R Lee gets on that show often.I think more tho when
Gary was still on the show.Bill
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WLS 890, Chicago currently has a remote broadcast of the Roe Conn show
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2000-2400

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Michigan
USA

Bill Carter wrote:

R Lee gets on that show often.I think more tho when
Gary was still on the show.Bill

Yeah, Garry Meier shot himself in the foot with his contract negotiations.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


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WLS 890, Chicago currently has a remote broadcast of the Roe Conn show
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2000-2400

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Michigan
USA

dxAce wrote:

Bill Carter wrote:

R Lee gets on that show often.I think more tho when
Gary was still on the show.Bill

Yeah, Garry Meier shot himself in the foot with his contract negotiations.


Actually, the previous manglement shot that one in the face. During
the previous contract negotiations, the General Mangler pulled Meier
unceremoniously off the air, cleaned out his office and sent him
packing, until the negotiations were over.

This last time, as he did the previous contract, he'd signed a letter
of agreement to return to WLS...in essence a contract of good faith,
that it was his intention to come to satisfactory terms with WLS. An
agreement to agree, as it were. With a number of weeks remaining on the
contract and with fruitful negotiations closing in on an agreement, the
General Mangler met Garry after a show, and showed him the door, with
the intent of accelerating the process, due to what has now known to be
the GM's imminent exit from the station. He wanted it done, so he could
leave.

The way Garry was pulled off the air this time was more than enough
reason to never return. I know I've walked out for far less. What
followed were a series exchanges that were bitter on Garry's side, and
hostile on Manglement's.

And with Roe and Garry dominating the market in all desireable
demographics, Garry, and rightfully so, believed that market value for
the show was dramatically higher than they were being offered. After
all, Erich Muller was ranking barely in the top 20 at Q101, and he was
pulling $3 million a year, presyndication. The offer for Roe and Garry
(negotiated separately, too, btw) for a long term contract was barely a
recognizable fraction of that. And with the ongoing effronts by
Manglement and the unecessarily hostile way Garry was treated, he opted
not to return to WLS.

I've got to say, I don't blame him. I've turned down offers as good
for far less reason than Garry had going into this one.

Now, there were some issues where he was a bit over the top. But
that's true in nearly every contract negotiation...Jay Leno's Tonight
Show negotiation being a notable exception. In general, Garry was asking
for less than other talents with far poorer track records, and taking
far more **** for it.





dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
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WLS 890, Chicago currently has a remote broadcast of the Roe Conn show
going
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2000-2400

dxAce
Michigan
USA

D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Bill Carter wrote:

R Lee gets on that show often.I think more tho when
Gary was still on the show.Bill

Yeah, Garry Meier shot himself in the foot with his contract negotiations.


Actually, the previous manglement shot that one in the face. During
the previous contract negotiations, the General Mangler pulled Meier
unceremoniously off the air, cleaned out his office and sent him
packing, until the negotiations were over.

This last time, as he did the previous contract, he'd signed a letter
of agreement to return to WLS...in essence a contract of good faith,
that it was his intention to come to satisfactory terms with WLS. An
agreement to agree, as it were. With a number of weeks remaining on the
contract and with fruitful negotiations closing in on an agreement, the
General Mangler met Garry after a show, and showed him the door, with
the intent of accelerating the process, due to what has now known to be
the GM's imminent exit from the station. He wanted it done, so he could
leave.

The way Garry was pulled off the air this time was more than enough
reason to never return. I know I've walked out for far less. What
followed were a series exchanges that were bitter on Garry's side, and
hostile on Manglement's.

And with Roe and Garry dominating the market in all desireable
demographics, Garry, and rightfully so, believed that market value for
the show was dramatically higher than they were being offered. After
all, Erich Muller was ranking barely in the top 20 at Q101, and he was
pulling $3 million a year, presyndication. The offer for Roe and Garry
(negotiated separately, too, btw) for a long term contract was barely a
recognizable fraction of that. And with the ongoing effronts by
Manglement and the unecessarily hostile way Garry was treated, he opted
not to return to WLS.

I've got to say, I don't blame him. I've turned down offers as good
for far less reason than Garry had going into this one.

Now, there were some issues where he was a bit over the top. But
that's true in nearly every contract negotiation...Jay Leno's Tonight
Show negotiation being a notable exception. In general, Garry was asking
for less than other talents with far poorer track records, and taking
far more **** for it.

Well it was a reported 5 year guaranteed contract worth around $7 million...
nothing to sneeze at.

Now he's got what...?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:
Bill Carter wrote:

R Lee gets on that show often.I think more tho when
Gary was still on the show.Bill
Yeah, Garry Meier shot himself in the foot with his contract negotiations.

Actually, the previous manglement shot that one in the face. During
the previous contract negotiations, the General Mangler pulled Meier
unceremoniously off the air, cleaned out his office and sent him
packing, until the negotiations were over.

This last time, as he did the previous contract, he'd signed a letter
of agreement to return to WLS...in essence a contract of good faith,
that it was his intention to come to satisfactory terms with WLS. An
agreement to agree, as it were. With a number of weeks remaining on the
contract and with fruitful negotiations closing in on an agreement, the
General Mangler met Garry after a show, and showed him the door, with
the intent of accelerating the process, due to what has now known to be
the GM's imminent exit from the station. He wanted it done, so he could
leave.

The way Garry was pulled off the air this time was more than enough
reason to never return. I know I've walked out for far less. What
followed were a series exchanges that were bitter on Garry's side, and
hostile on Manglement's.

And with Roe and Garry dominating the market in all desireable
demographics, Garry, and rightfully so, believed that market value for
the show was dramatically higher than they were being offered. After
all, Erich Muller was ranking barely in the top 20 at Q101, and he was
pulling $3 million a year, presyndication. The offer for Roe and Garry
(negotiated separately, too, btw) for a long term contract was barely a
recognizable fraction of that. And with the ongoing effronts by
Manglement and the unecessarily hostile way Garry was treated, he opted
not to return to WLS.

I've got to say, I don't blame him. I've turned down offers as good
for far less reason than Garry had going into this one.

Now, there were some issues where he was a bit over the top. But
that's true in nearly every contract negotiation...Jay Leno's Tonight
Show negotiation being a notable exception. In general, Garry was asking
for less than other talents with far poorer track records, and taking
far more **** for it.

Well it was a reported 5 year guaranteed contract worth around $7 million...
nothing to sneeze at.

Now he's got what...?


Actually the figures were for the combined show. $7 for five years
for THE number one rated show when an #20 talent is making $3million a
year is an inequity at best. Believe me, the money was there to pay them
what they're worth.

But the money was less a consideration than the abuse he had taken
and was taking from manglement.

Like I said, I've walked out for far less, with more on the table.

What he's got now is less than he'd hoped for. What he'd have if he'd
returned was something he didn't want at all.

There's not enough money to make that worthwhile.





dxAce
Michigan
USA

D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:
Bill Carter wrote:

R Lee gets on that show often.I think more tho when
Gary was still on the show.Bill
Yeah, Garry Meier shot himself in the foot with his contract negotiations.

Actually, the previous manglement shot that one in the face. During
the previous contract negotiations, the General Mangler pulled Meier
unceremoniously off the air, cleaned out his office and sent him
packing, until the negotiations were over.

This last time, as he did the previous contract, he'd signed a letter
of agreement to return to WLS...in essence a contract of good faith,
that it was his intention to come to satisfactory terms with WLS. An
agreement to agree, as it were. With a number of weeks remaining on the
contract and with fruitful negotiations closing in on an agreement, the
General Mangler met Garry after a show, and showed him the door, with
the intent of accelerating the process, due to what has now known to be
the GM's imminent exit from the station. He wanted it done, so he could
leave.

The way Garry was pulled off the air this time was more than enough
reason to never return. I know I've walked out for far less. What
followed were a series exchanges that were bitter on Garry's side, and
hostile on Manglement's.

And with Roe and Garry dominating the market in all desireable
demographics, Garry, and rightfully so, believed that market value for
the show was dramatically higher than they were being offered. After
all, Erich Muller was ranking barely in the top 20 at Q101, and he was
pulling $3 million a year, presyndication. The offer for Roe and Garry
(negotiated separately, too, btw) for a long term contract was barely a
recognizable fraction of that. And with the ongoing effronts by
Manglement and the unecessarily hostile way Garry was treated, he opted
not to return to WLS.

I've got to say, I don't blame him. I've turned down offers as good
for far less reason than Garry had going into this one.

Now, there were some issues where he was a bit over the top. But
that's true in nearly every contract negotiation...Jay Leno's Tonight
Show negotiation being a notable exception. In general, Garry was asking
for less than other talents with far poorer track records, and taking
far more **** for it.

Well it was a reported 5 year guaranteed contract worth around $7 million...
nothing to sneeze at.

Now he's got what...?

Actually the figures were for the combined show. $7 for five years
for THE number one rated show when an #20 talent is making $3million a
year is an inequity at best. Believe me, the money was there to pay them
what they're worth.

But the money was less a consideration than the abuse he had taken
and was taking from manglement.

Like I said, I've walked out for far less, with more on the table.

Where did you work?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:

dxAce wrote:
Bill Carter wrote:

R Lee gets on that show often.I think more tho when
Gary was still on the show.Bill
Yeah, Garry Meier shot himself in the foot with his contract negotiations.

Actually, the previous manglement shot that one in the face. During
the previous contract negotiations, the General Mangler pulled Meier
unceremoniously off the air, cleaned out his office and sent him
packing, until the negotiations were over.

This last time, as he did the previous contract, he'd signed a letter
of agreement to return to WLS...in essence a contract of good faith,
that it was his intention to come to satisfactory terms with WLS. An
agreement to agree, as it were. With a number of weeks remaining on the
contract and with fruitful negotiations closing in on an agreement, the
General Mangler met Garry after a show, and showed him the door, with
the intent of accelerating the process, due to what has now known to be
the GM's imminent exit from the station. He wanted it done, so he could
leave.

The way Garry was pulled off the air this time was more than enough
reason to never return. I know I've walked out for far less. What
followed were a series exchanges that were bitter on Garry's side, and
hostile on Manglement's.

And with Roe and Garry dominating the market in all desireable
demographics, Garry, and rightfully so, believed that market value for
the show was dramatically higher than they were being offered. After
all, Erich Muller was ranking barely in the top 20 at Q101, and he was
pulling $3 million a year, presyndication. The offer for Roe and Garry
(negotiated separately, too, btw) for a long term contract was barely a
recognizable fraction of that. And with the ongoing effronts by
Manglement and the unecessarily hostile way Garry was treated, he opted
not to return to WLS.

I've got to say, I don't blame him. I've turned down offers as good
for far less reason than Garry had going into this one.

Now, there were some issues where he was a bit over the top. But
that's true in nearly every contract negotiation...Jay Leno's Tonight
Show negotiation being a notable exception. In general, Garry was asking
for less than other talents with far poorer track records, and taking
far more **** for it.
Well it was a reported 5 year guaranteed contract worth around $7 million...
nothing to sneeze at.

Now he's got what...?
Actually the figures were for the combined show. $7 for five years
for THE number one rated show when an #20 talent is making $3million a
year is an inequity at best. Believe me, the money was there to pay them
what they're worth.

But the money was less a consideration than the abuse he had taken
and was taking from manglement.

Like I said, I've walked out for far less, with more on the table.

Where did you work?


I've been in Radio and TV since I was six. I've worked at and run
stations throughout the Midwest and the Deep South. Finally pulled the
plug after 11 1/2 years at CBS Radio in Chicago, because I couldn't
stomach where the company was taking Radio.

Now, doing basically whatever I want for a living. Some days it's
shooting pictures hanging out of a JetRanger over the Lakeshore,
sometimes doing voiceovers for the networks, or producing for a variety
of businesses. Not nearly the money I was making at CBS, at least not
yet, but I do ok.





dxAce
Michigan
USA

Well I wonder where Gary is now. I hated it when he split with Steve D.
Roe and Gary was a really good show. I thought they
could have gotten whatever they wanted.Don and Roma was gone during
their negotiations recently.Bill

sapper wrote:

Well I wonder where Gary is now.

Apparently still 'retired'. Roe mentioned on the show earlier that Garry was
still available, as was the money.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

sapper wrote:
Well I wonder where Gary is now. I hated it when he split with Steve D.
Roe and Gary was a really good show. I thought they
could have gotten whatever they wanted.Don and Roma was gone during
their negotiations recently.Bill


He did an on air audtion at a station in LA a few weeks ago.