Al Klein wrote:
No, you're the one misrepresenting "memorizing answers, as opposed to
memorization per se, is wrong" means "memorizing is evil".

How the heck can someone know that the ohm is the unit
of resistance without memorizing it? How can you possibly
develop Ohm's family name from first principles? I
memorized the ARRL License Manual in the early 1950's
in order to obtain my first two amateur radio licenses.
Memorizing license manuals is absolutely nothing new.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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Al Klein wrote:
No, you're the one misrepresenting "memorizing answers, as opposed to
memorization per se, is wrong" means "memorizing is evil".

How the heck can someone know that the ohm is the unit
of resistance without memorizing it? How can you possibly
develop Ohm's family name from first principles? I
memorized the ARRL License Manual in the early 1950's
in order to obtain my first two amateur radio licenses.
Memorizing license manuals is absolutely nothing new.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

I "may" be going out on a limb here but I THINK I may have figured out what
Al Klein is speaking of - possibly misrepresenting his line of thinking in
the scope of things - thus causing the confusion.

I THINK his idea of memorization or what he is referring to is as such -
lets say you have someone who wants to pass their ham exam. They buy a
manual and instead of reading the damned thing to LEARN the ins and outs of
ham radio, applicable theory, rules, regulations and so on - they simply try
to memorize each answer which is shown as the right answer - merely by A, B,
C or D. Some clown I knew, tried this - he didn't take into account that the
tests were not always in that order - when it came to the answers.

Am I correct Mr. Klein?

lou/ka3flu

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:49:46 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
No, you're the one misrepresenting "memorizing answers, as opposed to
memorization per se, is wrong" means "memorizing is evil".

How the heck can someone know that the ohm is the unit
of resistance without memorizing it?

That's exactly what I mean. You're misrepresenting "memorizing that
the answer to the question about the resistor with the orange band is
10,000 ohms" is the same as "memorizing the color code".

On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:58:19 -0400, "clfe"
wrote:

I THINK his idea of memorization or what he is referring to is as such -
lets say you have someone who wants to pass their ham exam. They buy a
manual and instead of reading the damned thing to LEARN the ins and outs of
ham radio, applicable theory, rules, regulations and so on - they simply try
to memorize each answer which is shown as the right answer - merely by A, B,
C or D. Some clown I knew, tried this - he didn't take into account that the
tests were not always in that order - when it came to the answers.

Am I correct Mr. Klein?

To paraphrase Maxwell Smart, you're thiiiiis close. Substitute "the
correct answer to each question" for "A, B ..." and you've got it.
Some things have to be memorized - you can't, as Cecil tells us,
derive laws from first principles - but there's a difference between
"the answer to the question about the oscillator is the .001ufd
capacitor" and learning the basics of a Twin-T circuit.

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:26:51 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Since memorizing is evil, the Morse code
skill exam should be the first thing to be eliminated.
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Second thing. English has to go first.

Bill, W6WRT

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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:31:37 -0400, "clfe"
wrote:

AND unless that NC tech clarifies it, the unsuspecting
person will go on in ignorance "assuming" ALL hams "know" code.

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Well then, cure the ignorance. Wouldn't that be easier than learning
the code?

Bill, W6WRT

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:31:37 -0400, "clfe"
wrote:

AND unless that NC tech clarifies it, the unsuspecting
person will go on in ignorance "assuming" ALL hams "know" code.

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Well then, cure the ignorance. Wouldn't that be easier than learning
the code?

Bill, W6WRT

I "may" agree with you - in part, but we all know thats not going to happen!
It is a matter of human nature.

clfe wrote:
"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:31:37 -0400, "clfe"
wrote:

AND unless that NC tech clarifies it, the unsuspecting
person will go on in ignorance "assuming" ALL hams "know" code.

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Well then, cure the ignorance. Wouldn't that be easier than learning
the code?

Bill, W6WRT

I "may" agree with you - in part, but we all know thats not going to happen!
It is a matter of human nature.
i don't it was pretty for me one day work on one of these bike races
the served organizers heard the reapteer CW id asked what it read I
said hame were no longer required to be to read them and I could not,
time change ignorance fixed

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On 4 Aug 2006 14:18:12 -0700, "an old freind"
wrote:

i don't it was pretty for me one day work on one of these bike races
the served organizers heard the reapteer CW id asked what it read I
said hame were no longer required to be to read them and I could not,
time change ignorance fixed

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Text like the above is what comes out when I try to copy CW.

Bill, W6WRT
20 WPM Extra, but just barely

Bill Turner wrote:
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On 4 Aug 2006 14:18:12 -0700, "an old freind"
wrote:

i don't it was pretty for me one day work on one of these bike races
the served organizers heard the reapteer CW id asked what it read I
said hame were no longer required to be to read them and I could not,
time change ignorance fixed

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Text like the above is what comes out when I try to copy CW.
can you still read it when you do it

Bill, W6WRT
20 WPM Extra, but just barely