Pentagon, intel pros tell Bush war cannot be won

By DOUG THOMPSON

Nov 30, 2005

While President George W. Bush tells the American people that U.S.
troops must stay in Iraq until they have "achieved victory," Pentagon
planners and intelligence professionals tell the White House the war
cannot be won.

"The President's speech tonight will be a con-job," says a senior
Pentagon analyst who asked not to be identified.

"He will be attempting to sell a strategy that is not achievable and
one that is not backed by the professionals who tell him otherwise."

In fact, experts say Bush can no longer rally Americans to support his
failed far in Iraq.

"The American people have turned against the war, and they're not
turning back," said political analyst Larry Sabato of the University of
Virginia.

"The public is no longer with the President on this issue."

But opposition to the President's policies also grows in the private
corridors of the Pentagon and in the intelligence community where
professionals in the art of waging war say the battle for Iraq is lost.


"It's over," says a longtime analyst for the Central Intelligence
Agency.

"It's been over since we declared a victory we didn't achieve and
claimed to have accomplished a mission that was unfinished."

Bitterness grows within the military and intelligence establishment
over Bush's unwillingness to listen to reason on Iraq.

Analysts called to the White House to provide intelligence briefings on
the situation in Iraq dread the trip to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue where
an honest assessment of the war brings anger and sharp rebukes from a
President who doesn't like to hear bad news.

"It's a no-win situation," says one longtime Pentagon operative.

"If we provide an honest assessment of the situation the President
blows his stack. He ignores our recommendations and then blames us when
things go wrong."

A record number of senior officials at both the Pentagon and CIA have
left in recent months, saying they are unable to deal with what they
call "the imperial Presidency of George W. Bush."

Republicans also grow increasingly nervous over Bush's stubbornness
on Iraq and know the growing public opposition to the war is killing
them politically.

"If elections for Congress were being held next Tuesday, Republicans
would lose both houses. The GOP knows it," says Sabato.

Other feel opposition to the war will continue to grow and, with it,
increased demands that the U.S. withdraw..

"No matter how the questions are phrased, all the polls have logged
increases in pro-withdrawal sentiment over the course of the war," says
John Mueller, an expert on war and public opinion, based at Ohio State
University.

"And that sentiment is inextricably linked to the growing belief that
the war itself has been a mistake."

That belief the war itself has been a mistake is one shared by a
growing number of those whose job it is to wage war -- the pros at the
Pentagon and in the intelligence community and the same pros that
George W. Bush ignored in his headlong march into a losing war in Iraq.

__________________________________________________ _____

Of course none of this has an impact on an mentally disturbed
presidunce who converses with God.

__________________________________________________ _____________________________
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Yep... it's late an I'm bored.. LOL.


BTW Joe.... it's not the president... it's politics and politicians in
general... it's a corrupt system [born of a corrupt society] and it WILL
only get worse.
Best bet is to know Jesus, stockpile weapons/ammo/food, find a good place to
hole up, and hang on for the ride..... laughing all the way.....

rb
..

"Oklahoma Joe" wrote in message
...
Pentagon, intel pros tell Bush war cannot be won

By DOUG THOMPSON

Nov 30, 2005

While President George W. Bush tells the American people that U.S.
troops must stay in Iraq until they have "achieved victory," Pentagon
planners and intelligence professionals tell the White House the war
cannot be won.

"The President's speech tonight will be a con-job," says a senior
Pentagon analyst who asked not to be identified.

"He will be attempting to sell a strategy that is not achievable and
one that is not backed by the professionals who tell him otherwise."

In fact, experts say Bush can no longer rally Americans to support his
failed far in Iraq.

"The American people have turned against the war, and they're not
turning back," said political analyst Larry Sabato of the University of
Virginia.

"The public is no longer with the President on this issue."

But opposition to the President's policies also grows in the private
corridors of the Pentagon and in the intelligence community where
professionals in the art of waging war say the battle for Iraq is lost.


"It's over," says a longtime analyst for the Central Intelligence
Agency.

"It's been over since we declared a victory we didn't achieve and
claimed to have accomplished a mission that was unfinished."

Bitterness grows within the military and intelligence establishment
over Bush's unwillingness to listen to reason on Iraq.

Analysts called to the White House to provide intelligence briefings on
the situation in Iraq dread the trip to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue where
an honest assessment of the war brings anger and sharp rebukes from a
President who doesn't like to hear bad news.

"It's a no-win situation," says one longtime Pentagon operative.

"If we provide an honest assessment of the situation the President
blows his stack. He ignores our recommendations and then blames us when
things go wrong."

A record number of senior officials at both the Pentagon and CIA have
left in recent months, saying they are unable to deal with what they
call "the imperial Presidency of George W. Bush."

Republicans also grow increasingly nervous over Bush's stubbornness
on Iraq and know the growing public opposition to the war is killing
them politically.

"If elections for Congress were being held next Tuesday, Republicans
would lose both houses. The GOP knows it," says Sabato.

Other feel opposition to the war will continue to grow and, with it,
increased demands that the U.S. withdraw..

"No matter how the questions are phrased, all the polls have logged
increases in pro-withdrawal sentiment over the course of the war," says
John Mueller, an expert on war and public opinion, based at Ohio State
University.

"And that sentiment is inextricably linked to the growing belief that
the war itself has been a mistake."

That belief the war itself has been a mistake is one shared by a
growing number of those whose job it is to wage war -- the pros at the
Pentagon and in the intelligence community and the same pros that
George W. Bush ignored in his headlong march into a losing war in Iraq.

__________________________________________________ _____

Of course none of this has an impact on an mentally disturbed
presidunce who converses with God.

__________________________________________________ _____________________________
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No it is the stupid, stubborn guy in office and did a stay too
religious.



Woody wrote:

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz.................



Yep... it's late an I'm bored.. LOL.


BTW Joe.... it's not the president... it's politics and politicians in
general... it's a corrupt system [born of a corrupt society] and it WILL
only get worse.
Best bet is to know Jesus, stockpile weapons/ammo/food, find a good place to
hole up, and hang on for the ride..... laughing all the way.....

rb
.

"Oklahoma Joe" wrote in message
...

Pentagon, intel pros tell Bush war cannot be won

By DOUG THOMPSON

Nov 30, 2005

While President George W. Bush tells the American people that U.S.
troops must stay in Iraq until they have "achieved victory," Pentagon
planners and intelligence professionals tell the White House the war
cannot be won.

"The President's speech tonight will be a con-job," says a senior
Pentagon analyst who asked not to be identified.

"He will be attempting to sell a strategy that is not achievable and
one that is not backed by the professionals who tell him otherwise."

In fact, experts say Bush can no longer rally Americans to support his
failed far in Iraq.

"The American people have turned against the war, and they're not
turning back," said political analyst Larry Sabato of the University of
Virginia.

"The public is no longer with the President on this issue."

But opposition to the President's policies also grows in the private
corridors of the Pentagon and in the intelligence community where
professionals in the art of waging war say the battle for Iraq is lost.


"It's over," says a longtime analyst for the Central Intelligence
Agency.

"It's been over since we declared a victory we didn't achieve and
claimed to have accomplished a mission that was unfinished."

Bitterness grows within the military and intelligence establishment
over Bush's unwillingness to listen to reason on Iraq.

Analysts called to the White House to provide intelligence briefings on
the situation in Iraq dread the trip to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue where
an honest assessment of the war brings anger and sharp rebukes from a
President who doesn't like to hear bad news.

"It's a no-win situation," says one longtime Pentagon operative.

"If we provide an honest assessment of the situation the President
blows his stack. He ignores our recommendations and then blames us when
things go wrong."

A record number of senior officials at both the Pentagon and CIA have
left in recent months, saying they are unable to deal with what they
call "the imperial Presidency of George W. Bush."

Republicans also grow increasingly nervous over Bush's stubbornness
on Iraq and know the growing public opposition to the war is killing
them politically.

"If elections for Congress were being held next Tuesday, Republicans
would lose both houses. The GOP knows it," says Sabato.

Other feel opposition to the war will continue to grow and, with it,
increased demands that the U.S. withdraw..

"No matter how the questions are phrased, all the polls have logged
increases in pro-withdrawal sentiment over the course of the war," says
John Mueller, an expert on war and public opinion, based at Ohio State
University.

"And that sentiment is inextricably linked to the growing belief that
the war itself has been a mistake."

That belief the war itself has been a mistake is one shared by a
growing number of those whose job it is to wage war -- the pros at the
Pentagon and in the intelligence community and the same pros that
George W. Bush ignored in his headlong march into a losing war in Iraq.

________________________________________________ _______

Of course none of this has an impact on an mentally disturbed
presidunce who converses with God.

________________________________________________ _______________________________
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Eh? I didn't say anything about religion.
You are correct though, religion only makes it worse....

But hey, put your 'guy' in there so he can swing the door the other way.....
but in the end, it's still standing open.
rb

wrote in message
...
No it is the stupid, stubborn guy in office and did a stay too religious.



Woody wrote:

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz.................



Yep... it's late an I'm bored.. LOL.


BTW Joe.... it's not the president... it's politics and politicians in
general... it's a corrupt system [born of a corrupt society] and it WILL
only get worse.
Best bet is to know Jesus, stockpile weapons/ammo/food, find a good place
to hole up, and hang on for the ride..... laughing all the way.....

rb
.

"Oklahoma Joe" wrote in message
...

Pentagon, intel pros tell Bush war cannot be won

By DOUG THOMPSON

Nov 30, 2005

While President George W. Bush tells the American people that U.S.
troops must stay in Iraq until they have "achieved victory," Pentagon
planners and intelligence professionals tell the White House the war
cannot be won.

"The President's speech tonight will be a con-job," says a senior
Pentagon analyst who asked not to be identified.

"He will be attempting to sell a strategy that is not achievable and
one that is not backed by the professionals who tell him otherwise."

In fact, experts say Bush can no longer rally Americans to support his
failed far in Iraq.

"The American people have turned against the war, and they're not
turning back," said political analyst Larry Sabato of the University of
Virginia.

"The public is no longer with the President on this issue."

But opposition to the President's policies also grows in the private
corridors of the Pentagon and in the intelligence community where
professionals in the art of waging war say the battle for Iraq is lost.


"It's over," says a longtime analyst for the Central Intelligence
Agency.

"It's been over since we declared a victory we didn't achieve and
claimed to have accomplished a mission that was unfinished."

Bitterness grows within the military and intelligence establishment
over Bush's unwillingness to listen to reason on Iraq.

Analysts called to the White House to provide intelligence briefings on
the situation in Iraq dread the trip to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue where
an honest assessment of the war brings anger and sharp rebukes from a
President who doesn't like to hear bad news.

"It's a no-win situation," says one longtime Pentagon operative.

"If we provide an honest assessment of the situation the President
blows his stack. He ignores our recommendations and then blames us when
things go wrong."

A record number of senior officials at both the Pentagon and CIA have
left in recent months, saying they are unable to deal with what they
call "the imperial Presidency of George W. Bush."

Republicans also grow increasingly nervous over Bush's stubbornness
on Iraq and know the growing public opposition to the war is killing
them politically.

"If elections for Congress were being held next Tuesday, Republicans
would lose both houses. The GOP knows it," says Sabato.

Other feel opposition to the war will continue to grow and, with it,
increased demands that the U.S. withdraw..

"No matter how the questions are phrased, all the polls have logged
increases in pro-withdrawal sentiment over the course of the war," says
John Mueller, an expert on war and public opinion, based at Ohio State
University.

"And that sentiment is inextricably linked to the growing belief that
the war itself has been a mistake."

That belief the war itself has been a mistake is one shared by a
growing number of those whose job it is to wage war -- the pros at the
Pentagon and in the intelligence community and the same pros that
George W. Bush ignored in his headlong march into a losing war in Iraq.

_______________________________________________ ________

Of course none of this has an impact on an mentally disturbed
presidunce who converses with God.

_______________________________________________ ________________________________
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http://www.uncensored-news.com
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Woody wrote:

Best bet is to know Jesus, stockpile weapons/ammo/food, snip

and then Woody wrote:

Eh? I didn't say anything about religion.

Pardon me for pointing it out, but it seems that you might be
contradicting yourself...

Jesus isn't religion ?????????????????????????????????

Consider yourself pardoned, with no offense taken; and I humbly request the
same.

In response to your question; Not at all... Knowing God has jack-squat to do
with religion...
Religion generally takes one away from God and the true path of
righteousness.
You have a book of 'instructions'...[the Bible, Koran, or whatever.. I
prefer the former.].... it was put here, and has survived for a reason. Read
it, UNDERSTAND it, and seek to follow THE [not "a"] path of righteousness;
alone, just you and God.
Don't fall prey to religions... they always have their 'secondary' set of
instructions THEY [mortal man] want you to follow.... [by-laws, doctrines,
etc...handle snakes, never cut hair, wear this particular item of clothing,
holy war is OK, that kind of foolishness.]

How many times do you hear people say, "I don't do that, I go to church."?
Millions? Probably.
Here's a news flash: Satan goes to church. It's his freakin' playground.
On the other hand,
How many times do you hear people say "I can't do that, I'm a Christian."
Not much, unless you're surrounded by true Christians.

Seek SALVATION, avoid religion.

Your relationship is meant to be with GOD [Salvation] not a group of people
[Religion].
Associate, fellowship, but never follow Man. [but that's never the case is
it? If you show up twice, they start on ya to "join"....]
Leaders and teachers, preachers or whatever you call them, are simply
guides... not law-makers... they should seek to teach an understanding, not
the meaning. Understanding [the meaning] is where YOU come in, and become
curator of your own soul and its ultimate course. So if you take a wrong
turn and become a
Bible-thumpin-Jesus-jammin-follow-me-or-go-to-Hell-religious-nutcase,
there's no one to blame but yourself or whatever chemical imbalance you may
suffer from. [OFFER unto, not FORCE UPON... if turned away, 'shake the
dust', scootcha booty down the road and don't look back.]

RELIGION:
1..
1.. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded
as creator and governor of the universe. [The Force]
2.. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and
worship. [Baptists, Catholics, Lutherans, Hare Christna, Jehovah Witnesses,
Wicca's, Palm readers, psychics, et.al.]
2.. The life or condition of a person in a religious order. [Those
consumed with the doctrines/examples/practices mentioned.]
3.. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a
spiritual leader. [Branch Davidians/Jim Jones-ers/Hale Boppers, Benny
Hinn-ers, et.al. Yes, Jesus could go here, but folks usually 'join'
something, get sidetracked by man's law, and negate the purpose. But again,
Jesus wasn't just a 'spiritual leader', he was the Son of God, part of the
Holy Trinity.]
4.. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious
devotion. [TAKE NOTE: Ham radio, Hunting, Skiing, Golf, et.al.]
I don't see God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit in there anywhere..... [Hint: Look
up Christian.]


At any rate, this could go on for days.... and me thinks we are jamming up a
really good place to swap radios, and upsetting the secular order......
sorry for the OT.... Amen, Hallelujah, next topic...

rb





"Carter-K8VT" wrote in message
...
Woody wrote:

Best bet is to know Jesus, stockpile weapons/ammo/food, snip

and then Woody wrote:

Eh? I didn't say anything about religion.

Pardon me for pointing it out, but it seems that you might be
contradicting yourself...

Jesus isn't religion ?????????????????????????????????