"MnMikew" wrote in message
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"dxAce" wrote in message
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You sound like the atypical code snob Steve.

Nothing snobbish about it at all.

Getting rid of the code req. is
the best thing the FCC has done in a long time.

I suppose it is for those who are unwilling to learn it!

You seem to have this idea that no-code hams are somehow "dumber" that
ones
who know it.

A large number are. What challenge is there to getting a ham license when
the test pool questions are available to anyone that wants them, and all
they have to do is memorize the answers? I actually had to know something
about what I was doing to get my license. I started like most with a Novice
ticket and 5WPM code. I taught it to myself by writing a BASIC program to
send to myself using my old VIC20 computer. A month later, I got my Tech
Plus ticket. I never could work my way up to 14WPM because I have to
'translate' in my head (like I do with all the human languages I have
studied), so didn't get my General till April 2000.

"Brian Hill" wrote in message
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"MnMikew" wrote in message

I listen to the ham bands all the time, there's no shortage of morons on
there now.



I agree on that also. But there are allot more good than bad. It's just
that
it only takes a few bad apples to smell up the place.

Yes, but that's pretty much true for anything. I dont see how dropping code
will be that big of a deal.

"MnMikew" wrote in message


I dont see how dropping code
will be that big of a deal.



Probably not but I do understand why some hams don't want to do away with
it.

B.H.

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

.. I started like most with a Novice
ticket and 5WPM code. I taught it to myself by writing a BASIC program to
send to myself using my old VIC20 computer. A month later, I got my Tech
Plus ticket. I never could work my way up to 14WPM because I have to
'translate' in my head (like I do with all the human languages I have
studied), so didn't get my General till April 2000.


That's why I think it's kinda unfair to lessen the requirements but CW will
be gone eventually. It's becoming a bygone era.

B.H.

dxAce wrote:
"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Yep, the folks who cannot or will not take the time to learn the code
come up with excuses just like the one you presented all the time.

No matter what you think it's going to happen.

Yep, the process of "dumbing down" marches on.

meaning you will not do you job and promote a mode you value

meaning if enough of the coders do the same Morse Code will die

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Brenda Ann wrote:
"MnMikew" wrote in message
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"dxAce" wrote in message
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You sound like the atypical code snob Steve.

Nothing snobbish about it at all.

Getting rid of the code req. is
the best thing the FCC has done in a long time.

I suppose it is for those who are unwilling to learn it!

You seem to have this idea that no-code hams are somehow "dumber" that
ones
who know it.

A large number are. What challenge is there to getting a ham license when
the test pool questions are available to anyone that wants them, and all
they have to do is memorize the answers?

You could substitute several difficult to learn but equally meaningless
tests for the cw test and still meet your requirement for challenging
new hams. For instance we could require hams send messages with
semaphore flags; or we could take them down a completely different path
and require that they exhibit a thorough knowlege of COBOL; or we could
require that they show proficiency in automobile transmission repair.


I actually had to know something
about what I was doing to get my license. I started like most with a Novice
ticket and 5WPM code. I taught it to myself by writing a BASIC program to
send to myself using my old VIC20 computer. A month later, I got my Tech
Plus ticket. I never could work my way up to 14WPM because I have to
'translate' in my head (like I do with all the human languages I have
studied), so didn't get my General till April 2000.

Congratulations on passing the test. However to require that
meaningless test of new hams when there is no practical use for morse
code will do nothing more than drive prospective hams from the hobby.
Fortunately the FCC is finally realizing that the world of
communications has moved forward from the 1950's. It is time that many
members of the hobby do so as well.

"John S." wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:
"MnMikew" wrote in message
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"dxAce" wrote in message
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You sound like the atypical code snob Steve.

Nothing snobbish about it at all.

Getting rid of the code req. is
the best thing the FCC has done in a long time.

I suppose it is for those who are unwilling to learn it!

You seem to have this idea that no-code hams are somehow "dumber" that
ones
who know it.

A large number are. What challenge is there to getting a ham license when
the test pool questions are available to anyone that wants them, and all
they have to do is memorize the answers?

You could substitute several difficult to learn but equally meaningless
tests for the cw test and still meet your requirement for challenging
new hams. For instance we could require hams send messages with
semaphore flags; or we could take them down a completely different path
and require that they exhibit a thorough knowlege of COBOL; or we could
require that they show proficiency in automobile transmission repair.

I actually had to know something
about what I was doing to get my license. I started like most with a Novice
ticket and 5WPM code. I taught it to myself by writing a BASIC program to
send to myself using my old VIC20 computer. A month later, I got my Tech
Plus ticket. I never could work my way up to 14WPM because I have to
'translate' in my head (like I do with all the human languages I have
studied), so didn't get my General till April 2000.

Congratulations on passing the test. However to require that
meaningless test of new hams when there is no practical use for morse
code will do nothing more than drive prospective hams from the hobby.

It only serves to drive the whiners and complainers away. The doers will do what
it takes to obtain a license.

The whiners and complainers will sit on the sidelines with their thumbs up their
butts until things change in their favour.

That's the way it's always been in most any human endeavour. There are those who
can, those who can't, and there are those who are just plain lazy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Buzzygirl wrote:


"Johnny Borborigmi" wrote in message
news:2006012319180827544%growl@tummycom...

99% of all hams are great people. That one percent hang out on one freq
on 75m. Screw those dopes.

Ah, yes... the "Pig Farmers." I've heard them. listened briefly, and
decided to spin the VFO, ne'er to return. They really do reek up the band.
'Course there have been some 'nets on 40 meters whose participants' bacon
seems to have slipped off'n their burgers, too.

One thing I can say about my experience in communicating with CW ops is
that they are top-notch when it comes to operating skills and
consideration. I've never met one jerk on CW... I'm sure there might be
some exceptions, but I've yet to meet one.

Jackie


I have to agree with you. Out of all of my CW contacts only a few have been
impatient or irritable and that was only because they were contesting and
I, being a newbie, was answering their contesting calls without or with
wrong contest info. Otherwise, every CW op I work is very considerate and
friendly.

- Matt

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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You sound like the atypical code snob Steve.

Nothing snobbish about it at all.

Getting rid of the code req. is
the best thing the FCC has done in a long time.

I suppose it is for those who are unwilling to learn it!

You seem to have this idea that no-code hams are somehow "dumber" that
ones
who know it.

Well yes, too dumb to learn the code, so I guess you are correct.

Having no interest is not the same as being dumb.

Brian Denley wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:

A large number are. What challenge is there to getting a ham license
when the test pool questions are available to anyone that wants them,
and all they have to do is memorize the answers? I actually had to
know something about what I was doing to get my license. I started
like most with a Novice ticket and 5WPM code. I taught it to myself
by writing a BASIC program to send to myself using my old VIC20
computer. A month later, I got my Tech Plus ticket. I never could
work my way up to 14WPM because I have to 'translate' in my head
(like I do with all the human languages I have studied), so didn't
get my General till April 2000.

There was a time (not long ago) when you wouldn't have been allowed near a
computer unless you knew 2s complement math and assembly language. Good
thing the computer industry didn't follow the radio amateur method or this
would be a real quiet newsgroup.

not long ago?

more than 20 years

--
Brian Denley
http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html