On 7 Dec 2003 10:54:21 -0800, john private smith wrote:

Some patrols treat the FRS radios like Army-issue radios. During
pre-patrol briefings, the patrol leader gives patrol members the FRS
primary and backup frequencies. The radios contain different codes
that can be selected on which to receive signals. Only those who know
the code can speak to each other.

That's not at all true. FRS has filter settings that can keep you
from hearing conversations on a channel that don't use the same filter
settings, but if you turn off the filtering, you hear all conversations,
regardless of settings.

It's not a security feature.

The largest FRS radio commonly bought and used by soldiers has
transmission ranges of two to four miles, weighs around 10 ounces and
is 6 inches high and 2 inches wide, depending on the model.

If they're getting four miles range, they are using GMRS radios, not FRS.
(GMRS shares some channels with FRS, has more power, and requires an
FCC license.)

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Some patrols treat the FRS radios like Army-issue radios. During
pre-patrol briefings, the patrol leader gives patrol members the FRS
primary and backup frequencies. The radios contain different codes
that can be selected on which to receive signals. Only those who know
the code can speak to each other.

That's not at all true. FRS has filter settings that can keep you
from hearing conversations on a channel that don't use the same filter
settings, but if you turn off the filtering, you hear all conversations,
regardless of settings.

It's not a security feature.


CTCSS or PL, they call it........ (among other things)


The largest FRS radio commonly bought and used by soldiers has
transmission ranges of two to four miles, weighs around 10 ounces and
is 6 inches high and 2 inches wide, depending on the model.

If they're getting four miles range, they are using GMRS radios, not FRS.
(GMRS shares some channels with FRS, has more power, and requires an
FCC license.)

I'm betting on FRS, 4 miles from sand dune to sand dune, and/or flat
ground..... not a lot of buildings and trees in the desert.....


Either way, it sounds to me like an absolute security nightmare.

Many frs sold here have a speach inversion feature add to the ctcss tones.
It's easily decodable but it is a security feature.


"R. Belcher" wrote in message
...

Some patrols treat the FRS radios like Army-issue radios. During
pre-patrol briefings, the patrol leader gives patrol members the FRS
primary and backup frequencies. The radios contain different codes
that can be selected on which to receive signals. Only those who know
the code can speak to each other.

That's not at all true. FRS has filter settings that can keep you
from hearing conversations on a channel that don't use the same filter
settings, but if you turn off the filtering, you hear all conversations,
regardless of settings.

It's not a security feature.


CTCSS or PL, they call it........ (among other things)


The largest FRS radio commonly bought and used by soldiers has
transmission ranges of two to four miles, weighs around 10 ounces and
is 6 inches high and 2 inches wide, depending on the model.

If they're getting four miles range, they are using GMRS radios, not
FRS.
(GMRS shares some channels with FRS, has more power, and requires an
FCC license.)

I'm betting on FRS, 4 miles from sand dune to sand dune, and/or flat
ground..... not a lot of buildings and trees in the desert.....


Either way, it sounds to me like an absolute security nightmare.

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 21:52:07 GMT, "R. Belcher"
wrote:

(snip)
If they're getting four miles range, they are using GMRS radios, not FRS.
(GMRS shares some channels with FRS, has more power, and requires an
FCC license.)

Do the FCC rules apply in Bosnia?

I'm betting on FRS, 4 miles from sand dune to sand dune, and/or flat
ground..... not a lot of buildings and trees in the desert.....

That would be very good range for FRS. I can't even get 2 miles line-of-sight
with mine.


Either way, it sounds to me like an absolute security nightmare.

Probably less of a nightmare than not having good commo.



It is easier to fight for our principles than to live up to them.-Alfred Adler

"Noah Simoneaux"
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 21:52:07 GMT, "R. Belcher" wrote:

(snip)
If they're getting four miles range, they are using GMRS radios, not
FRS.
(GMRS shares some channels with FRS, has more power, and requires an
FCC license.)

Do the FCC rules apply in Bosnia?


No they do not.The FCC only covers American States and its maritime
territorial waters.





I'm betting on FRS, 4 miles from sand dune to sand dune, and/or flat
ground..... not a lot of buildings and trees in the desert.....

That would be very good range for FRS. I can't even get 2 miles
line-of-sight
with mine.


Either way, it sounds to me like an absolute security nightmare.

Probably less of a nightmare than not having good commo.

Do the FCC rules apply in Bosnia?


No they do not.The FCC only covers American States and its maritime
territorial waters.



Actually, the FCC rules do NOT apply to the Military, or any other
Federal Government Entity. They are governed by the Dept. of Commerce,
National Telecommunications and Information Administration
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/

Ed WB6SAT

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:46:43 GMT, "Ed G."
wrote:



Do the FCC rules apply in Bosnia?


No they do not.The FCC only covers American States and its maritime
territorial waters.



Actually, the FCC rules do NOT apply to the Military, or any other
Federal Government Entity. They are governed by the Dept. of Commerce,
National Telecommunications and Information Administration
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/

Yes, but the FCC rules DO apply to soldiers using non-military radios in the US.




It is easier to fight for our principles than to live up to them.-Alfred Adler

"R. Belcher" wrote in message
...
I'm betting on FRS, 4 miles from sand dune to sand dune, and/or flat
ground..... not a lot of buildings and trees in the desert.....


Not a lot of desert in Bosnia.....

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"R. Belcher" wrote in message
...
I'm betting on FRS, 4 miles from sand dune to sand dune, and/or flat
ground..... not a lot of buildings and trees in the desert.....


Not a lot of desert in Bosnia.....


Not a lot of FCC Jurisdiction either.
Sad to hear our Soldiers have to resort to commercially available radios to
communicate.No Signal Corps stationed there or what?
Sheesh
Wayne

On 07 Dec 2003 20:10:32 GMT, (Jeffrey C. Dege)
wrote:


If they're getting four miles range, they are using GMRS radios, not FRS.
(GMRS shares some channels with FRS, has more power, and requires an
FCC license.)

I picked up a pair of Cobra PR900-2 Dx radios on ebay a month or so
back
(and of course my GMRS application is in the mail...of course.....)

15 GMRS channels which are shared with 7 FRS channels, 38 CTS codes,
vox (need a pair of head sets though if anyone has a Cheap source),
programable scan with priority, yada yada yada

I got them on Ebay for IIRC $32 for the pair, and they are compatable
with the two really cheap FRS 2 channel radios I already had, on only
one channel though.

Anyone have any comments on these units? Ive not given them a full
workout, though they seem to work rather well over several miles.

Gunner

No 220-pound thug can threaten the well-being or dignity of a 110-pound
woman who has two pounds of iron to even things out. Is that evil?
Is that wrong? People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence,
they're begging for the rule of brute force, when the biggest, strongest
animals among men were always automatically "right". Guns end that,
and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make
it work.
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