Just like the theft of 220-222 MHz by UPS...

Hams will whine for a while and then 6 months
later it will be forgotten.

I can JUST hear it from the consortium of BPL *******s,
FCC Auctioneers and helpless ARRL consolers:

"AFTER ALL, YOU GUYS DON'T REALLY *NEED* HF ANY MORE NOW
THAT YOU HAVE COMPUTERS WITH ECHO-LINK!"

Yecccccccch!

LONG LIVE HF

p.s. Gee, and *I* thought BPL still stood for Brass Pounders League!


On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:03:51 GMT, "Jim Warner"
wrote:

Yeah, you know I just took a quick scan of the HF spectrum. Looks like most
of the modern world has relinquished HF spectrum for more consistant, secure
means of long range communications.
There's a few spanish speaking mariners off the coast of Chile on 8MHz, but
they're waiting for some surplus AMPS cell service to show up. The same
drunks on 75 every night bitching and moaning about not getting laid, 2 guys
a day die at the mic on 40 trying to spark a nail while explaining their
med
regiment, 20's got would-be broadcast engineers schmoozing us with
swideband audio, effectively demonstrating how to make inefficient use of
spectrum as the DX'ers yelling numbers across the pond. From there up to
through 10 its kinda dead...except 27MHz. There's always an elevated noise
floor and some potent SKIP signals on 27MHz.
Both amateur bands on either side can be dead quiet while half the iron
EF Johnson ever made is pumping square waves on Channel 6. I really
shouldn't mention 27MHz though because thats, well thats CB.
Its probably a result of that band selective propagation problem I
noted earlier.
I really hate to be the devils advocate, and I have have enjoyed
the romance with ham radio that many others from years gone by have
experienced, but we may soon be exposed to the same hassle the 8-track got
when cassettes showed up on the front seats of our Chevelles.
Unfortunately, the FCC has been reduced to auctioneers, directly accountable
to scuzbucket politicians eager to sell off anything possible to maintain
the facade.
The lucky ones leave the FCC to assume cushy positions at corporations they
help during thier tenure, quite blatantly I might add. Hell, some have left
to start
companies that intentionally try to destroy industries(LMR/SMR) to
achieve thier means(certain cell carrier with push to talk feature)
I'm probably gonna send Newington money anyway. They irritate sometimes,
but they're the biggest gun we have. I'd really miss the natural sound of an
HF
radio set, and the character and tradition of our HF presense. How 'bout
you?
My argument is that BPL should be high pass filtered with a 30MHz
cut-off. When the leakage of data begins to propagate erratically in the
lower
HF region, there may be fragmented co-node interference that may be a
duplicate color code match, causing network disruptions.
Another more basic issue is, Commonwealth Edison can't keep thier 60Hz
primary product from leaking. How the hell are they going to handle a sub
carrier service on ratty grids maintained by employees that think the power
is
good because your lights are on?
And finally, the sacrifice of the lower 28MHz (2-30) that is alleged to be
affected
will not drastically affect the massive volume of throughput that will be
crammed
down the throats of so many, or the massive volume of cashflow that will be
enjoyed by so few.
Jim Warner, WA9Z



"Phil Kane" wrote in message
t.net...
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:08:25 GMT, Zoran Brlecic wrote:

FAA does not use SW, afaik, so they couldn't care less.

FAA contracts their HF comms to ARINC.

Ship to shore? What ship to what shore? They use satellites.

Tell that to a good friend of mine who is chief tech for Globe
Wireless (licensee of maritime public coast stations KPH and KFS)
who is responsible for maintaining 23 5 KW HF marine transmitters in
the San Framcisco area. Yes, HF - not for CW, not for SSB, but for
SITOR, the commercial version of AMTOR/FEC, tied into the Internet
for e-mail.

Satellites are "great" for occasional use until one gets the bill.
Globe Wireless' HF circuits carry e-mail traffic 24/7 according to him.

But I agree -- BPL is a danger to HF communications. No doubt about
it.`

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon