Shortwave shows, especially the American conspiracy type, rely so much on
implicating one group or another as being in charge of the New World
Order. Catholics this week, Jews the next, Germans, Arabs, Mexicans, and
so forth.

Yesterday, an episode the Twilight Zone came to mind. (I believe it was
the Twilight Zone, half the time my mind is in the Twilight Zone). In the
episode in question, a woman was raped. Of course, she was devastated,
and no matter how much her husband tried to comfort her, she remained
inconsolable. She was obsessed with getting revenge, she wanted to see
the death of the man that violated her.

Her husband, very reluctantly and as a desperate final step, agreed to
help her find the perpetrator, and he would kill him. They set about
driving around the city, looking for the man. Suddenly, she perked up and
said "that's him". Etc. etc. etc. Anyway, after confirming that he was
indeed the rapist, the husband followed him into a parking garage and
shot him dead.

Finally it was over, her husband hoped that she would begin to improve
psychologically, he reassured her that the man was dead and no longer a
concern, and that revenge had been exacted. As they began to drive away
from the scene of the murder, his wife spotted another man and exclaimed
"that's him", and the next man she saw she again said the same.
Obviously, her husband was horrified, as the man that he had just killed
was probably innocent.

These hosts act as if they are the wife in the above story. They see
rapists everywhere. It doesn't matter whether it is Pastor Peters or Alex
Jones, Brother Stair or John Stadtmiller, to them everyone is conspiring.
I wish that they would venture into harmless absurdities once in awhile.
Alex could have a UFOlogist on, John could have a parapsychologist. I've
actually enjoyed a "FEW" of Steve Quayle's more bizarre shows. Even
(shudder!) Jackie Patru has had one or two interesting shows over the
years. But not Alex or John, the same stuff every day, day in and day
out, day in and day out, day in and day out.

I don't believe that the American shortwave stations could survive
without the Patriot shows, 24 hours day of Pastor Peters and Brother
Stair would be too much for the airwaves to bear. I do wish that the
American Shortwave stations would try various forms of programming that
are consistent with their ideologies, but that it in itself is a problem,
as the stations themselves are religious, and the trend is to be offended
by the Easter Bunny, Christmas Trees, you name it. It's not likely that
there is much room for, (I hate this word), "diversity" in programming.
Perhaps some comedy shows would be nice, but no doubt they would find
offense even there.

Too bad, there are more than enough willing ears for the shows.

Dr. Artaud

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:22:34 -0000, "€ Dr. Artaud €"
wrote:
Those guys are just there to justify the pigs calling everyone who
sees a plot kooks.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominion...hronology.html

David wrote in
:

Ah, don't get me wrong, one of my favorite sayings is "just because you're
paranoid doesn't mean that someone isn't after you". It's wonderfully
simple and obviously true. Yet as in the story of "The Boy who Cried Wolf",
when you endeavor to convince people that nearly every group conspires as a
part of the NWO, one can no longer sort fact from fiction, and the talk
shows become more fanatical in appearance.

It's like the National Enquirer, they touch on some valid stories, even
releasing these stories before the mainstream media will touch them, yet
most of the stories are pure fabrication.

This is why I believe that Alex et al. should take a break from the carbon
copy shows that they do from day to day, perhaps dedicating 1 day a week
for, to quote Monty Python, "something a little different". It might
attract new listeners and give the current listeners a break from the
tension that believing that the entire world is one great conspiracy surely
brings.

Regards,

Dr. Artaud

Those guys are just there to justify the pigs calling everyone who
sees a plot kooks.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:22:34 -0000, "€ Dr. Artaud €"
wrote:
The Neo-Conservative Connection with Dominionists and Machiavelli





I suspect that most Americans have never heard of Machiavelli,
nevertheless, it should be no surprise to us that Machiavelli has been
accepted, praised, and followed by the Neo-Conservatives in the White
House and his precepts are blindly adopted by the so-called
“Christian” Dominionists. Kevin Phillips tells us in his masterful
book, American Dynasty that Karl Rove, political strategist for
President George W. Bush, is a devotee of Machiavelli, just as Rove’s
predecessor, Lee A****er had been for the elder Bush.[26] In fact,
there has been an incredible effort to dilute the immoral implications
of Machiavelli’s teachings. Today’s best apologist for Machiavelli is
one of the most influential voices in Washington with direct
connections into the oval office.



Michael A. Ledeen was a Senior Fellow with the Center for Strategic
and International Studies and a counselor to the National Security
Council and special counselor to former Secretary of State, Alexander
Haig in 1985. His relationship with Pat Robertson goes back at least
to the early 1980’s.[27] Like Robertson, Ledeen was an advocate for
military intervention in Nicaragua and for assistance to the Contras.
(Ledeen was also involved in the Iran-Contra affair.)[28]



Today, in 2004, Michael Ledeen is a fellow at the conservative think
tank, the American Enterprise Institute and according to William O.
Beeman of the Pacific News Service, “Ledeen has become the driving
philosophical force behind the neoconservative movement and the
military actions it has spawned.”[29]



Ledeen made a number of appearances on the 700 Club show during the
1980’s. Always presented as a distinguished guest, Robertson
interviewed him on April 30, 1985 and asked him on this occasion:
“What would you recommend if you were going to advise the President
[Ronald Reagan] as to foreign policy?”



Ledeen responded:





“The United States has to make clear to the world and above all to its
own citizens, what our vital interests are. And then we must make it
clear to everyone that we are prepared to fight and fight fiercely to
defend those interests, so that people will not cross the lines that
are likely to kick off a trip wire.” (Emphasis added.)





If Ledeen’s advice sounds ruthless and Machiavellian—it may be because
it is Machiavellian. (By definition his statement presupposes the
existence of something or several things that are life threatening to
the nation by the use of the word “vital.” Yet Ledeen asserts that
which is life threatening must be made manifest or defined. If an
interest must be defined, then it is not apparent; yet the nation will
nevertheless ask its sons and daughters to fight and die for something
that is not apparent. Therefore, whatever “interests” Ledeen wanted to
be defined, cannot have been vital interests, which are apparent—so in
reality he advised the President to call discretionary interests
vital—which is a lie.)



Be aware that Ledeen is in complete accord with Machiavellian
thinking. And so is Pat Robertson.[30] Robertson agreed to virtually
every nuance Ledeen presented. In fact, it’s not clear which of the
two first proposed invading Syria, Iran and Iraq back in the
1980’s,[31] a refrain that also echoed in the reports of the Project
for the New American Century (PNAC), one of the major homes for
neo-conservatives in 2000. Both Ledeen and Robertson targeted the same
nations that PNAC lists as America’s greatest enemies in its paper,
“Rebuilding America’s Defenses” (published in September 2000.)[32]



In 1999, Ledeen published his book, Machiavelli on Modern Leadership:
Why Machiavelli’s Iron Rules Are as Timely and Important Today as Five
Centuries Ago. (Truman Talley Books, St. Martin’s Griffin, N.Y. 1999.)
Here is a sample of how Ledeen smoothes rough edges and presents a
modern Machiavelli:





“In order to achieve the most noble accomplishments, the leader may
have to ‘enter into evil.’ This is the chilling insight that has made
Machiavelli so feared, admired, and challenging. It is why we are
drawn to him still…” (p. 91)





Again, Ledeen writes:





“Just as the quest for peace at any price invites war and, worse than
war, defeat and domination, so good acts sometimes advance the triumph
of evil, as there are circumstances when only doing evil ensures the
victory of a good cause.” (p. 93)





Ledeen clearly believes “the end justifies the means,” but not all the
time. He writes “Lying is evil,” but then contradictorily argues that
it produced





“a magnificent result,” and “is essential to the survival of nations
and to the success of great enterprises.” (p. 95)





Ledeen adds this tidbit:





“All’s fair in war . . . and in love. Practicing deceit to fulfill
your heart’s desire might be not only legitimate, but delicious!” (p.
95)







William O. Beeman tells us about Michael Ledeen’s influence. Writing
for the Pacific News Service he says:





“Ledeen’s ideas are repeated daily by such figures as Richard Cheney,
Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz…He basically believes that violence
in the service of the spread of democracy is America’s manifest
destiny. Consequently, he has become the philosophical legitimator of
the American occupation of Iraq.”[33]





In fact, Ledeen’s influence goes even further. The BBC, the Washington
Post and Jim Lobe writing for the Asia Times report that Michael
Ledeen is the only full-time international affairs analyst consulted
by Karl Rove.[34] Ledeen has regular conversations with Rove. The
Washington Post said, “More than once, Ledeen has seen his ideas faxed
to Rove, become official policy or rhetoric.”[35]

David wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:22:34 -0000, "=80 Dr. Artaud =80"
wrote:
The Neo-Conservative Connection with Dominionists and Machiavelli


..=2E............................................. ..........................=
..=2E.....
"To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail." anon

Very interesting. this is why we subscribe to rec.radio.shortwave.

Do you have a radio?

Greg

From: David
Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:04:44 GMT
Subject: The Twilight Zone

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:22:34 -0000, "€ Dr. Artaud €"
wrote:
The Neo-Conservative Connection with Dominionists and Machiavelli





I suspect that most Americans have never heard of Machiavelli,
nevertheless, it should be no surprise to us that Machiavelli has been
accepted, praised, and followed by the Neo-Conservatives in the White
House and his precepts are blindly adopted by the so-called
“Christian” Dominionists. Kevin Phillips tells us in his masterful
book, American Dynasty that Karl Rove, political strategist for
President George W. Bush, is a devotee of Machiavelli, just as Rove’s
predecessor, Lee A****er had been for the elder Bush.[26] In fact,
there has been an incredible effort to dilute the immoral implications
of Machiavelli’s teachings. Today’s best apologist for Machiavelli is
one of the most influential voices in Washington with direct
connections into the oval office.



Michael A. Ledeen was a Senior Fellow with the Center for Strategic
and International Studies and a counselor to the National Security
Council and special counselor to former Secretary of State, Alexander
Haig in 1985. His relationship with Pat Robertson goes back at least
to the early 1980’s.[27] Like Robertson, Ledeen was an advocate for
military intervention in Nicaragua and for assistance to the Contras.
(Ledeen was also involved in the Iran-Contra affair.)[28]



Today, in 2004, Michael Ledeen is a fellow at the conservative think
tank, the American Enterprise Institute and according to William O.
Beeman of the Pacific News Service, “Ledeen has become the driving
philosophical force behind the neoconservative movement and the
military actions it has spawned.”[29]



Ledeen made a number of appearances on the 700 Club show during the
1980’s. Always presented as a distinguished guest, Robertson
interviewed him on April 30, 1985 and asked him on this occasion:
“What would you recommend if you were going to advise the President
[Ronald Reagan] as to foreign policy?”



Ledeen responded:





“The United States has to make clear to the world and above all to its
own citizens, what our vital interests are. And then we must make it
clear to everyone that we are prepared to fight and fight fiercely to
defend those interests, so that people will not cross the lines that
are likely to kick off a trip wire.” (Emphasis added.)





If Ledeen’s advice sounds ruthless and Machiavellian—it may be because
it is Machiavellian. (By definition his statement presupposes the
existence of something or several things that are life threatening to
the nation by the use of the word “vital.” Yet Ledeen asserts that
which is life threatening must be made manifest or defined. If an
interest must be defined, then it is not apparent; yet the nation will
nevertheless ask its sons and daughters to fight and die for something
that is not apparent. Therefore, whatever “interests” Ledeen wanted to
be defined, cannot have been vital interests, which are apparent—so in
reality he advised the President to call discretionary interests
vital—which is a lie.)



Be aware that Ledeen is in complete accord with Machiavellian
thinking. And so is Pat Robertson.[30] Robertson agreed to virtually
every nuance Ledeen presented. In fact, it’s not clear which of the
two first proposed invading Syria, Iran and Iraq back in the
1980’s,[31] a refrain that also echoed in the reports of the Project
for the New American Century (PNAC), one of the major homes for
neo-conservatives in 2000. Both Ledeen and Robertson targeted the same
nations that PNAC lists as America’s greatest enemies in its paper,
“Rebuilding America’s Defenses” (published in September 2000.)[32]



In 1999, Ledeen published his book, Machiavelli on Modern Leadership:
Why Machiavelli’s Iron Rules Are as Timely and Important Today as Five
Centuries Ago. (Truman Talley Books, St. Martin’s Griffin, N.Y. 1999.)
Here is a sample of how Ledeen smoothes rough edges and presents a
modern Machiavelli:





“In order to achieve the most noble accomplishments, the leader may
have to ‘enter into evil.’ This is the chilling insight that has made
Machiavelli so feared, admired, and challenging. It is why we are
drawn to him still…” (p. 91)





Again, Ledeen writes:





“Just as the quest for peace at any price invites war and, worse than
war, defeat and domination, so good acts sometimes advance the triumph
of evil, as there are circumstances when only doing evil ensures the
victory of a good cause.” (p. 93)





Ledeen clearly believes “the end justifies the means,” but not all the
time. He writes “Lying is evil,” but then contradictorily argues that
it produced





“a magnificent result,” and “is essential to the survival of nations
and to the success of great enterprises.” (p. 95)





Ledeen adds this tidbit:





“All’s fair in war . . . and in love. Practicing deceit to fulfill
your heart’s desire might be not only legitimate, but delicious!” (p.
95)







William O. Beeman tells us about Michael Ledeen’s influence. Writing
for the Pacific News Service he says:





“Ledeen’s ideas are repeated daily by such figures as Richard Cheney,
Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz…He basically believes that violence
in the service of the spread of democracy is America’s manifest
destiny. Consequently, he has become the philosophical legitimator of
the American occupation of Iraq.”[33]





In fact, Ledeen’s influence goes even further. The BBC, the Washington
Post and Jim Lobe writing for the Asia Times report that Michael
Ledeen is the only full-time international affairs analyst consulted
by Karl Rove.[34] Ledeen has regular conversations with Rove. The
Washington Post said, “More than once, Ledeen has seen his ideas faxed
to Rove, become official policy or rhetoric.”[35]

Bro. Stair probably secretly funded by the Bush admin. as a faith-based
ministry. Isn't he an alternative Voice of America? Don't you think
he teaches foreigners a lot about Americans?

Hudley Pearse

wrote:

Bro. Stair probably secretly funded by the Bush admin. as a faith-based
ministry.

Gee... did Clinton fund him prior to Bush, or did he just go without for 8
years?

dxAce
Michigan
USA