RHF wrote:

DaviD,
.
So now 'you' are advocating open Anarchy against the
US Government and the Killing of our Elected Leaders.
.
wht's next from david of the double 'd's ~ RHF

I believe that advocating violent revolt against the US government is
illegal. Maybe we should bring David's posts to the attention of the
FBI. Of course, *I* would never do that, just to get David off the
newsgroup permanently, but I can't speak for anybody else.


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DaviD

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Michael Lawson" wrote:

"Max Power" wrote in message
...
Voyager probes in funding crisis

Nasa's twin Voyager probes may have to close down in October to
save
money,
the US space agency has said.

Launched in 1977, Voyagers One and Two are now more than 14
billion
and 11
billion km from Earth, respectively.

They are on their final mission to locate the boundary between
the
Sun's
domain and interstellar space.

But the agency's Earth-Sun System division has had to cut its
budget
for
next year from $74m to $53m, meaning that some projects will be
abandoned.

Although the Voyager probes are thought to have another 15 years
of
life
left in them, they are very expensive to run, costing Nasa about
$4.2m a
year for operations and data analysis.

Other missions like Ulysses, which was launched in 1990 to
explore
the Sun's
polar regions, might also have to be abandoned after the end of
the
fiscal
year in October.

Although the decision is not yet final, some Nasa scientists are
preparing
themselves for the worst. Voyager project scientist Edward Stone
of
the
California Institute of Technology told Nature magazine: "We are
currently
developing a plan for shutdown."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...re/4338245.stm

That's not 4.2 mil for the probes themselves, but to perform
monitoring and data analysis. The probes will continue
to transmit until their power is exhausted; it's a matter of
someone listening, examining the data, and storing it. That
is what would be shutdown. No one is going to fly out
to beyond the solar system and shut down the probes or
anything.

To be honest, I'm surprised that NASA was still devoting
money towards Voyager, since they had already succeeded
in their missions.

The science is never finished.

There is a new issue of the solar system passing into a more dense
galactic cloud of dust that can have serious implications for us on
earth. I want the funding to continue the examination of the solar
heliopause.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...=96&e=8&u=/spa
ce/
20050304/sc_space/hugespacecloudsmayhavecausedmassextinctions

The Mission Objective:
http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/interstellar.html

It might not be finished, but as with most funded projects,
there becomes a point of diminishing returns. If this project
were thrown in with all the other DoD and DoE funding
requests, I'd doubt it would have gotten a grant. The
response would have been something like: "Didn't you
finish this already?? We have other projects to fund."

--Mike L.

It took so many years to get to where they are. In another 15 years, they
would be passing through parts of the solar system fringes we will probably
never have access to for decades, if ever. Would be a pity to simply cut
them off and loose our link so far out into space... perhaps they can
consider an automated system to receive and log the data , and to only
trigger human intervention if a pre-determined change in data stream is
detected...

"Michael Lawson" wrote in message
news

"Max Power" wrote in message
...
Voyager probes in funding crisis

Nasa's twin Voyager probes may have to close down in October to save
money,
the US space agency has said.

Launched in 1977, Voyagers One and Two are now more than 14 billion
and 11
billion km from Earth, respectively.

They are on their final mission to locate the boundary between the
Sun's
domain and interstellar space.

But the agency's Earth-Sun System division has had to cut its budget
for
next year from $74m to $53m, meaning that some projects will be
abandoned.

Although the Voyager probes are thought to have another 15 years of
life
left in them, they are very expensive to run, costing Nasa about
$4.2m a
year for operations and data analysis.

Other missions like Ulysses, which was launched in 1990 to explore
the Sun's
polar regions, might also have to be abandoned after the end of the
fiscal
year in October.

Although the decision is not yet final, some Nasa scientists are
preparing
themselves for the worst. Voyager project scientist Edward Stone of
the
California Institute of Technology told Nature magazine: "We are
currently
developing a plan for shutdown."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...re/4338245.stm

That's not 4.2 mil for the probes themselves, but to perform
monitoring and data analysis. The probes will continue
to transmit until their power is exhausted; it's a matter of
someone listening, examining the data, and storing it. That
is what would be shutdown. No one is going to fly out
to beyond the solar system and shut down the probes or
anything.

To be honest, I'm surprised that NASA was still devoting
money towards Voyager, since they had already succeeded
in their missions.

--Mike L.

On 13/03/2005 10:16 PM, RHF wrote:

"Mr. reagan did away with them.
He was a very Unamerican person."
.
NOTE - It is 'former' US President Ronald W Reagan [.]

[Removed cross-post]

I think former presidents are now referred to simply as "President."
The honourific is for life, now. I recall some discussion around this
when the protocol was changed.

On 13 Mar 2005 19:16:05 -0800, "RHF"
wrote:

DaviD,
.
"Mr. reagan did away with them.
He was a very Unamerican person."
.
NOTE - It is 'former' US President Ronald W Reagan [.]
[ May He Rest-In-Pease Amen ]
.
DaviD - So 'you' are to be the "Judge"
of what is American and UN-american !
.
How so typical of a Political Cadre
of the Democrat Party of the USA.
.
Liberal ELITIST - Who believe that 'only' They
have the Right to Sit-in-Judgement of all others.
.
DaviD - If 'you' and the Liberal ELITIST Rule "The World"
. . . Would "The World" be a Better Place ? ? ?
.
beware the one world liberal elitist socialists (owles) ~ RHF
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism
by Lawrence Britt
Spring 2003
Free Inquiry magazine


Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about
fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20).
Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy),
Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt
found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the
identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance
with the magazine's policy.

The 14 characteristics a

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottoes,
slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen
everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.


Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in
fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in
certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way
or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long
incarcerations of prisoners, etc.


Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need
to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or
religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists,
etc.


Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is
given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the
domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are
glamorized.


Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively
male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are
made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and
anti-gay legislation and national policy.


Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in
other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government
regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives.
Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.


Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.


Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in
the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric
and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major
tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's
policies or actions.


Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are
the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a
mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.


Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a
fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or
are severely suppressed .


Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher
education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other
academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts
is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.


Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to
enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses
and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is
often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in
fascist nations.


Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and
associates who appoint each other to government positions and use
governmental power and authority to protect their friends from
accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national
resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright
stolen by government leaders.


Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other
times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even
assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control
voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of
the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to
manipulate or control elections.



Copyright © 2003 Free Inquiry magazine
Reprinted for Fair Use Only.

"David" wrote in message
...


On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:20:44 -0600, "Li Changchun"
wrote:


I see little difference between our system and any other toatlitarian
government.


You obviously haven't traveled much - LOL


You're right. Here we pay people to lie to us. Most places it's
free.

Correct. You do it here daily.

CLVRMNKY,

"David" wrote in message
...
SNIP
I suggest you study-up on your American history before making these
absurd pronouncements about my Patriotism. Blindly following despots
in not in the spirit of the Founding Fathers.

Protest is the highest form of patriotism. Reagan reduced Freedom of
Speech when he allowed broadcasters to censor opinion. Not in the
great tradition of open thought that our country is founded upon.

Look it up.


Protest is not a "form of patriotism." Protest is an act that patriots may
actually do from time to time, but is not in itself patriotism. Protest (or
dissent) that is based on socialist or Marxist principles such as the ones
you continually espouse against the values and freedoms of Americans is at
best "kookery," and most of us see it (and you) as just that.

Not that I want to give you any ideas, but if you decided to picket a
grocery store because they sell Swiss cheese and you don't like anything
Swiss, you would not be a patriot. You'd be a kook. Understand?

Now, it is interesting that you apparently believe that you're now able to
channel "the spirits of our founding fathers," and think that they would
actually support your ludicrous positions.

Unless you had significant amounts of land and property, our founding
fathers didn't think you should be voting. And David, unless I'm way off in
my assessment of your lowly station in life (after all, you're always
wanting to help yourself to the fruits of others' labors through excessive
taxation so you can be provided for through government), they were wise
indeed.

-- Stinger

Might as well have known a canaDUHian (canaDUH outlawed the BIBLE) would
say something like that.That is how canaDUH thinks,that is why canaDUH
is worse than a third world country.
cuhulin