Colin Campbell wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:56:21 GMT, m II wrote:

wrote:

DU does not atomize. Recent research suggests that the particles of DU
when pulverized by such actions a armor impacts are too large to be
retained in the human body for any appreciable time and will be
rejected. If so, there is little or no danger that DU will build up in
a human even with repeated exposures.




http://www.firethistime.org/extremedeformities.htm

How about something from a website that is based on something other
than BS?

(Hint: compare the NIOSH safety information for DU and note those
pictures do not match the known human health effects of DU.)

Well, I guess that there are fools everywhere who are fooled by
politically-motivated BS and a picture.

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The NIOSH IDLH (immediately dangerous to life and health) level is only 10
mg/L and PELs are only about 0.25 mg/L. I compared the NIOSH safety
information and it shows the problems listed for human and animal exposure and
NOT for fetal exposure. Low-level radiation exposure can certainly cause a
number of birth defects. Folate deficiency can explain some of the photos
especially those involving neural tube defects.

JB

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Depleted Uranium Tank Ammunition sharpens upon impact and also self
ignites (very high heat) causing atomized particles which carry far and
wide in the air and that stuff gets into body tissues and body organs
and lungs.There are some Depleted Uranium contaminated Tanks in Kansas
sitting out in open areas and kids have been playing on those Tanks.I
think it was at www.rense.com (scroll down the middle isle at
rense.com) where I read an article about that earlier this week.
cuhulin

You descrbe a pyrophoric reaction. I knwo about it. However, as I've
already said, teh research I've seen suggests that it does not atomize.
That the partilces that do result do get into lungs and other organs,
but are too large to be retained.

John Barnard wrote:
Colin Campbell wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:56:21 GMT, m II wrote:

wrote:

DU does not atomize. Recent research suggests that the particles of DU
when pulverized by such actions a armor impacts are too large to be
retained in the human body for any appreciable time and will be
rejected. If so, there is little or no danger that DU will build up in
a human even with repeated exposures.




http://www.firethistime.org/extremedeformities.htm

How about something from a website that is based on something other
than BS?

(Hint: compare the NIOSH safety information for DU and note those
pictures do not match the known human health effects of DU.)

Well, I guess that there are fools everywhere who are fooled by
politically-motivated BS and a picture.

--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

The NIOSH IDLH (immediately dangerous to life and health) level is only 10
mg/L and PELs are only about 0.25 mg/L. I compared the NIOSH safety
information and it shows the problems listed for human and animal exposure and
NOT for fetal exposure. Low-level radiation exposure can certainly cause a
number of birth defects. Folate deficiency can explain some of the photos
especially those involving neural tube defects.


DU is primarilly an alpha emitter.

To expose a feuts, you'll have to get the DU into the uterus.

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What's that rto mean?
cuhulin

Radio Telephone Operator

I don't know if it is really an anology to DU Tank rounds/Ammunition,but
I know SABOT Tank rounds create a jet flame like a very hot cutting
torch just before they strike the side of a Tank.That creates a hole in
the side of the Tank for the round,which is about the same size as a
silver dollar,to enter the Tank and cause all kinds of damage.I am not
an expert on DU Tank Ammunition and other types of DU Ammunition because
that didn't exist when I went to Armor Ammunition School at Fort
Knox,Kentucky in 1963.An article says DU Ammunition self sharpens and
gets very hot upon impact with whatever.There are vapors created and
that stuff gets inside of peoples bodies.
cuhulin

John Barnard wrote:
wrote:
Carter-K8VT wrote:
wrote:

DU does not atomize.

That was the original thinking. Studies have since shown that DU
particles become small enough to become wind borne and have been found
up to 25 miles from the impact site.

Recent research suggests that the particles of DU
when pulverized by such actions a armor impacts are too large to be
retained in the human body for any appreciable time and will be
rejected. If so, there is little or no danger that DU will build up in
a human even with repeated exposures.

Also not true. The latest studies *have* found significant amounts of DU
retained in humans.

This is someting I've been trying to follow. Can you offer a poiner to
a study or a sory about it?

Failing that, do you know how long between exposure and measuring the
DU in the system?

This may help with what you want:

Biokinetic modeling of uranium in man after injection and ingestion
Radiat Environ Biophys. 2005 May;44(1):29-40. Epub 2005 Apr 14

The original subject was how the DU gets from our bullets buried deep
in the sands of the desert to the innards of humans. He wanted to know
how long it takes from the bullet hitting the sand to the DU appearing
in some humans' innards. You listed an article whose title alone tells
us it's not relevant.

As simply as I can phrase the question: how does the DU get from the
bullet deep in the sand of Iraq to the innards of humans?

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Colin Campbell wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:41:54 GMT, John Barnard wrote:

Now consider just how much 0.25 mg/L is. And ask yourself - exactly
where will it be possible to find areas in Iraq where human exposures
are this high?

Even if every gram of DU fired in Iraq was atomized - do the math and
see how low the exposures would be after dispersal.


You have no clue of how little 250 micrograms is, do you?

Yes I do.

Did you do the math like I suggested?

--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

And try reading the material in the following site. Your math fails in the
face of empirical evidence!

http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/document.asp?id=1431

JB

Colin Campbell wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:40:48 GMT, John Barnard wrote:

Yep,

It doesn't matter if it comes from ingestion or inhalation once it gets into the
body, it can still cause quite a bit of damage. It doesn't have to cross the
placental barrier to cause damage. The early-stages of development are fairly
sensitive to radiation and teratogens.

First question is:

Will it actually cross the placental barrier?

and the second question is - just how high a dose does the mother need
to get enough to cause this? (And is it realistic to believe that she
could have gotten this dose?)

Basically - you have no idea what you are talking about and are simply
making things up.

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There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

Ignoring the potential radiological effects, the chemical toxicity is
well-documented. You can't ignore the data on the matter.

Check out : http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/document.asp?id=1431

Read through the annexes and take a look at the data.

JB

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:38:03 GMT, John Barnard wrote:


Ignoring the potential radiological effects, the chemical toxicity is
well-documented. You can't ignore the data on the matter.

Check out : http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/document.asp?id=1431

Yes, it has a similar human health hazard to that of metallic lead.

I am still waiting for some evidence that DU dust is suspended in the
atmosphere.



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No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

I dont know much about DU,but I do believe it is dangerous to humans and
animals.I would think the DU dust does settle down onto the ground and
most everything else too and the winds do carry it far and
wide,including getting into the water.When I was in boot camp at Fort
Gordon,Georgia,we trained with the old WW II/Korea era M-1 Garand
Rifles.One day we praticed firing dummy SABOT rounds with the Rifles.An
odd looking device that fits onto the Rifles and the device holds the
SABOT rounds onto the Rifles and you have to hold those Rifles with the
SABOT rounds attached to them in a certain way or they will knock the
crap out of you.
cuhulin