Have you proven your proficiency on packet,
RTTY, or PSK31? Why not? But everyone else is supposed to prove
proficiency on morse code? Why? Because you did?

Your average no-coder is as ignorant about the computer assisted digital modes
as they are of the original digital, CW. CW is an operator skill; the computer
assisted digital modes are just button pushing, with technology replacing
operator skill.

K0MB

"MailfrmPA" wrote in message
...
Have you proven your proficiency on packet,
RTTY, or PSK31? Why not? But everyone else is supposed to prove
proficiency on morse code? Why? Because you did?

Your average no-coder is as ignorant about the computer assisted digital
modes
as they are of the original digital, CW. CW is an operator skill; the
computer
assisted digital modes are just button pushing, with technology replacing
operator skill.

Seems it pretty much has anyway. Mostly appliance operators. How many could
actually build a transmitter or receiver (simple AM, let alone SSB or any
digital mode)? My code is so rusty there's very little metal left, but if
pressed, I would still be able to use it. And though I like the new rigs
with all their bells and whistles, I could still put myself on the air on
any HF or VHF band with parts out of my junk box (can't vouch for frequency
stability on VHF, though.. :P)

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"MailfrmPA" wrote in message
...
Have you proven your proficiency on packet,
RTTY, or PSK31? Why not? But everyone else is supposed to prove
proficiency on morse code? Why? Because you did?

Your average no-coder is as ignorant about the computer assisted digital
modes
as they are of the original digital, CW. CW is an operator skill; the
computer
assisted digital modes are just button pushing, with technology
replacing
operator skill.

Seems it pretty much has anyway. Mostly appliance operators. How many
could
actually build a transmitter or receiver (simple AM, let alone SSB or any
digital mode)? My code is so rusty there's very little metal left, but if
pressed, I would still be able to use it. And though I like the new rigs
with all their bells and whistles, I could still put myself on the air on
any HF or VHF band with parts out of my junk box (can't vouch for
frequency
stability on VHF, though.. :P)

I am still using some equipment that I have designed and built from scratch.

-n6ojn

Hi,
Dumbs can be taught, it may take longer.
Lazy whiny buggers are no good for anything.

ac5tx wrote:

To dumb to learn CW??? Sad , how sad
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...

Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.

Additionally,

we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn

it.

And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
news:11PDb.727085$6C4.501773@pd7tw1no...
Hi,
Dumbs can be taught, it may take longer.
Lazy whiny buggers are no good for anything.

ac5tx wrote:

To dumb to learn CW??? Sad , how sad
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...


People don't seem to get the concept of the difference between 'stupid' and
'ignorant'. The truly stupid cannot be taught, at least without great
effort. The ignorant simply don't know anything about a given subject, and
can be taught. The lazy are another thing entirely, and can be either
stupid or ignorant, and not WANT to learn.

"ergo" wrote in message
news:ervDb.558927$Tr4.1525175@attbi_s03...
If hams want to perform emergency work,why not let more of us nice
no-coders into HF?

Notice it's always the no-coders bitching about having to learn CW. If they
are going to do away with the code, then at least replace it with something
technically challenging. My 10 year old was copying 5 wpm after 2 weeks of
study, so what's so damn hard about it? It just might keep the damn CB'ers
of the ham bands, at least the CB'ers in my neighborhood. They sound about
as intelligent as a shoelace.

And then you have the arguement "I had to learn code, so should you". That
is valid to a point, and I agree partially with that. What's next, give
them $10 and they give you a ham license? Hell, us VE's don't even have to
pay for a renewal anymore. CW is dependable...regardless of what some say.

Just an observation...
Some of us hams (and others) have posted our comment and moved on. Has
anyone else notice that ergo, Hamguy, Noonair and Bill Turner also post....
and post.... and post... and post some more.... as if their word on a topic
is the final word? I understand that we all have different opinions (and
this is one also), and there is no limit to posting, but where does the
opinion part stop and arrogance take over? Seems to me that posting too much
about one topic eventually makes your opinion weak and invalid.

(I would have not posted again except for this observation thing.... I just
had to throw in one more).

Mark W4UDX
(Please use your calls people... don't be sissies)!

"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!

Addendum:
BTW: I also post too much! I also do not wish those that I mentioned to
think I am attacking them personally - I agree with much that they have
said!

Mark W4UDX


wrote in message
.. .
Just an observation...
Some of us hams (and others) have posted our comment and moved on. Has
anyone else notice that ergo, Hamguy, Noonair and Bill Turner also
post....
and post.... and post... and post some more.... as if their word on a
topic
is the final word? I understand that we all have different opinions (and
this is one also), and there is no limit to posting, but where does the
opinion part stop and arrogance take over? Seems to me that posting too
much
about one topic eventually makes your opinion weak and invalid.

(I would have not posted again except for this observation thing.... I
just
had to throw in one more).

Mark W4UDX
(Please use your calls people... don't be sissies)!

"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!

i b newbie

wrote in message
.. .
Just an observation...
Some of us hams (and others) have posted our comment and moved on. Has
anyone else notice that ergo, Hamguy, Noonair and Bill Turner also
post....
and post.... and post... and post some more.... as if their word on a
topic
is the final word? I understand that we all have different opinions (and
this is one also), and there is no limit to posting, but where does the
opinion part stop and arrogance take over? Seems to me that posting too
much
about one topic eventually makes your opinion weak and invalid.

(I would have not posted again except for this observation thing.... I
just
had to throw in one more).

Mark W4UDX
(Please use your calls people... don't be sissies)!

"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!

i can not use my call as olde fartz wont talk to me when i get to be general

wrote in message
.. .
Addendum:
BTW: I also post too much! I also do not wish those that I mentioned to
think I am attacking them personally - I agree with much that they have
said!

Mark W4UDX


wrote in message
.. .
Just an observation...
Some of us hams (and others) have posted our comment and moved on. Has
anyone else notice that ergo, Hamguy, Noonair and Bill Turner also
post....
and post.... and post... and post some more.... as if their word on a
topic
is the final word? I understand that we all have different opinions (and
this is one also), and there is no limit to posting, but where does the
opinion part stop and arrogance take over? Seems to me that posting too
much
about one topic eventually makes your opinion weak and invalid.

(I would have not posted again except for this observation thing.... I
just
had to throw in one more).

Mark W4UDX
(Please use your calls people... don't be sissies)!

"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we
should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to
use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to
learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as
CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it.
Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or
not,
CW is TOAST!