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"AbbN" wrote:

Hi,

"Jim" wrote in message
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On 17 Mar 2005 19:20:59 -0800, wrote:


WTF are you babbling about? Who ever claimed that the S800 was the
"best receiver" and "has no weaknesses"?

I simply performed his "good test". The S800 won. Note - AGAIN -
that I have an original R8 with the double sideband only sync. The
R8B would have performed better, because it's sync is identical to the
S800's - both were designed by Drake you know!

The R8 is simply outdated, having been designed nearly 15 years ago.
The S800 benefits from being designed about 5 years ago. That's all.
No big deal - technology marches on and all that.

The S800 is just the best receiver *I* own. I have loads of radios
here, the S800 is just best that I personally have. I never claimed
it was the "best in the world". I stand by my statement that I would
take an S800 over an R8 - NOT an R8B! OK?

And....

wrote in message
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Well, I say the S800 is far better than the R8B. It's better than any
receiver and therefore immune to all criticism.

I own a Sat-800, Grundig 400PE and DX-398 and my best friend has my DX-394B
(he's "borrowing" it and loves it) and another friend now owns my Grundig
100PE. The Sat-800 here in Canada goes for $600 CDN (I got mine on sale for
$550 over 3 years ago) and the R8B goes for about $2200 (about 3.7x - 4x
more than the Sat-800, depending on how you calculate it).

I certainly believe the R8B to be better than my Sat-800, but not 3.7 to 4
times better.....

You are right. It's 10X better.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

I certainly believe the R8B to be better than my Sat-800, but not 3.7
to 4
times better.....


The van will pick you up tomorrow morning. When the driver and his
attendants enter your home, simply follow their instructions. They're
there to help you. They will remove you to the safety of a Satellit 800
re-education camp.

You're going to be okay now...

Steve

The thing I like about the S800 is that, if you really know how to use
it, you can receive signals before they're even broadcast.

wrote:

The thing I like about the S800 is that, if you really know how to use
it, you can receive signals before they're even broadcast.

I'm hoping to hear Mozambique before they come on again.

That's one country I really screwed up on.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

It's superior in that it fits in my pocket.

I've never used an AOR 7030, unfortunately.

Hi,

Actually I was quite surprised by the performance of my 100PE. I live in a
high rise near downtown here in Windsor and the reception is no great hell.
A few years ago I took the 100PE to the riverfront (a 15 minute walk from
where I live) and was stunned by what it picked vs. what it picked up in our
apartment or even on our balcony. As I'm sure you can guess, the performance
of my 400PE and DX-398 on the riverfront vs. them in my apartment or balcony
produce similar night-and-day differences. I've yet to take my Sat-800 down
there and try
it.

As for my Sat-800, I'm extremely happy with it. I managed to get a "good"
one. Needless to say, it was and still is an extremely mocked/put-down
receiver by this group but that has never bothered me. My DX-394B which I
was also extremely happy with was also highly mocked/put-down as well but
was also never bothered by it. By the way, when I had my DX-394B, I had an
external DSP unit (Radio Shack DSP-40) and a good external speaker hooked up
to it. When I got my Sat-800, I did try it with these but found I really
didn't need them.

My "dream receiver" is actually an NRD-545 DSP but it's pretty pricey here
in Canada.

We all have our own receiver likes, dislikes and $$ budgets and have always
respected than in others. When it comes to SWLing and if you're happy with
what you have and/or it suites your wants and/or desires, who cares what
others may think - I don't and never have.

The DX-394B that I mentioned in my 1st post more than suites my best
friend's SWL needs and desires. The same goes for my other best friend that
has the 100PE - I actually offered him my DX-398 once but prefers the 100PE
(he's also my chiropractor and doesn't charge me for any treatments....which
is why I offered him the DX-398 last year and I won't lie, I'm glad he
turned the 398 down g)

What that saying....ah yes, I remember now, "to each his/her own"....

Take Care
Abb N



"Michael Lawson" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Oh, and by the way, I hope that that "That's why there was an R8B"
crack wasn't intended to suggest that the R8B is comparable in
overall
performance to the S800. The S800 is to the R8B what a WJ100 is to a
Grundig Mini World 100 PE.

And I thought the Mini World 100 PE was the
be-all and end-all of SW receivers.

--Mike L.

"Jim" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:27:17 -0500, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:


Here would be a good test: on 5975, there's our old buddy,
the BBC. On 5980, there's RTV Marocaine (Morocco). On
the occasional days when the BBC isn't running on 5975,
I can listen to Moroccan music on 5980. However, the BBC
simply overwhelms my reception of Marocaine on most
days on my S800. Can an R8/R8A/R8B pull Marocaine out?
That, I don't know, but the tools to do it are there on the
R8's, whereas on the S800, you're rather limited to the sync
and the 6/4/2.3 bandwidths.

The outstanding sync on the S800 eliminates the need for all those
"tools" on the R8. Got a het? Gone with the sync. Splatter
from
a nearby blowtorch? Gone with the sync. The 6/4/2.3 bandwidths
are
identical to the R8's, BTW. The R8 also has 1.8 and .5, which are
pretty much useless except for code, and I don't listen to that.

BTW, the S800 passes your above BBC/Morocco test, in 5 seconds by
pressing a *single button*! The R8 can do it also, but only after
5
minutes of manual knob twiddling.

I know which method *I* prefer. YMMV.

Just to make sure that I wasn't hearing things, I tried
it myself just now. I can get Marocaine in for about
a half a minute before the BBC bleeds in and starts
to overwhelm the sync. There are patches of time
when it is audible over the junk, but then the BBC
simply overwhelms it again. Considering that the
BBC is at s9+20, and Marocaine is somewhere
between S5-S7 (I notice the s-meter bumping up
to S9, but it's in time with the BBC bleedover, not
Marocaine itself), it's not a big surprise.

Can I read it well enough to ID it?? Probably so
if I constantly tinker with the sync, fiddle with trying
ECSS and the attenuator, and lower the filter to 2.3.
If I want to listen to it for more than a minute or so,
however, I'd want a bit more than what the sync alone
can give me. Passband offset would be nice, as would
a good notch and much better front end selectivity.

Is my Sat 800 defective?? No. It's always done this
(it was one of the first Sat 800's out there), and I've
just acknowledged that that's part of the difference
between a $500 radio and a kilobuck radio. Last fall,
I sent my Sat 800 to Drake for a general tuneup, and
with the exception of a couple of caps replaced, it
was fine. Got the Sat 800 back, and it still does the
same thing. That tells me that what I'm asking it to
do is something that it simply has a hard time doing.

--Mike L.