I'm hearing a lot of news with a certain spin that can only come from a
genuine dislike of America. It's subtle, of course, but you have
opinionists from Radio Netherlands for example, comparing George W. Bush,
Condoleeza Rice, and Donald Rumsfeld to Hitler, Himmler, and Goebells.

They obviously cite our pre-emptive war in Iraq, and our war on terror as a
logical means to make these comparisons, yet...

They never mention or debate the justification that the insurgency (I hate
to use that word, because a true insurgency has real numbers behind it.
What these people lack in numbers, they make up for in sheer brutality, and
unrestrained terror.)

The way these news organizations display the situation is that everything
was just fine in Iraq, we went there, and since being there, there's been
nothing but an orgy of destruction.

There is progress being made, and we can debate the war 24/7 if it suits
someone, but the intellectual dishonesty and abusive rhetoric has the
potential to do a lot more damage to international goodwill between Europe
and the U.S. and might eventually be planting the seeds of an alliance
against us.

I'll use Europe giving the Chinese weapons and technology as an example...

Just don't think the TRUTH is being sought, is all. I reserve the right to
be wrong, but I don't know why our credit rating is so bad with the PEOPLE
of Europe. I can only think that would happen because of a propaganda
machine.

DJM

DJM - Who says that Listening to Shortwave Radio
does not produce an Informed Opinion.

I fully agree with that.

Is propaganda truth?

Do the politics of each individual ultimately amount to their individual
truths? I wonder...


"RHF" wrote in message
oups.com...
DJM - Who says that Listening to Shortwave Radio
does not produce an Informed Opinion.
.
the truth will set you free - be free ~ RHF
.
.

Ah, so you noticed this phenomenon also? Glad I am not alone.

What I find especially troubling is the lack of "focus" or criticism,
towards
truly murderous regimes. And the undeserved "friendly" approach to
the worse regime of all time - China.

I am beginning to see that it is all about money. China is a perfect
example.
When companies go global they don't give a damn about human rights,
freedoms and democracy with which they profit from. These companies,
as well as the governments that they must deal with, have an ongoing cozy
relationship in which both parties profit at the expense of the peoples
of each country.

Ex: US publishing & media companies with business interests in China whom
refuse
to publish books or air programming which do not place China under a
"favorable" light.

Ex: European satellite company which cancels contract with a media company
that
broadcasts uncensored Chinese content to the mainland because of pressure
from the Communist Party.

Ex: US hotel which refuses to honor reservations from a religious group
which
is persecuted in China while a high ranking Chinese official stays at a
hotel next
door.

And these are a drop in the bucket. I see the only recourse to this
phenomenon
is to avoid Chines products as much as possible as well as writing letters
to your
congressmen as well as the media, including the BBC as they are included in
the above examples.

The internet is also under attack on both sides
of the "Great Wall". Soon blogs will have a hard time existing because they
have "infringed" on the exclusivity the media deem is theirs in regards to
"information". This will become a dangerous socio-political situation in
the not too distant future if it is not "nipped in the bud".


"Daniel J. Morlan" wrote in message
om...
I'm hearing a lot of news with a certain spin that can only come from a
genuine dislike of America. It's subtle, of course, but you have
opinionists from Radio Netherlands for example, comparing George W. Bush,
Condoleeza Rice, and Donald Rumsfeld to Hitler, Himmler, and Goebells.

They obviously cite our pre-emptive war in Iraq, and our war on terror as
a
logical means to make these comparisons, yet...

They never mention or debate the justification that the insurgency (I hate
to use that word, because a true insurgency has real numbers behind it.
What these people lack in numbers, they make up for in sheer brutality,
and
unrestrained terror.)

The way these news organizations display the situation is that everything
was just fine in Iraq, we went there, and since being there, there's been
nothing but an orgy of destruction.

There is progress being made, and we can debate the war 24/7 if it suits
someone, but the intellectual dishonesty and abusive rhetoric has the
potential to do a lot more damage to international goodwill between Europe
and the U.S. and might eventually be planting the seeds of an alliance
against us.

I'll use Europe giving the Chinese weapons and technology as an example...

Just don't think the TRUTH is being sought, is all. I reserve the right
to
be wrong, but I don't know why our credit rating is so bad with the PEOPLE
of Europe. I can only think that would happen because of a propaganda
machine.

DJM

Go to HELL!!! li changchun****!!!
cuhulin

From: "Daniel J. Morlan"
Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
Reply-To: "Daniel J. Morlan"
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:12:19 GMT
Subject: Observation I've made listening to foreign news...

I'm hearing a lot of news with a certain spin that can only come from a
genuine dislike of America. It's subtle, of course, but you have
opinionists from Radio Netherlands for example, comparing George W. Bush,
Condoleeza Rice, and Donald Rumsfeld to Hitler, Himmler, and Goebells.

(snip)

....Not so subtle.

Are there any news or public affairs programs from foreign countries which
are more neutral or friendly towards the US? I don't usually listen to the
major broadcasters myself, except to check propagation.

Greg

David wrote:

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 05:12:19 GMT, "Daniel J. Morlan"
wrote:

I'm hearing a lot of news with a certain spin that can only come from a
genuine dislike of America. It's subtle, of course, but you have
opinionists from Radio Netherlands for example, comparing George W. Bush,
Condoleeza Rice, and Donald Rumsfeld to Hitler, Himmler, and Goebells.

They obviously cite our pre-emptive war in Iraq, and our war on terror as a
logical means to make these comparisons, yet...

They never mention or debate the justification that the insurgency (I hate
to use that word, because a true insurgency has real numbers behind it.
What these people lack in numbers, they make up for in sheer brutality, and
unrestrained terror.)

The way these news organizations display the situation is that everything
was just fine in Iraq, we went there, and since being there, there's been
nothing but an orgy of destruction.

There is progress being made, and we can debate the war 24/7 if it suits
someone, but the intellectual dishonesty and abusive rhetoric has the
potential to do a lot more damage to international goodwill between Europe
and the U.S. and might eventually be planting the seeds of an alliance
against us.

I'll use Europe giving the Chinese weapons and technology as an example...

Just don't think the TRUTH is being sought, is all. I reserve the right to
be wrong, but I don't know why our credit rating is so bad with the PEOPLE
of Europe. I can only think that would happen because of a propaganda
machine.

DJM

I'm not crazy. It's everyone else. I'm normal.

Keep telling yourself that whilst making sure that you take those meds everyday.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"Daniel J. Morlan" wrote in message
om...
I'm hearing a lot of news with a certain spin that can only come from a
genuine dislike of America. It's subtle, of course, but you have
opinionists from Radio Netherlands for example, comparing George W. Bush,
Condoleeza Rice, and Donald Rumsfeld to Hitler, Himmler, and Goebells.

They obviously cite our pre-emptive war in Iraq, and our war on terror as
a
logical means to make these comparisons, yet...

They never mention or debate the justification that the insurgency (I hate
to use that word, because a true insurgency has real numbers behind it.
What these people lack in numbers, they make up for in sheer brutality,
and
unrestrained terror.)

The way these news organizations display the situation is that everything
was just fine in Iraq, we went there, and since being there, there's been
nothing but an orgy of destruction.

There is progress being made, and we can debate the war 24/7 if it suits
someone, but the intellectual dishonesty and abusive rhetoric has the
potential to do a lot more damage to international goodwill between Europe
and the U.S. and might eventually be planting the seeds of an alliance
against us.

I'll use Europe giving the Chinese weapons and technology as an example...

Just don't think the TRUTH is being sought, is all. I reserve the right
to
be wrong, but I don't know why our credit rating is so bad with the PEOPLE
of Europe. I can only think that would happen because of a propaganda
machine.

DJM



Exactly. Good post Daniel.


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Daniel J. Morlan wrote:

I'm hearing a lot of news with a certain spin that can only come from a
genuine dislike of America. It's subtle, of course, but you have
opinionists from Radio Netherlands for example, comparing George W. Bush,
Condoleeza Rice, and Donald Rumsfeld to Hitler, Himmler, and Goebells.


They didn't make this comparison and explicitly said that. Twice. He (Robert
or Richard Green, not sure which) said that we don't need to hear about the
personal lives of public figures. This was about the controversial Hitler
movie that shows his "human side" - playing right now in Germany. He only
introduced the others to make the same point. It makes no difference to
anyone if George Bush, Tony Blair or Donald Rumsfeld pat their dogs, tell
jokes to children or whatever. He was decrying the tendency to make
celebrity out of politicians and leaders. As if we need to know.

As for America bashing on the world stage, the unilateralism of the USA
during Bush Jr's first term was sufficient to justify it. That "New
American Century" stuff. He's changing this during his second term, but
there's a lot of damage to repair on the world scene. I know half perhaps
of Americans don't care about world opinion (given your past election's
voting patterns), but there you are. And I know that Sept 11 attacks are a
defining moment in your country,taken to justify subsequent decisions,
policy and military intervention. The Sept 11 attacks are taken in context
by the rest of the world and not as an aberration,whether that is right or
wrong is another question. They are seeing things differently. What I
like about SW is i get to understand how others think and feel, whether I
agree or disagree.



They obviously cite our pre-emptive war in Iraq, and our war on terror as
a logical means to make these comparisons, yet...

They never mention or debate the justification that the insurgency (I hate
to use that word, because a true insurgency has real numbers behind it.
What these people lack in numbers, they make up for in sheer brutality,
and unrestrained terror.)

The way these news organizations display the situation is that everything
was just fine in Iraq, we went there, and since being there, there's been
nothing but an orgy of destruction.



There is progress being made, and we can debate the war 24/7 if it suits
someone, but the intellectual dishonesty and abusive rhetoric has the
potential to do a lot more damage to international goodwill between Europe
and the U.S. and might eventually be planting the seeds of an alliance
against us.

I'll use Europe giving the Chinese weapons and technology as an example...

Just don't think the TRUTH is being sought, is all. I reserve the right
to be wrong, but I don't know why our credit rating is so bad with the
PEOPLE
of Europe. I can only think that would happen because of a propaganda
machine.

DJM

"Daniel J. Morlan" wrote in message
om...
I'm hearing a lot of news with a certain spin that can only come from a
genuine dislike of America. It's subtle, of course, but you have
opinionists from Radio Netherlands for example, comparing George W. Bush,
Condoleeza Rice, and Donald Rumsfeld to Hitler, Himmler, and Goebells.

They obviously cite our pre-emptive war in Iraq, and our war on terror as
a
logical means to make these comparisons, yet...

They never mention or debate the justification that the insurgency (I hate
to use that word, because a true insurgency has real numbers behind it.
What these people lack in numbers, they make up for in sheer brutality,
and
unrestrained terror.)

The way these news organizations display the situation is that everything
was just fine in Iraq, we went there, and since being there, there's been
nothing but an orgy of destruction.

There is progress being made, and we can debate the war 24/7 if it suits
someone, but the intellectual dishonesty and abusive rhetoric has the
potential to do a lot more damage to international goodwill between Europe
and the U.S. and might eventually be planting the seeds of an alliance
against us.

I'll use Europe giving the Chinese weapons and technology as an example...

Just don't think the TRUTH is being sought, is all. I reserve the right
to
be wrong, but I don't know why our credit rating is so bad with the PEOPLE
of Europe. I can only think that would happen because of a propaganda
machine.

DJM



There's a good reason why Europe is so anti American. Namely, they hate
America. This may be self evident, but the rest of the world really,
really hates America. Part of it is our superpower status, the fact that
we dominate the world like no empire ever has. We spend more on our
military than all the other countries of the world combined. Plus we
have most of the world's nuclear weapons. The rest of the world feels
like the playing field is tilted, like Bush is using America's power as
a blunt club to run roughshod over everybody else, and that the American
people either don't care or actively support it. The world simply wants
to be treated fairly, but they feel like America does whatever it wants
and the rest of the world be damned, that the giant is raging out of
control. I think that's at the core of terrorism, of Europe making an
alliance with China, of Europeans and Muslims dancing in the streets on
9-11. Another part of it is a difference in viewpoints. The right wing
Christian fundamentalist movement that is so powerful in America does
not exist in Europe. Likewise, few Americans subscribe to the democratic
socialist views so common in Europe. Europe feels like it has more in
common with China than with the US.



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