Because of the nature of CW, it requires a section of it's own, come on
Andy, common sense tells you that. Be honest with yourself and the rest of
us. If you really used CW, you would know that your "memorization" comment
is stupid! Of course you "memorize" it, but it is an aquired skill.
Certainly technology has expanded the hobby, but it's a two edged sword,
it's tough to convince someone to spend roughly $1000 to buy the needed
equipment, pass an exam, put up antennas, endure the noise & qrm to speak to
people around the world when they can use the computer they already own &
the ISP they already payed money for and do the same thing much easier. I
can't tell you how many hams I know who have given up on Ham Radio because
they're tired of it and find the internet more interesting. These are
already licensed hams! Techs to extras! If hams are more fascinated with the
internet then ham radio, it's tough to convince new people to get licensed
for the same reason. One side note here, it wasn't that EVIL CW that scared
them away. Come on Andy, some honesty with yourself!
And as for your "free time" comment...three one hour sessions & I had 5WPM
down, so did the 7 year old. If your having that much trouble, maybe you
study technics aren't good.

Chuck WG2A

"VHFRadioBuff" wrote in message
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I think that SSTV, Amtor, Packet, Satellites are irrelevant too! I had
to learn something about them to pass my exam didn't I?

Only a few questions. There wasn't an entire section that required
knowledge of
those, which determined if you upgraded or not.

The only difference is between them &
CW is that CW is learned by ear, not by memorization.

Some argue that CW is nothing BUT memorization. You memorize the dits and
dahs,
don't you?

CW is NOT the
reason ham radio has stagnated, it's because of technology (Internet).

I'd argue that technology has expanded ham radio.

Anyone with half an ounce of effort can pass the CW exam now.

And a lot of free time.
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73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)
Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw
http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com

5WPM Bill, 5WPM, how much more easy does it have to be? The written is
simple & the CW test a joke. I know of 7 year olds that passed a 5WPM CW
test & are still licensed hams today, no Doctorates, just determined.

Chuck WG2A

7 year olds have a lot more time than those of us in the working world with
children of our own and spouses going back to school as well as volunteer
commitments.
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73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)
Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw
http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com

7 year olds have a lot more time than those of us in the working world with
children of our own and spouses going back to school as well as volunteer
commitments.
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73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPY

So I guess Andys point is just give it to them for nothing .

Because of the nature of CW, it requires a section of it's own, come on
Andy, common sense tells you that.

Andy doesnt care he just wants a FREE Handout.

And as for your "free time" comment...three one hour sessions & I had 5WPM
down, so did the 7 year old. If your having that much trouble, maybe you
study technics aren't good.

I broke this down once on an email reflector and it convinced someone that I
really DON'T have time to learn CW, as I have suggested. I don't have the time
to sit and break it down like I did before, but here's a summary.

I have an 18 month old son, a wife in school full time who also works, I
volunteer on a local ambulance and I work 40+ hrs a week. Very little time for
consistant studying in order to learn the code. I don't even have time to be a
member in the local radio club.

Besides - why should I bother? CW will be eliminated shortly anyway.
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73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)
Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw
http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com

Reread my original post Bill! Amtor, SSTV, Packet, Sats are things I had to
be "forced" to learn that are IRRELEVANT to me and to my needs, but they are
part of the hobby, consequently, I had to learn them, so did you. What do we
need now? A pick and choose exam style where your only tested on what YOU
think is relevant or worthwhile? LOL! I don't think the FCC has that kind of
time. The fact is, the whole exam system is incedibly simple and only a
hinderance to those unwilling to put forth the effort to learn.

Chuck WG2A

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:35:51 GMT, "Chas" wrote:

5WPM Bill, 5WPM, how much more easy does it have to be?

____________________

You missed the point. It's not whether it's easy, it's whether it's
useful and relevant to their wants and needs.

Nearly everybody will put forth effort if they see the results as
worthwhile. A *lot* of people see CW as something they are just not
interested in. Why do you feel the need to force people to learn
something they don't care about?

--
Bill W6WRT
a 20-WPM extra

Andy, I know about time constraints. I, like you have work plus OT, home and
family to take care as well, but before I was licensed, I found the time
because I was motivated by the fascination of using radio. The studying was
simply crammed in when I could. So what's the solution? We're all very busy,
Free Licenses now? I'll bet that when CW is dropped, the NCI will change to
the NTI (No Test Int.). As I read from their web site & from members, it
really seems to be the direction they're going.

Chuck WG2A

"VHFRadioBuff" wrote in message
...
5WPM Bill, 5WPM, how much more easy does it have to be? The written is
simple & the CW test a joke. I know of 7 year olds that passed a 5WPM CW
test & are still licensed hams today, no Doctorates, just determined.

Chuck WG2A

7 year olds have a lot more time than those of us in the working world
with
children of our own and spouses going back to school as well as volunteer
commitments.
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73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)
Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw
http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com

Get real - the testing requirement for ham radio will always be there. They're
just getting with the times, and with the rest of the world by eliminating an
outdated section of the test.

Perhaps the best way to ensure actual knowledge of ham radio is not to publish
the answers for all to study. That would force potential and upgrading hams to
actually learn instead of memorize.
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73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)
Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw
http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com

I have an 18 month old son, a wife in school full time who also works, I
volunteer on a local ambulance and I work 40+ hrs a week. Very little time
for
consistant studying in order to learn the code. I don't even have time to be
a
member in the local radio club.

Besides - why should I bother? CW will be eliminated shortly anyway.
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73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS)

I will bet you have more than enough time to sit on your ass and play 2 Meter
CB.

Free Licenses now? I'll bet that when CW is dropped, the NCI will change to
the NTI (No Test Int.). As I read from their web site & from members, it
really seems to be the direction they're going.

Chuck WG2A


Thats what there GOAL is