Miso,

WHY - A 'separate' PC Based IBOC "HD" AM/FM Radio
Plug-and-Play Card would be My Choice for a First "HD" Radio

It is my experience that often Steaming Audio via the Internet
gets Buffered or Drops-Off for many Internet Related Reasons.

A separate PC Based IBOC "HD" AM/FM Radio
Plug-and-Play Card would simply be a Radio that
is co-located with-in the PC and using the PC's
Sound System {External Speakers} for the Sound
Output. Something to Listen to while using the PC
in the Home Office. The Radio like any Radio will
pick-up and receive by itself as long as it has Power
and the Radio Station's Transmitter is Working.

For me the PC Based IBOC "HD" AM/FM Radio
Plug-and-Play Card would be to simply listen to
the "LOCAL" AM & FM Radio Stations without
of the IBOC problems related to Distance (DX)
Out-of-Area Stations.

-IF- IBOC becomes a "Reality" that we all have to
'Live With' as Radio Listeners in the near future.
-Then- How Do I Make It Enjoyable for Me ? ? ?
-and- As for Me - I Don't Do "DX" while I am using
the PC - I simply Listen to the Locals in the Area.
[ For Me this is 'passive' Radio Listening while
Thinking About and Doing something else. ]

hope this explains "why" i would get a 'pc' base
iboc 'hd' am/fm radio plug-and-play card ~ RHF

Telamon,

Once again you are speaking to a 'specialised'
DRM type Shortwave Radio. While I am talking
about a consumer grade AM / FM Radio that
happens to be "HD" {IBOC} and incorporated into
a Plug-and-Play Card for a PC.

Something like these for TV Video and Sound :
* TV Tuner Video Capture PCI Card FM Radio
http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ8806514986
* WinTV-GO-FM TV Tuner Video Capture PCI Card
http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ8786349885
* 3D Vision MPEG TV Tuner Capture Card
http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ8819763072

-IF- They can build them for TV with Sight-and-Sound
for under $100 -then- They can build them for
"HD" {IBOC} AM & FM Radio too.

FWIW -IF- RadioShack can sell a complete
HD {IBOC} AM & FM Radio for $300
http://tinyurl.com/s7n7d
Then a PC Card for a "HD" AM & FM Tuner
should be at least 'half' that Price - IMHO
http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_hdproducts.htm

"The List" of HD Radio Broadcasting Stations
in the State of California - Currently : 79
http://www.ibiquity.com/cgi-bin/list...te=CA&go=Go%21
Note that I currently Receive the Analog Signals
of both very well Day and Night up here (120 Miles)
in Twain Harte, CA :
San Francisco, CA - KCBS @ 740 AM
San Francisco, CA - KQED @ 88.5 FM
Plus - Fresno, CA - KMJ @ 580 AM
using a Grundig Satellit 800 Radio

"HD" {IBOC} Radio in Your State
http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_hdstations.htm

"HD" Digital Radio a Bust - May Not !
http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,67821,00.html

ABOUT - The "HD" {IBOC} Radio Scheme -by iBiquity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-Radio

IBOC Will Have To Play Catch-Up With Satellite Radio
http://www.rwonline.com/reference-ro...i_feb_15.shtml
+ Plus More IBOC News
http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/index.shtml

ABOUT - In-Band-On-Channel (IBOC)
IBOC = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBOC

IBOC AM Broadcasting Is a Complete Failure!
http://www.wbdhradio.com/html/say_no_to_iboc.html

ABOUT - iBiquity = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBiquity
IBIQUITY = http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/

i b o c'ing u ~ RHF

Dear RHF,

It should be obvious that governments, maybe in conjunction with one
another, maybe not, but certainly in conjunction with major media
companies, are trying to set up a communications/entertainment system
which is completely controllable by them - in other words, the ability
to maintain total censorship over the meda, whether it be for content
or payment.

The media companies would like nothing better than to have us PAY each
and every time we WATCH, LISTEN, or READ something - EACH AND EVERY
TIME. Thus there would be no such thing as ownership of a copy of a
movie, of music, or of literature. You want to access it? YOU PAY!

And, of course, ALL governments would like to control what its citizens
can watch, listen to, or read - even the most "benevolent" governments.

Digital media give governments/media companies the power to do this.

Can "digital" be "hacked?" Yes it can but, with the laws now in place,
no one DARES do this by, for example, reverse-engineering, and, even if
someone did "break" a digital code, he would DARE NOT publish (or even
tell anyone) his accomplishment for fear of reprisal, such as
jail-time.

I'm not kidding about all this. It's happening right now. Europe was a
"hot-bed" of hackers but they have been muzzled by threats by their
governments (for example, Finland, on January 1st of this year).
"Hollywood" has used threats of withholding access to its entertainment
if governments do not follow through on muzzling hackers. You may be
reading in the newspapers (as far as you can believe them) that our
government has been pressuring the Chinese government to "crack down:
on hackers in that country (and we all know how "effective" a Chinese
crackdown can be!) and the Chines are doing just that.

Mind you, I certainly support the right of a content owner to have a
reasonable period of exclusivity in return for his/her efforts in
producing something. But 95+ years?

And I support a government's right to muzzle traitorous or terrorist
activity within its borders (to a reasonable extent and presuming the
government itself is not a "terrorist" organization) but NOT to
inhibit/prohibit its citizens from hearing others' legitimate
viewpoints.

Analog radio/communications allows free and uninhibited exchange of
information. Digital radio/communications does not.

As always, my thoughts only.

Best,

Joe

RHF wrote:
For One and All,

Up for your consideration is the simple fact that up until now
the USA and "The World as a whole has had a uniform general
Standard of {Common Reality} of an Analog AM/MW Radio Band;
an FM Radio Band and Shortwave Radio Bands. This allowed
a World-Wide-Commonality at least in some Radio/Receiver
Circuitry.

Does the Digital Radio Future Offer the same opportunity for a
World-Wide-Commonality in some Radio/Receiver Circuitry.

WHAT ABOUT - AM / FM DIGITAL RADIO ?

Will the be a unique Digital Radio Design for AM/FM Radios
built for sale in the USA ?

And a completely different Digital Radio Design for AM/FM Radios
built for sale in The-Rest-of-the-World ?

Will Digital AM/FM Radios sold in Mexico and Canada be using
the USA Digital Strandards or the Univeral Standard of The-Rest-
of-the-World ? Will Americans have to have a Second Radio to
Listen to Digital Radio Transmissions from The-Rest-of-the-World
including Mexico and Canada ?

What is the Canadian AM/FM Digital Radio Standard ?

What is the Mexican AM/FM Digital Radio Standard ?

What is the European AM/FM Digital Radio Standard ?
- - - Who Will Africa Follow ?

What is the Japanese & Korean AM/FM Digital Radio Standard ?
- - - What Will The Rest of Asia Do ?

What will become of the standard 'portable' AM / FM Shortwave Radio ?


WHAT ABOUT - DIGITAL RADIO MONDIALE (DRM) ? ? ?

With Respect To - Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) will the next
generation of built for sale in the USA AM/FM Shortwave Radios
have DRM as part of their built-in Circuitry ?
About - Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM)
DRM = http://www.drm.org/.

Or in the future, will their be a new breed of Stand-Along Shortwave
Radio/Receivers that are "Shortwave Only" with built-in DRM Circuitry ?

About - Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM)
DRM = http://www.drm.org/.


GOING DIGITAL - Seems to be many paths headed-off in many
National {USA} or Regional {Europe} directions where the World
Wide Radio Listener is that last consideration [.]


I Have Questions ! - Do You Have Any Answers ? ~ RHF

In article . com,
"RHF" wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article .com,
"RHF" wrote:


Telamon wrote:
In article .com,
"RHF" wrote:


Telamon wrote:
In article .com,
"RHF" wrote:

Snip

As bad as Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) may be . . .
At least it is a World Wide Standard and may be in time
technology will evolve that will enable the reduction of
out-of-channel digital artifacts.

Why Is . . . Digital Radio needed below 30 MHz ?

Snip

It's not needed in its current form, that's for sure.

The benefit of moving to the current DRM scheme is not enough to
make
everyone switch to the digital scheme and buy new radios. I don't
see
the point in making the listening experience the same in all
mediums
anyway. I don't want my radio to sound like an Internet stream. I
already have the Internet streaming experience on my computer.

Just the delay from buffering is a pain. Do you realize that band
scanning will be a thing of the past with this as an example of how
the
listening experience will change?

Why do people not realize that any change brings pluses and
negatives
even if it works right or meets the engineering targets? With DRM
working to claimed performance you still have downsides using it
over
analog.

I'll wait for DRM2, 3 or 4 ... until they get it right.

DRM proponents better get used to the idea that a DRM radio will
suck
more power than an analog radio. DRM will require more circuitry
and
even if they get it down to one integrated chip for all the extra
processing needed over analog it will still suck more juice over an
analog design. If you don't want to hear this then just keep on
dreaming.

In the mean time they should stick to a specific part of each of
the
bands so they don't make a mess of the analog reception and I'm not
willing to entertain the notion of some part of the band not being
targeted to my region at some time of day either.

You have a questions. I just gave the answer.

Telamon - I will repeat my self ~ RHF

For 'my' "First" Digital AM/MW Radio.

I think the first Manufacture to come out with an
IBOC AM/FM Radio Plug-an-Play Module for a
Home Computer under $100 will be my first
IBOC Radio purchase.

Having IBOC "Local Only" AM/FM Radio Stations
at the Computer for 'passive' Radio Listening while
I am thinking and working on something else may
be a good use of the both the Time and the Money.

Ideally this type of PC based DRM Radio would be
Software upwardly programmable for DRM-2-3-4 etc . . .

No need to repeat. I sniped and responded to another part of your post,
which was the question you posed.

If you own a radio capable with a large enough bandwidth filter 12KHz
or
larger you can take the output to a computer sound card. Then you can
buy the DRM software for like $100 bucks.

Someone posted here before that you can find the source code at some
web
site for free but then you would have to compile it yourself and I
would
have no way of knowing if it would work the same as the purchased
software from the DRM consortium site or if it is up to date.

Though the source code is free you might have to buy the software
development environment (compiler) software. I'm sure someone would
respond with that information in the news group if you were to ask.

Telamon,

I am NOT talking about a "DRM Ready" PC Based Radio.

I am talking about a FCC (US) Standard "IBOC Ready"
AM/MW and FM 'PC' Based Radio that would simply be
a Plug-and-Play Card to insert into any PC for instant
IBOC "High Definition" (HD) Quality Sound and other
IBOC enhancements such as Text, Data and Images.
{Buy--Down-Load-that-Song-Now} {Subscribe-Now}
{Sign-Up-Now} {Enter-Now}

# 1 - Insert IBOC {HD-Radio} Card

# 2 - Load IBOC {HD-Radio} Card Software

Enjoy IBOC "HD" AM/MW and FM Radio with improved
"High Definition" (HD) Quality Digital Sound from your
Local AM/FM Radio Stations through your PC. For
'passive' Radio Listening while working {using} at your PC.

To me a PC Based IBOC "HD" AM/FM Radio Plug-and-Play
Card is a better "First Product" for Radio Manufactures
then a Home IBOC "HD" AM/FM Radio or a Automotive
IBOC "HD" AM/FM Radio. More "Earily Adapters" will buy
a PC Based "HD" Radio -IMHO- before they would buy an
"HD" Radio for Home or Car.


My Price Point for a PC Based "HD" Radio = $100 ~ RHF
Again I am talking about a US Standard IBOC AM/FM Radio.


OK then you will most likely have to pay 5.5 times that for a PC radio
such as the WiNRADiO. This is a computer card radio with a DRM option.
The least expensive PC card radio they have.
WR-G303i $499.95
DRM software $49.95
http://www.winradio.com/

Maybe there is a better deal on the DRM consortium site.

Telamon,

Once again you are speaking to a 'specialised'
DRM type Shortwave Radio. While I am talking
about a consumer grade AM / FM Radio that
happens to be "HD" {IBOC} and incorporated into
a Plug-and-Play Card for a PC.

Snip

Your original and first three posts to the thread speak to both DRM and
HD AMBCB radio.

The WiNRADiO will work for the AMBCB but I don't see a HD AMBCB decoder
software for it on the Winradio site or anywhere else.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Some of y'all really are a Hoot,sometimes.I dont know what all to make
of it.

Heyyyyyy,,, Les,was that you at that Biloxi calcoast website at
Biloxi,Mississippi a few years ago and you sugested something to them
and they gave you credit?
cuhulin

SW,

Inside the PC the HD Radio does not
end-up cluttering up the Desk Top )

all things in the home office must look
nice and tidy and professional ~ RHF