I think it is just time realize that no one is going to use CW anymore. Sure a horse get you from A to B. How often does that happen when ther are cars around. CW is going to go away and there is nothing a person can do about it.

You hope all you want the keep it but it will do you no good. The world changes ham radio is dying and that is just the way it is.

Ham radio has changed and has become advanced CB operators some of which are EXTRA License holders. Like getting drunk ON HF and being a pain in the neck to others is a good example.

Well believe it or not there are still plenty of Amish folks around here
with their horses. They don't care what anyone else thinks. They just do
what they do.

And yes, 80m phone is a pain in the ass.


"hamradiostuffing" wrote in
message . ..

I think it is just time realize that no one is going to use CW anymore.
Sure a horse get you from A to B. How often does that happen when ther
are cars around. CW is going to go away and there is nothing a person
can do about it.

You hope all you want the keep it but it will do you no good. The world
changes ham radio is dying and that is just the way it is.

Ham radio has changed and has become advanced CB operators some of
which are EXTRA License holders. Like getting drunk ON HF and being a
pain in the neck to others is a good example.


--
hamradiostuffing

I think not ! Lovers of Morse are the musicians of WIRELESS

Always will be - CW LIVES

from CW Zealot !




"hamradiostuffing" wrote in
message . ..

I think it is just time realize that no one is going to use CW anymore.
Sure a horse get you from A to B. How often does that happen when ther
are cars around. CW is going to go away and there is nothing a person
can do about it.

You hope all you want the keep it but it will do you no good. The world
changes ham radio is dying and that is just the way it is.

Ham radio has changed and has become advanced CB operators some of
which are EXTRA License holders. Like getting drunk ON HF and being a
pain in the neck to others is a good example.


--
hamradiostuffing

Well during the ARRL Field Day, 2005, there were over 500,000 CW contacts
made from 2212 entrants
Thats just one weekend bucko.
See QST December 2005

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

"hamradiostuffing" wrote in
message . ..

I think it is just time realize that no one is going to use CW anymore.
Sure a horse get you from A to B. How often does that happen when ther
are cars around. CW is going to go away and there is nothing a person
can do about it.

You hope all you want the keep it but it will do you no good. The world
changes ham radio is dying and that is just the way it is.

Ham radio has changed and has become advanced CB operators some of
which are EXTRA License holders. Like getting drunk ON HF and being a
pain in the neck to others is a good example.


--
hamradiostuffing

Its those other 363 1/4 days in a year you have to justify now....

FWIW, the FCC, ITU, IARU, WARC and a few other Alphabet-Soup organizations
don't share the zeal that you and the ARRL do concerning CW. Maybe that
should serve as a small hint.

As it stands now, even the most casual disinterested observer has come to
the conclusion that CW as a requirement is detrimental to the Amateur Radio
Service's survival.

I personally like the appeal of Nostalgia. I have some old tube items,
collect old glass bottles, some coins, etc. However - I haven't tried to
make that a requirement for the continuation of life for anyone around me.

Your mileage may vary. I have friends who, on occaision, have to re-shoe
their horses. However, they don't petition the State Police to make Shoing
a Horse a requirement for getting a Driver's License.

For those who seem to be a little shy on observational capabilities, digital
is most likely here to stay. ISDN specs ushered in during the late 1980s
and early 1990s should have been a dead give-away to this trend; and that
was nearly 2 decades ago.

The lack of acknowledgement of the ARRL to the changing times has already
taken a large toll. I hope the coming restructuring, in regards to dropping
CW, isn't too little too late.

For those diehards that want to punish every one with CW as a requirement,
the younger Hams have formed an organization of their own; "Pallbearers 'R
Us", and they will most likely get the last word in the matter.

Pound Away,

David
KD4NUE



"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
news:ZN0gf.8371$qw.6219@fed1read07...
Well during the ARRL Field Day, 2005, there were over 500,000 CW contacts
made from 2212 entrants
Thats just one weekend bucko.
See QST December 2005

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

"hamradiostuffing" wrote
in message . ..

I think it is just time realize that no one is going to use CW anymore.
Sure a horse get you from A to B. How often does that happen when ther
are cars around. CW is going to go away and there is nothing a person
can do about it.

You hope all you want the keep it but it will do you no good. The world
changes ham radio is dying and that is just the way it is.

Ham radio has changed and has become advanced CB operators some of
which are EXTRA License holders. Like getting drunk ON HF and being a
pain in the neck to others is a good example.


--
hamradiostuffing

Well at URL:
http://www.hornucopia.com/contestcal/contestcal.html

Find at least 40 more CW Contests ONLY
Not counting the ones that are both CW and SSB

Just listen to the bands -- ANYTIME -- loaded with CW signals

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






wrote in message
...
Its those other 363 1/4 days in a year you have to justify now....

FWIW, the FCC, ITU, IARU, WARC and a few other Alphabet-Soup organizations
don't share the zeal that you and the ARRL do concerning CW. Maybe that
should serve as a small hint.

As it stands now, even the most casual disinterested observer has come to
the conclusion that CW as a requirement is detrimental to the Amateur
Radio Service's survival.

I personally like the appeal of Nostalgia. I have some old tube items,
collect old glass bottles, some coins, etc. However - I haven't tried to
make that a requirement for the continuation of life for anyone around me.

Your mileage may vary. I have friends who, on occaision, have to re-shoe
their horses. However, they don't petition the State Police to make
Shoing a Horse a requirement for getting a Driver's License.

For those who seem to be a little shy on observational capabilities,
digital is most likely here to stay. ISDN specs ushered in during the
late 1980s and early 1990s should have been a dead give-away to this
trend; and that was nearly 2 decades ago.

The lack of acknowledgement of the ARRL to the changing times has already
taken a large toll. I hope the coming restructuring, in regards to
dropping CW, isn't too little too late.

For those diehards that want to punish every one with CW as a requirement,
the younger Hams have formed an organization of their own; "Pallbearers 'R
Us", and they will most likely get the last word in the matter.

Pound Away,

David
KD4NUE



"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
news:ZN0gf.8371$qw.6219@fed1read07...
Well during the ARRL Field Day, 2005, there were over 500,000 CW contacts
made from 2212 entrants
Thats just one weekend bucko.
See QST December 2005

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

"hamradiostuffing" wrote
in message . ..

I think it is just time realize that no one is going to use CW anymore.
Sure a horse get you from A to B. How often does that happen when ther
are cars around. CW is going to go away and there is nothing a person
can do about it.

You hope all you want the keep it but it will do you no good. The world
changes ham radio is dying and that is just the way it is.

Ham radio has changed and has become advanced CB operators some of
which are EXTRA License holders. Like getting drunk ON HF and being a
pain in the neck to others is a good example.


--
hamradiostuffing

I know.

I live close to Jekyll Island.

They seem to be one of the largest old car show sites in the South East.

I see lots of old cars being trailered (some even driven) to shows there
nearly every month.

It doesn't inspire me to go out and get one to depend on to transport myself
or family.

But, they do exist, and the shows to display them - Just like CW and
contests.

The interstate is loaded with older model cars also. However, I chose to
drive something that is more dependable.

Many prospective Hams with highly technical minds have never given any
consideration to the Amateur Radio Service due to it's nearly hysterical
zeal for using CW as a "Filter". In the meantime, they use their knowledge
to design the future. It is a shame we couldn't get their attention with
antiquated thinking guiding the requirements for joining our ranks.

And so the continuing tribulations of the relay-minded in a digital world.

I hope you are still sending binary oscillations from a momentary contact
push-button switch - at least using a solid state rig. I hope that you at
least acknowledge that there is hope for solid state electronics over hollow
state; even though tube gear still exists.....

What you choose to drive or do with you radio gear is a matter of personal
choice. After the first quarter of 2006, many Hams choices of operation
below 50 MHz will increase; no code involved.

I hope it isn't a matter of too little, too late to preserve the spectrum
entrusted to us.

Get over it.

David
KD4NUE

"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
newso3gf.8395$qw.5592@fed1read07...
Well at URL:
http://www.hornucopia.com/contestcal/contestcal.html

Find at least 40 more CW Contests ONLY
Not counting the ones that are both CW and SSB

Just listen to the bands -- ANYTIME -- loaded with CW signals

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






wrote in message
...
Its those other 363 1/4 days in a year you have to justify now....

FWIW, the FCC, ITU, IARU, WARC and a few other Alphabet-Soup
organizations don't share the zeal that you and the ARRL do concerning
CW. Maybe that should serve as a small hint.

As it stands now, even the most casual disinterested observer has come to
the conclusion that CW as a requirement is detrimental to the Amateur
Radio Service's survival.

I personally like the appeal of Nostalgia. I have some old tube items,
collect old glass bottles, some coins, etc. However - I haven't tried to
make that a requirement for the continuation of life for anyone around
me.

Your mileage may vary. I have friends who, on occaision, have to re-shoe
their horses. However, they don't petition the State Police to make
Shoing a Horse a requirement for getting a Driver's License.

For those who seem to be a little shy on observational capabilities,
digital is most likely here to stay. ISDN specs ushered in during the
late 1980s and early 1990s should have been a dead give-away to this
trend; and that was nearly 2 decades ago.

The lack of acknowledgement of the ARRL to the changing times has already
taken a large toll. I hope the coming restructuring, in regards to
dropping CW, isn't too little too late.

For those diehards that want to punish every one with CW as a
requirement, the younger Hams have formed an organization of their own;
"Pallbearers 'R Us", and they will most likely get the last word in the
matter.

Pound Away,

David
KD4NUE



"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
news:ZN0gf.8371$qw.6219@fed1read07...
Well during the ARRL Field Day, 2005, there were over 500,000 CW
contacts made from 2212 entrants
Thats just one weekend bucko.
See QST December 2005

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

"hamradiostuffing" wrote
in message . ..

I think it is just time realize that no one is going to use CW
anymore.
Sure a horse get you from A to B. How often does that happen when ther
are cars around. CW is going to go away and there is nothing a person
can do about it.

You hope all you want the keep it but it will do you no good. The
world
changes ham radio is dying and that is just the way it is.

Ham radio has changed and has become advanced CB operators some of
which are EXTRA License holders. Like getting drunk ON HF and being a
pain in the neck to others is a good example.


--
hamradiostuffing

First off currently THE CODE TEST IS A REQUIREMENT -- PERIOD

And if you want something bad enough, you buckle down and DO IT, whether you
like, dislike, will use, or NEVER use the code. All the arguments against
the code are beside the point.

It is NOT the code that stops folks.

It is the time, dedication, and good old Yankee can do.

For example, I have tutored folks on the mores code.

The average person needs about 30 hours of study and practice on the code to
hit 5 wpm. More than 90% of those that stuck to it -- passed the code test.
The other 10% required more time and most made it.

Soon the code will go away as a requirement

But then we will undoubtedly hear -- Aw gee I have to take a test on
regulations, electronics, ad nausea

It is the motivated can doers in this world that get ahead and succeed.
The rest endlessly complain, make excuses and get no where.

In Navy Aviation Electronics school, we had to pass the code test at 8 WPM
in order to continue on in the school. Many hated it, complained, I'll never
use it, etc.

Until our old Chief instructor sed to us -- you will learn the code or you
will find yourself in the boiler room of an Oil Tanker.

You know what -- we ALL passed

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






wrote in message
...
I know.

I live close to Jekyll Island.

They seem to be one of the largest old car show sites in the South East.

I see lots of old cars being trailered (some even driven) to shows there
nearly every month.

It doesn't inspire me to go out and get one to depend on to transport
myself or family.

But, they do exist, and the shows to display them - Just like CW and
contests.

The interstate is loaded with older model cars also. However, I chose to
drive something that is more dependable.

Many prospective Hams with highly technical minds have never given any
consideration to the Amateur Radio Service due to it's nearly hysterical
zeal for using CW as a "Filter". In the meantime, they use their
knowledge to design the future. It is a shame we couldn't get their
attention with antiquated thinking guiding the requirements for joining
our ranks.

And so the continuing tribulations of the relay-minded in a digital world.

I hope you are still sending binary oscillations from a momentary contact
push-button switch - at least using a solid state rig. I hope that you at
least acknowledge that there is hope for solid state electronics over
hollow state; even though tube gear still exists.....

What you choose to drive or do with you radio gear is a matter of personal
choice. After the first quarter of 2006, many Hams choices of operation
below 50 MHz will increase; no code involved.

I hope it isn't a matter of too little, too late to preserve the spectrum
entrusted to us.

Get over it.

David
KD4NUE

"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
newso3gf.8395$qw.5592@fed1read07...
Well at URL:
http://www.hornucopia.com/contestcal/contestcal.html

Find at least 40 more CW Contests ONLY
Not counting the ones that are both CW and SSB

Just listen to the bands -- ANYTIME -- loaded with CW signals

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






wrote in message
...
Its those other 363 1/4 days in a year you have to justify now....

FWIW, the FCC, ITU, IARU, WARC and a few other Alphabet-Soup
organizations don't share the zeal that you and the ARRL do concerning
CW. Maybe that should serve as a small hint.

As it stands now, even the most casual disinterested observer has come
to the conclusion that CW as a requirement is detrimental to the Amateur
Radio Service's survival.

I personally like the appeal of Nostalgia. I have some old tube items,
collect old glass bottles, some coins, etc. However - I haven't tried
to make that a requirement for the continuation of life for anyone
around me.

Your mileage may vary. I have friends who, on occaision, have to
re-shoe their horses. However, they don't petition the State Police to
make Shoing a Horse a requirement for getting a Driver's License.

For those who seem to be a little shy on observational capabilities,
digital is most likely here to stay. ISDN specs ushered in during the
late 1980s and early 1990s should have been a dead give-away to this
trend; and that was nearly 2 decades ago.

The lack of acknowledgement of the ARRL to the changing times has
already taken a large toll. I hope the coming restructuring, in regards
to dropping CW, isn't too little too late.

For those diehards that want to punish every one with CW as a
requirement, the younger Hams have formed an organization of their own;
"Pallbearers 'R Us", and they will most likely get the last word in the
matter.

Pound Away,

David
KD4NUE



"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
news:ZN0gf.8371$qw.6219@fed1read07...
Well during the ARRL Field Day, 2005, there were over 500,000 CW
contacts made from 2212 entrants
Thats just one weekend bucko.
See QST December 2005

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

"hamradiostuffing"
wrote in message . ..

I think it is just time realize that no one is going to use CW
anymore.
Sure a horse get you from A to B. How often does that happen when
ther
are cars around. CW is going to go away and there is nothing a person
can do about it.

You hope all you want the keep it but it will do you no good. The
world
changes ham radio is dying and that is just the way it is.

Ham radio has changed and has become advanced CB operators some of
which are EXTRA License holders. Like getting drunk ON HF and being a
pain in the neck to others is a good example.


--
hamradiostuffing

"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
news:BC5gf.9878$qw.9424@fed1read07...
First off currently THE CODE TEST IS A REQUIREMENT -- PERIOD

And if you want something bad enough, you buckle down and DO IT, whether
you like, dislike, will use, or NEVER use the code. All the arguments
against the code are beside the point.

It is NOT the code that stops folks.

It is the time, dedication, and good old Yankee can do.

For example, I have tutored folks on the mores code.

The average person needs about 30 hours of study and practice on the code
to hit 5 wpm. More than 90% of those that stuck to it -- passed the code
test. The other 10% required more time and most made it.

Soon the code will go away as a requirement

But then we will undoubtedly hear -- Aw gee I have to take a test on
regulations, electronics, ad nausea

It is the motivated can doers in this world that get ahead and succeed.
The rest endlessly complain, make excuses and get no where.

In Navy Aviation Electronics school, we had to pass the code test at 8 WPM
in order to continue on in the school. Many hated it, complained, I'll
never use it, etc.

Until our old Chief instructor sed to us -- you will learn the code or you
will find yourself in the boiler room of an Oil Tanker.

You know what -- we ALL passed

--

APPLAUSE

Hell, if a no-talent hack like me can learn it, anyone can. I made it fun
for myself by designing a code tutor program on my old Vic 20 computer.
Coded tones to ASCII, so that as I hit a key it would give me the proper
Morse equivalent.

Caveat Lector wrote:

First off currently THE CODE TEST IS A REQUIREMENT -- PERIOD

And if you want something bad enough, you buckle down and DO IT, whether you
like, dislike, will use, or NEVER use the code. All the arguments against
the code are beside the point.

It is NOT the code that stops folks.

It is the time, dedication, and good old Yankee can do.

For example, I have tutored folks on the mores code.

The average person needs about 30 hours of study and practice on the code to
hit 5 wpm. More than 90% of those that stuck to it -- passed the code test.
The other 10% required more time and most made it.

Soon the code will go away as a requirement

But then we will undoubtedly hear -- Aw gee I have to take a test on
regulations, electronics, ad nausea

It is the motivated can doers in this world that get ahead and succeed.
The rest endlessly complain, make excuses and get no where.

In Navy Aviation Electronics school, we had to pass the code test at 8 WPM
in order to continue on in the school. Many hated it, complained, I'll never
use it, etc.

Until our old Chief instructor sed to us -- you will learn the code or you
will find yourself in the boiler room of an Oil Tanker.

You know what -- we ALL passed

Very good!

dxAce
Michigan
USA