what you are doing. I'm fed
up with people advising people new to the hobby that this is
the radio to get. This is the wrong radio for them to get
unless they have the aptitude for it. Unless you want to kill
the hobby stop recommending this radio to newbies please.

You can make exceptions for people that are technicians or
engineers that have an understanding of what the radio can do
or be modified to do or are inclined to modify it themselves.

I keep seeing people new to hobby sell the R75 they picked up
and leave the hobby.

-- Telamon Ventura, California

You dont need a PhD to operate an R-75. It is no more
complicated to use the an R8. Where are you coming from ???

Where am I coming from? I coming from seeing someone new to the
hobby buy a R75 then decide the hobby is not for them and
selling it. Then exit the hobby. That's were I'm coming from.


Why would they leave the hobby over an R-75 and not leave over an
R8 ???

If you can't figure that out me amount of explanation from me will
help you.


I see... Running for the cover of a little misdirection, huh ???

Look Mike, I said my piece and you are free to do the same. I'm not
arguing about it on Usenet.


No argument here. Only discussions. I'm still trying to figure out why an
R-75 would make some one quit swl. It isn't a hard receiver to use. I use
one and I am by no means a broadcast engineer. Do you envision people who
haven't had their first table top receiver as idiots and illiterates ??? If
you can use a volume knob and an on/off switch you can use an R-75. In
short, if you've used any portable out there, you can use an R-75. Perhaps
I'm missing something. Can you give reasons for your statement regarding
the R-75 being a reason to quit swl ???

Michael

Michael wrote:


In short with just two simple mods and an external speaker the R-75,
can do what the R8 can do, but the R8 cant do what the R-75 can do in
the way of ssb DX'ing and utility.

Michael

That's just not true. The R8 series has been a favorite of DXers' for
years. There's a reason for that.

--
Brian Denley
http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html

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"Michael" wrote:

"jimg" wrote in message
...
any opinions about which to buy for dx...
a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods.

thnx
jimg
Oregon
USA

Depends on what kind of listening you want to do.

Snip

No it depends on whether you know what you are doing. I'm fed up
with
people advising people new to the hobby that this is the radio to
get.
This is the wrong radio for them to get unless they have the
aptitude
for it. Unless you want to kill the hobby stop recommending this
radio
to newbies please.

You can make exceptions for people that are technicians or
engineers
that have an understanding of what the radio can do or be modified
to
do
or are inclined to modify it themselves.

I keep seeing people new to hobby sell the R75 they picked up and
leave
the hobby.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

You dont need a PhD to operate an R-75. It is no more complicated to
use
the an R8. Where are you coming from ???

Where am I coming from? I coming from seeing someone new to the hobby
buy a R75 then decide the hobby is not for them and selling it. Then
exit the hobby. That's were I'm coming from.


Why would they leave the hobby over an R-75 and not leave over an R8 ???

If you can't figure that out me amount of explanation from me will help
you.


I see... Running for the cover of a little misdirection, huh ???

Michael




Mike save it. That guy is a pure moron and has the brains of a termite and
the personality of a pencil. He doesn't know what he's talking and never
will. Your totally wasting your time with him.

Lucky

"Michael" wrote in message
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"Brian Denley" wrote in message
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Michael wrote:


In short with just two simple mods and an external speaker the R-75,
can do what the R8 can do, but the R8 cant do what the R-75 can do in
the way of ssb DX'ing and utility.

Michael

That's just not true. The R8 series has been a favorite of DXers' for
years. There's a reason for that.

--

Yes, it is true. Indeed the R8 is a great receiver and very popular.
Regardless, the R-75 is a more capable receiver for DX'ing and utility.
The primary reasons for that: The R-75 uses two filters in series and the
R-75 has twin PBT. I have used both receivers. The R-75 is a better
DX'ing rig. I have no stock in ICOM or need to prove it is a better
receiver. I'm just stating facts. Using ECSS in ssb, the R-75 is a prime
DX'ing rig. Nothing against the R8.

Michael


I agree. Nothing for the price can beat it for SSB and Dxing. It's just that
some people are so thick they can't operate it. Not that it's hard, they are
just plain idiots.

Lucky

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"Michael" wrote:

"jimg" wrote in message
...
any opinions about which to buy for dx...
a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods.

thnx
jimg
Oregon
USA

Depends on what kind of listening you want to do.

Snip

No it depends on whether you know what you are doing. I'm fed up
with
people advising people new to the hobby that this is the radio to
get.
This is the wrong radio for them to get unless they have the
aptitude
for it. Unless you want to kill the hobby stop recommending this
radio
to newbies please.

You can make exceptions for people that are technicians or
engineers
that have an understanding of what the radio can do or be modified
to
do
or are inclined to modify it themselves.

I keep seeing people new to hobby sell the R75 they picked up and
leave
the hobby.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

You dont need a PhD to operate an R-75. It is no more complicated to
use
the an R8. Where are you coming from ???

Where am I coming from? I coming from seeing someone new to the hobby
buy a R75 then decide the hobby is not for them and selling it. Then
exit the hobby. That's were I'm coming from.


Why would they leave the hobby over an R-75 and not leave over an R8 ???

If you can't figure that out me amount of explanation from me will help
you.


I see... Running for the cover of a little misdirection, huh ???

Michael




Mike save it. That guy is a pure moron and has the brains of a termite and
the personality of a pencil. He doesn't know what he's talking and never
will. Your totally wasting your time with him.

I get the feeling that you are pure neophyte compared to Telemon...

Keep tuning though, you'll get the hang of it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Lucky

wrote:

I'm curious: How good the R-75's sync is after the Kiwa mod? Is it
comparable to the sync on an R8B or one of the Lowe receivers?

The Kiwa sync' mod' makes the R75 sync' comparable to that on the
original R8 but not the R8B. The latter is how a really good sync'
detector should work.

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